MDL0 Converter: Vertex conversion methods

Roo525 · Jul 23, 2010

Another bit of information needed for the MDL0 exporter patch for blender.

We need any sort of information pertaining to a converter or a conversion script to export the verticies of a file. The guy doing the scripting will take it from here, probobly explaining the situation better...

TCLL5850:

Tcll · Jul 23, 2010

MDL0 importer: Vertex conversion methods

first off is to import...
you keep missing that roo XD

once I finish the importer, I'll work on the exporter

can't export if I don't know how to import XD

Roo525 · Jul 27, 2010

Uhm, Is nobody going to help with what could be the greatest brawl hacking achievement in the history of hacking?!

dark sonic 15 · Jul 27, 2010

i can help what do you need?

Roo525 · Jul 27, 2010

dark sonic 15 said:
i can help what do you need?

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pokelover980 · Jul 27, 2010

Roo525 said:
Uhm, Is nobody going to help with what could be the greatest brawl hacking achievement in the history of hacking?!

It's already been achieved twice, but neither times it was fully functional (the first time it was never released, and the second one we had to compile it ourselves and it didn't have shaders so it couldn't save). Interest in it has also been dying down recently, and more people would seem to think that a Clone Engine would be a better achievement :dizzy:

Anyways, Fortwaffles was the original one to figure out the vertices export method, but I haven't seen him around in a while. You could ask the guy who made DasDonkey Vertex Box how he automated the whole process.

ds22 · Jul 27, 2010

A Clone Engine would indeed be the greatest achievement ever.
With that we would have more slots, which we could later fill with imported models.

JediKnightTemplar · Jul 27, 2010

pokelover980 said:
It's already been achieved twice, but neither times it was fully functional (the first time it was never released, and the second one we had to compile it ourselves and it didn't have shaders so it couldn't save). Interest in it has also been dying down recently, and more people would seem to think that a Clone Engine would be a better achievement

Anyways, Fortwaffles was the original one to figure out the vertices export method, but I haven't seen him around in a while. You could ask the guy who made DasDonkey Vertex Box how he automated the whole process.

That would be Akari_Un and I know he's working on DasDonkey Vertex Box 2.0 right now, though I'm sure he would offer support of some kind to this project.

Roo525 · Jul 27, 2010

ds22 said:
A Clone Engine would indeed be the greatest achievement ever.
With that we would have more slots, which we could later fill with imported models.

TCII has also been working on the clone engine. I'll ask how it's going.

JediKnightTemplar said:
That would be Akari_Un and I know he's working on DasDonkey Vertex Box 2.0 right now, though I'm sure he would offer support of some kind to this project.

Akari_un would probobly be of great help. Can you provide a link to his page so I could PM him?

Tcll · Jul 27, 2010

can someone please explain to me how to import D:

Tcll · Jul 28, 2010

now that I know what you guys mean by "Clone Engine"
or should I say getting separate physx and logic...

now I can say I'm working on it...

it's really the other half of my common data separation project...

ds22 · Jul 28, 2010

Tcll said:
now that I know what you guys mean by "Clone Engine"
or should I say getting separate physx and logic...

now I can say I'm working on it...

it's really the other half of my common data separation project...

I hope you can figure out the Module files for the Clone Engine.

Tcll · Jul 28, 2010

ds22 said:
I hope you can figure out the Module files for the Clone Engine.

believe me...
I've tried D:

but if I had to compair them to anything...
I'd say they're part 2 of the game logic

eg: game scripts...

part 1 would be everything in the pac not relative to models, textures, etc...

'MiscData[0]' = command data (what PSA would use)
and I've still never used PSA... :laugh:

hint: read the strings at the bottom of the file

EDIT:
might want to explain...

the module files are the character files
eg ft_pikachu.rel

I did however notice how the relocation table is at the bottom instead of the top... :/
unlike other brawl files...

ds22 · Jul 28, 2010

Tcll said:
believe me...
I've tried D:

but if I had to compair them to anything...
I'd say they're part 2 of the game logic

eg: game scripts...

part 1 would be everything in the pac not relative to models, textures, etc...

'MiscData[0]' = command data (what PSA would use)
and I've still never used PSA...

hint: read the strings at the bottom of the file

???
You mean the one the the [6] infront of it?
And I know that the ft_(charactername).rel flies are the character module files.
And I even looked into them myself, but I can't find a similarity between the character modules.

Tcll · Jul 28, 2010

sry... should've mentioned I was looking at Pikachu... XD

MiscData[0] = no header string, but lists command referances at the bottom
MiscData[1] = REFF ?? (still no clue yet on how this works)
MiscData[2] = REFT ?? (still no clue yet on how this works)

could anyone explain how the REFF and REFT files work??
unless no-one knows any more than me... :/

Eternal Yoshi · Jul 28, 2010

I don't know much about it.

REFF and REFT are aparrently related to articles and external Graphic effects.

Tcll · Jul 28, 2010

well I've figured out MiscData[0] can be called MiscData[0].cmd
it deals with the command constraints... or put simply as:
when you press 'this button', do 'this action' (simple)
when you press 'this button', do 'this action' with 'these settings' (advanced)

if you've ever played around with MUGEN, you'll know what I'm talking about...
the .rel file is like a .st (script) file... (mugen)

I've documented a little about that on my old site:
http://smashbrosfiles.blogspot.com

ds22 · Jul 28, 2010

Never played Mugen, so I wouldn't know.

Tcll · Jul 28, 2010

ds22 said:
Never played Mugen, so I wouldn't know.

heh...
well...
mugen is so similar to SSBB it's not funny D:
it almost has the exact layout... (for characters anyways)

ds22 · Jul 28, 2010

.st files are renamed .cns files, right?
Because if that is true then I don't know how it is similar to .rel (module) files.

Eternal Yoshi · Jul 28, 2010

Code:

 REFF

Offset
0x00  - REFF Identifier
0x08  - File size
0x10  - REFF Identifier(Again) 
0x14  - File size(This always points to the offset 18 bytes before the end of the file)
0x25  - Number of letters in Character's debug name plus null byte
0x28 - Start of Character's Debug Name

That is part of the header. The rest of the offsets seem to vary because of the character name.

Tcll · Jul 28, 2010

ds22 said:
.st files are renamed .cns files, right?
Because if that is true then I don't know how it is similar to .rel (module) files.

no...
well not really...
(alot of chars yes)

cns stands for constants (width, height, weight, etc...)
st stands for states... (the script code)

the rel files are similar to the state files in terms of programming...
the rel files to exactly what the state files do... (just in completely differant formats)

ds22 · Jul 28, 2010

You lost me, sorry.
Anyway, you couldn't get any wiser with the .rel files?

Tcll · Jul 28, 2010

I know...
you've never played it...
so you don't know...

kinda tough to explain it at that... <:/

eh..heh...
what exactly do you mean...
the question mark throws me off...

ds22 · Jul 28, 2010

I thought that you tried to go to the character .rel files in order to find a way to get them modifiable as stage .rel's.

Tcll · Jul 28, 2010

I want to...
but I don't even have that documented on my list of projects yet :3

ds22 · Aug 3, 2010

Tcll said:
I want to...
but I don't even have that documented on my list of projects yet :3

Could you put it on your list then?
Also, how is your importer coming along?

Tcll · Aug 3, 2010

ds22 said:
Also, how is your importer coming along?

I'd post if I made any progress =3=

ds22 said:
Could you put it on your list then?

fine...
but I most likely won't be touching it for a while...

ds22 · Aug 3, 2010

Tcll said:
I'd post if I made any progress =3=

Well ok.

Tcll said:
fine...
but I most likely won't be touching it for a while...

Alright then (although it is probably more needed than the importer right now).

Tcll · Aug 3, 2010

ds22 said:
Well ok.

Alright then (although it is probably more needed than the importer right now).

not with what I'm going through...
I NEED the importer...

ds22 · Aug 3, 2010

I also need it, but I think that, when the character modules have been figured out and achieve a code similar to the stage expention code, we would have more room for imports.

Tcll · Aug 3, 2010

ds22 said:
I also need it, but I think that, when the character modules have been figured out and achieve a code similar to the stage expention code, we would have more room for imports.

true...
and granted we do need that...
but I havn't researched into it that much...

ds22 · Aug 3, 2010

And with that we could have Mewtwo officially in Project M.
But it's ok, take your time and do what you think is best (Project M won't be released for a long time).

Tcll · Aug 3, 2010

I'm gonna use my importer/exporter to get Pichu in brawl...
I miss him soo bad
but I really need it for my video...

and yea...
that would officially put any malee char in...

ds22 · Aug 3, 2010

Alright then. (but still nothing on the importer/exporter?)

Tcll · Aug 3, 2010

anyone care to help??

Tcll · Aug 4, 2010

can anyone tell me how this class works??

Code:

class Vec3 {
public:
 Vec3() {
  this->x = 0;
  this->y = 0;
  this->z = 0;
 }
 Vec3(float x, float y, float z) {
  this->x = x;
  this->y = y;
  this->z = z;
 }
 float X() {
  return x;
 }
 float Y() {
  return y;
 }
 float Z() {
  return z;
 }
protected:
 float x;
 float y;
 float z;
};

I soo wish I could read C++ ;_;

Tcll · Aug 4, 2010

off topic:

does anyone have any note on rewriting C/C++ programs in Python??
google and bing give me the exact opposite and I've got a headache from searching...

Tcll · Aug 21, 2010

hey ds22

here's some notes I figured out about rel files in general:

note: the animations can be controlled by the logic or the scripts…
(PSA or REL)

think about this in blender…
(if you need an image, let me know)
where by the PSA is the logic (blender logic editor), and the REL files are like python scripts in blender.
the scripts are an addition to the logic…
telling the logic to play an animation based on a selection or whatever you tell the script to do…
make sence

so rel files are similar to py files... just in a differant format

here’s proof of me being a game developer

I know what the files do...
I just don't know how to go about reading them...

ds22 · Aug 25, 2010

Tcll said:
hey ds22

here's some notes I figured out about rel files in general:

note: the animations can be controlled by the logic or the scripts…
(PSA or REL)

think about this in blender…
(if you need an image, let me know)
where by the PSA is the logic (blender logic editor), and the REL files are like python scripts in blender.
the scripts are an addition to the logic…
telling the logic to play an animation based on a selection or whatever you tell the script to do…
make sence

so rel files are similar to py files... just in a differant format

here’s proof of me being a game developer

I know what the files do...
I just don't know how to go about reading them...

Makes sense (I think).
If only it could be read...

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