All the right moves in all the wrong places.(Disjointed hitbox explanations)

Zatchiel · Aug 10, 2010

We've all had our fair share of encounters with attacks that have some fairly distinct disjoints that apply to them.
To begin, what is a disjoint?

Disjoint: An attacking "Red" hitbubble that is not attached to a vulnerable "Yellow" hitbubble. The Disjoint can be attacked, but the opponent will not sustain damage to the attacked region.
Examples of said hitboxes can be found easily by most Swordplay Characters, such as Marth, Ike, or Meta-Knight
Advantages:
-You cannot recieve damage when you are attacked in the area containing the disjoint, in the frames of the attack, that is.
-An attack containing a disjoint is normally a very good move in general, since it can add to the spacing game of most characters.
-You can attack enemies out of range with a longer ranged attack, which can also contribute to a character's spacing game.

Example: 2 characters stand before a Exploding Capsule: Snake and Mario.

Snake uses his Up Tilt (Long disjoint) to destroy the container. He does not sustain damage or knockback.
Mario, on the other hand, is caught in the explosion, and receives the normal amount of damage and knockback.

Snake's Up Tilt disjoint keeps him from being hit by the explosion(With the appropriate spacing, that is)
As Mario's Forward Smash, carrying him forward, does not.

Below is a list of every character in the Brawl series. Along with these characters, i am looking to add a list of disjointed moves held by each character.
Hope to fill this list up soon, please contribute!

Up tilt
Forward Tilt
All Specials

Bananas

Lasers
Reflector

Everything. Save for Grabs.

Thunder Jolt
Thunder
Forward Smash

Usmash
Fsmash
Dsmash
Grab
Uair
Fair
Dair
Bair
Tether
Pikmin Throw

Everything except Dash Attack, Double Team, and Extremespeed

Back Air
Forward Air
Down Tilt
Forward Tilt
Down Smash
Forward Smash
Up Tilt

Arrows

Everything.

Plasma Whip
Plasma Wire
Paralyzer
Forward Smash
Up Smash
Neutral Air
Grab

Back Air
Down Tilt

Robo Beam
Gyro
Forward Smash

Hand Slap

Turnips
Up Tilt
Forward Smash(Golf Club)
Peach Parasol

Lasers

Fireballs

Blaster

:shiek: Needles
Chain

A.

B

C

Up Air

PK Fire
PK Thunder
PK Flash
Forward Smash(Tipped)
Up Smash
Down Smash

Fire Breath

Down Smash
Up Smash
Grab

Grab

Fireballs
F.L.U.D.D
Up Tilt (I think it had a slight one)

Up Tilt

Zair
All specials, save for Screw attack.
Dair

Down Smash
Standard A
Nayru's Love
Din's Fire

Arrows
Bombs
Boomerang
Zair
All Tilts
All Smashes
Forward Air
Up Air
Down Air

Up Tilt
Fsmash

Budget Player Cadet_ · Aug 11, 2010

Have you searched for this thread? I'm pretty sure someone did something like this at some point... But decent thread. Jiggs has no disjointed hitboxes; DK has only DownB.

Chsal · Aug 11, 2010

Toon Link :
Everything, unless projectiles don't count.

Captain Falcon :
Nothing D=.

-Vocal- · Aug 11, 2010

I like the idea Lucas

I'm not entirely sure how useful it would to be more experienced players, but this seems aimed more at new members anyways so it may be quite useful. I can give you Olimar's:

Usmash
Fsmash
Dsmash
Grab (entirely disconnected from Olimar)
Uair
Fair
Dair
Bair
Tether (UpB)
Pikmin Throw (SideB)

Pretty sure I didn't miss anything, hope the thread goes well

Rialdospaldacht · Aug 11, 2010

I know Ganondorf's up tilt has a massive one, and his forward smash has a slight one.

UberMario · Aug 11, 2010

Yoshi's tongue is disjointed, it can even pierce Mach Tornado, also, I'm not sure if this counts or not, but if Captain Falcon uses side b, it can provide immunity to many projectiles, including Pit's arrows and I THINK Falco's lasers, but it's not invincibility in a sense because he can still be attacked with a physical move. Lucas' DSmash and USmash have decent-sized disjointed boxes aswell, as do many of Mr. Game & Watch's attacks.

Zatchiel · Aug 11, 2010

Budget Player Cadet_ said:
Have you searched for this thread? I'm pretty sure someone did something like this at some point... But decent thread. Jiggs has no disjointed hitboxes; DK has only DownB.

I'm afraid i didn't search for a thread of this nature in the Brawl sub-forum, but thanks for the info.

Chsal said:
Toon Link :
Everything, unless projectiles don't count.

Captain Falcon :
Nothing D=.

I've heard about Falcon's Up tilt having a slight disjoint before, so i'll just add that until further notice.
Added your Toon Link submission.

-Vocal- said:
I like the idea Lucas

I'm not entirely sure how useful it would to be more experienced players, but this seems aimed more at new members anyways so it may be quite useful. I can give you Olimar's:

Usmash
Fsmash
Dsmash
Grab (entirely disconnected from Olimar)
Uair
Fair
Dair
Bair
Tether (UpB)
Pikmin Throw (SideB)

Pretty sure I didn't miss anything, hope the thread goes well

Added.

Rialdospaldacht said:
I know Ganondorf's up tilt has a massive one, and his forward smash has a slight one.

Also added

UberMario said:
Yoshi's tongue is disjointed, it can even pierce Mach Tornado, also, I'm not sure if this counts or not, but if Captain Falcon uses side b, it can provide immunity to many projectiles, including Pit's arrows and I THINK Falco's lasers, but it's not invincibility in a sense because he can still be attacked with a physical move. Lucas' DSmash and USmash have decent-sized disjointed boxes aswell, as do many of Mr. Game & Watch's attacks.

Not sure if it can be called a disjoint since RB has ZERO priority until it hits something. I'll wait for confirmation on that one, but everything else has been added.

John12346 · Aug 13, 2010

Lucario: Everything except Dash Attack, Double Team, and Extremespeed

Zatchiel · Aug 14, 2010

John12346 said:
Lucario: Everything except Dash Attack, Double Team, and Extremespeed

Added your submission.
Still accepting entries.

UberMario · Aug 15, 2010

Projectiles really shouldn't be considered disjointed hitboxes imo.

(BTW, how did you remember Luigi's fireballs but not Mario's?)

Dedede's hammer is disjointed. (Pretty much every land move except his dash attack and some grabs involve the hammer, as do several aerials) Kirby's Final Cutter has a disjointed hitbox too, as does his hammer.

AyatoK26 · Aug 19, 2010

Zelda's D-smash is considered disjointed? I don't how that is the case. Please explain.

As for moves to add:

Mr. G&W : F-smash, u-tilt (not sure if we could include Oil Panic due to it needing energy projectiles to work)

Peach: Parasol (up-b)

Zelda: Din's Fire (side-b)

Nice list btw.

-Vocal- · Aug 19, 2010

AyatoK26 said:
Zelda's D-smash is considered disjointed? I don't how that is the case. Please explain.

As for moves to add:

Mr. G&W : F-smash, u-tilt (not sure if we could include Oil Panic due to it needing energy projectiles to work)

Peach: Parasol (up-b)

Zelda: Din's Fire (side-b)

Nice list btw.

You forgot Zelda's fsmash and uair and a slight disjoint on her neutral B

Zatchiel · Aug 19, 2010

AyatoK26 said:
Zelda's D-smash is considered disjointed? I don't how that is the case. Please explain.

As for moves to add:

Mr. G&W : F-smash, u-tilt (not sure if we could include Oil Panic due to it needing energy projectiles to work)

Peach: Parasol (up-b)

Zelda: Din's Fire (side-b)

Nice list btw.

Zelda is able to hit a bomb in front of her with this move without taking any damage, due to the disjointed hitbox.

If you want more explanation, consult the person who wrote that. I'm just the messager.
Added your submission, though

Thank you.

All the right moves in all the wrong places.(Disjointed hitbox explanations)

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