MaskedAvnger
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Matchup Discussion: Peach
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puerto ricoooooooooooooooooooootl wrecks peach on fd; jash two stocked me pretty hard. I was beating him on battlefield and had a stock lead without that much damage, but alex strife pulled the plug on the match and we didn't get to play again.
Chip usually beat me back when we used to play; i played with jerm a bunch, he won the first few friendlies, then i was winning most of the rest after that.
I dunno. It's definitely in tl's favor imo, but probably just 55-45 as long as fd isn't in play. Peach should ban fd...counterpick to high ceilings?
also, chip is the best tl
Bair's overrated in this MU, Peach's bair outspaces it very easily- it moves her hitbox quite a bit. Same way we space Marth's fair- with our back to him. Still a good move though.Bair stops a lot of her aerial approaches
and his bair beats like eveything they even beat the turnips, and peach gets juggled by toonlinks projectiles a lot.
And if she recovers to the ledge you can zair edge hog her recovery if you time it right.
I think the matchup is easily 60-40 maybe more in tls favor.
If Peach floats just a little bit higher than usual Zair becomes useless. It means that you have to use it high up so it does AC into anything and it's sometimes punishable on hit.yeah this is either 55-45 or 60-40 in toon`s favor because we can easily outcamp her. we also destroy floating with things like zair. what she does have is some very quick moves and such that allows her to have advantage up close. One thing that you have to remember is that if u have a peach that loves turnips and its a camp-fest, those specialty items will come out most likely. watch out for them.
for higher floating sure it isn't going to work but i guess what i meant more so was shutting down short hopped floating. that is a good stategy for peach normally but not against Toon Link. so i mean in certain situationals its excellent is all.If Peach floats just a little bit higher than usual Zair becomes useless. It means that you have to use it high up so it does AC into anything and it's sometimes punishable on hit.
yea it seems we all agree. but are we deciding on 55-45 or 60-40 ??i gotta say its 55-45 tl mayb 60-40 it seems we all agree lol
*Facepalm.yea it seems we all agree. but are we deciding on 55-45 or 60-40 ??
just based on projectiles its like 80-20 for TL
air game is like 60-40 for tl because hit air moves come out faster on average and can be used to space well.
Groud game is probably 50-50 although TL has slightly higher killing power, peach cant match that killing power with her Usmash(which is unreliable cause the sweetspot is almost directly above her like marth's) and her Fsmash is all situational , her only real killing mvoe is Fair Uair at high % and maybe Fsmash and Bair but Bair is usually decayed.
are they the same weight? if so its in TL's favor since his Usmash, Utilt and Fair can easily kill at that weight.
so 55-45 or 60-40XD?
Peach 55:45: Not a bad MU. Don’t let the hand come down on you (AKA, run).
Things to keep in mind:
-Try to keep peach away from you as much as possible. She beats us up close.
-Instant throw the turnips back if you are not too close to peach. Even if you mess up the timing, zair will come out and it will cancel the turnip and you have a chance of hitting peach as well.
-Be careful about using aerials in this MU (Except up air). Peach’s fair comes out faster than our fair and if peach spaces her fair well, she will hit us before we can land nair or we will trade hits. Bair helps protect toonlink from peach’s aerials (as long as you are retreating with it).
-Zair: Zair is pretty underrated in this MU. It grounds peach immediately.
Kill Moves:
-Uair: Peach’s air dodge is terrible. Abuse it.
-Fair
-Up Smash
-Up Tilt
Stages:
Any stage that gives you enough room to get away from peach:
FD, SV, PS1, Halberd.
Ban: Yoshi’s Island or Brinstar.
Why facepalm??XD*Facepalm.
You say this as if you are surprisedActually shadow is right. Bair strings **** peach, and outspaces peach's nair so even if she DI's, it shouldnt hit you.. Besides, most people try to DI out of bair strings.