Falcon's Moveset In-Depth Analysis: Week 2 - Falcon F-Tilt

Falcon's jab is a major part of his metagame. Its fast, combos, and has excellent priority.


Damages
Jab1 [Hits on Frame 3]- 3-5%
Jab2 [Hits on Frame 5]- 2-3%
Gentlemen [Hits on Frame 6]- 5-7%
MultiJab [Hits on Frame 3-4, 9-10, 16-17, 22-23, 28-29] - Usually 8% before they break free


Falcon's jab can be utilized in many ways:
Jab -> Jab2 -> Grab -> Pummelx1 -> Fthrow/Dthrow = 13-16%
Jab -> Jab2 -> F-tilt = 15%
Jab -> Jab2 -> Gentleman = 10%
Jab -> Jab2 -> Falcon Dive = 20-23%

Some techniques:

Jab Cancel

Tap A, then move the control stick down (without pressing A), then repeat. Good for racking damage against an unsuspecting foe. Works great on fastfallers.

[collapse="Jab Cancel Info"]Click to see Jab Cancel Example

teluoborg said:

Jab cancel mechanism :
Tap A then down then repeat, by doing that you buffer a crouch out of your jab and cancel the crouching animation with a jab. So basically you can jab cancel into everything.

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The Gentlemen's Walk

Hold A until the Gentleman hits, then quickly move the control stick down, and repeat. Similar to the Jab cancel but it involves the first three moves. Try your best to avoid the Multi-jab because its really punishable. The Gentlemen's Walk itself is pretty risky, but its surprise factor should give you enough time to rack up some damage.

[collapse="Gentleman's Walk Info"]Click to see The Gentlemen's Walk Example

Luxor said:

Jab3-->Jab1 comes out 2 frames slower than shielding which happens a RIDICULOUSLY long time after Jab3 anyway. I highly, highly doubt that Jab3 true comboes into Jab1 on any character at any percent. MAYBE Bowser at like 100%+. For Jab3 to link to Jab1, Jab3 would have to add 13 frames of hitstun and no additional knockback, which I don't see happening.

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Projectiles that Falcon's Jab cancels
Note: Jab only protects Falcon where the hitbox extends to, so his feet and head are vunderable
Tested on FD, no Training mode, and directed to hit Falcon's hitbox.
The best way to counter these projectiles is to do Falcon's rapid jabs (hold A)
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=Mario/Luigi
Fireball - Yes
FLUDD - Yes, but not consistantly (cancels the intial push but the rest of the water still pushes Falcon)

=Peach
Turnip - Yes, except for the stitched-face turnip and items

=Bowser
FireBreath - Yes, but not consistantly

=Diddy Kong
Peanuts - Yes

=Yoshi
Eggs - No

=Wario
Bike - Yes
Bike Parts - Yes

=Link/Toon Link
Arrows - Yes
Bombs - No
Boomerang - Yes

=Zelda/Sheik :shiek:
Din's Fire - Yes, but strict timing
Needles - No
Chain - No

=Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Homing Rockets - Yes
Fast Rockets - Yes
Charged Shot - Yes, but not after its been charged for more than 3 sec (about half way its max)
Paralyzer Shot - Yes, even fully charged
Suit Pieces - Yes

=Pit
Arrows - Yes, but the arrows can curve to your vunderable spots

=Ice Climbers
Ice Bricks - Yes, before they melt small enough to hit Falcon
Blizzard - No

=ROB
Gyro Spinner - Yes, but not fully charged
Gyro SPinner (thrown) - Yes
Laser Beam - No

=Kirby
Star Cutter - No

=Dedede
Waddle Dees- Yes
Waddle Doos - Yes
Gordos - No

=Olimar
Pikmin Toss - Yes

=Fox/Falco/Wolf
Laser - No

=Pikachu
Thunder Jolt - Yes
Thunder - No

=Pokemon Trainer
Razor Leaf - Yes
Bullet Seed - No
Firebreath - Yes, but not consistantly
Rock Smash - Yes, but not consistantly
Watergun - Yes, just like FLUDD

=Lucario
AuraSphere - Yes, even fully charged
AuraSphere (Maximum Aura Power @ 180%) - No

=Ness/Lucas
PK Fire - No
PK Thunder - Yes
PK Flash - No
Yoyo Smashes - Yes
PK Freeze - No
PK Magnet - No

=Sonic
Spring - Yes

=Snake
Nikita - Yes, unless its deactivated while you hit it
Grenade - Yes, before it explodes
Mortar - Yes
C4 - No
Landmine - No

=Game&Watch
Frying Pan Food Toss of Randomness - Yes
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This move has sufficent range to compliment a Jab combo. It is also useful in getting your opponent out of the way as a "gtfo" move. It is really underutilized by many Falcons as most Falcons prefer utilt, or uair. It is also Falcon's fastest tilt.


Origins (just for lawls)
During one of Captain Falcon's bounty missions in Texas, he came across Texan Ranger Chuck Norris who was also looking for the same criminal. Norris was able to capture the criminal before Falcon got to the scene but he challenged Falcon to a match for the fugitive. They both fought for many hours but after the third day Norris finally unleashed his ultimate move: The Texan Roundhouse Kick. Falcon was able to withstand the move with his mighty nipples and attempted his own modified version of the move: The Falcon Slaughterhouse Kick. Chuck Norris was crippled and Falcon got his million space credits. Da End.

Damages
The lower the F-tilt, the less knockback it produces

F-tilt (upwards) [Hits on Frame 9] - 8-12%, Kills at 170%, 210% with proper DI (tested in VS mode, middle of FD)
F-tilt (normal) [Hits on Frame 9] - 8-10%
F-tilt (downwards) [Hits on Frame 9] - 8-10%

*Note that up-and-down angled Ftilt have IASA Frame 32. This means they have less ending lag than the normal f-tilt.*

Some techniques:

The Bouncer Combo

In lower percentages, the downward f-tilt can combo into itself. Good for racking damage against fast fallers. You can probably get around 2 hits, or 4 if you're manly enough.
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If you have anything to add here, feel free to contribute.

Reserved for Aerials/Smashes

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I approve, are we supposed to be discussing something though?

It's worth putting in that Jab 1 gives you a +6 frame advantage and Jab 2 gives you a +7 advantage. I wouldn't recommend "The Gentleman Walk" because you can get punished for it easily since Jab 3 gives you negative frame advantage. Percent/Character pending of course.

well, you can discuss what works and what doesn't with jabs
jab follow-ups, and
which moves does jab cancels (I will test Falcon's jab vs Bowser's UpB later)

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo *echo*

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205278

Among others.
Though I didnt have the fancy slow gif

The key to jab cancels is mixing it up. Like Teluo said aside from Jab-Jab-Regrab, try Jab-Jab-Shield or Jab-Jab-SH Knee (because they will almost always try to grab you).

the most important part about jabs is don't try to force anything out of them

aka

don't purposely attempt to jab

only use it when there's an opening

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo *echo*

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205278

Among others.
Though I didnt have the fancy slow gif

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The reason I made this is because I wanted to revise our opinions about Falcon's moves since most of those threads were created when Falcon was seen as the absolute worst character in the game. That is not so Today.

teluoborg said:

YESZ.

Other things you might add :

Jab cancel mechanism :
Tap A then down then repeat, by doing that you buffer a crouch out of your jab and cancel the crouching animation with a jab. So basically you can jab cancel into everything.

Also jab jab shield. Works wonder great against combobreakers such as Luigi's Nair or Marth's Up B.

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I never thought of using shield. lol nice

Player-3 said:

the most important part about jabs is don't try to force anything out of them

aka

don't purposely attempt to jab

only use it when there's an opening

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I think that goes for any of Falcon's move or any other character like Falco and his chaingrab


I personally like to hit with jabs twice before I attempt a grab and such.
What do you guys think?
2 jabs better than 1? lol

Also, Jab cancels Bowser's fortress and beats it in its later hitboxes.
Discuss.

It's really weird and doesn't make sense. The best way I can explain it is that Falcon's Jab sequence has a special timer, the end of which can be reached by doing at least two Jabs and delaying the sequence, and when you reach that timer after doing Jab3, it loops back into Jab1 instead of rapid Jabs.

I do it by holding the A button until Jab3 and delaying. Another way to do it is by doing two Jabs, waiting, and then holding the A button.

what i like about falcon's jab is that because you can cancel it, you can lead it into multiple strings of Jab only hits- most people wont guess that youre going to hit them with multiple gentlemens. Most people ive played think im going to spam Jab, but i gentlemen, walk (they di away from falcon) gentleman rinse repeat

the most damage ive ever gotten from a jab only string was like... ~30%?

slader7 said:

The reason I made this is because I wanted to revise our opinions about Falcon's moves since most of those threads were created when Falcon was seen as the absolute worst character in the game. That is not so Today.

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..Falcon's moves didnt change since then. =P

I approve.

There is also Falcon's Jab 2 Cancel.

teluoborg said:

The uses are different though.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205278

"The uses of Knee :
1-as an approach"

Like, srsly 2008 is two years ago. I admit that Falcon's metagame is stale, but not to that extent.

Now please stop being unproductive and keep the trolling to social.

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Editing old thread>new thread.

Now stop beeing a silly goose in denial

I don't think 2Knee understands the process of "Metagame Development" and yes there has been some since '08.

lordhelmet said:

I don't think 2Knee understands the process of "Metagame Development" and yes there has been some since '08.

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Thats why I said Edit old thread>new thread.

Thats what all you guys always said to me.

teluoborg said:

Nope.
That's your point of view. Which is biased because you made the old threads.
And now I'm just gonna ignore your posts again, hope you're happy :/

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Its your own words.
And I'm not biased, lol. I hate having to run a thread

And yes I'm quite happy. Thanks.

lordhelmet said:

I don't think 2Knee understands the process of "Metagame Development" and yes there has been some since '08.

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2Knee IS the Falcon Metagame Development.

Any notion to deny this is stupid.

Ramzeh said:

2Knee IS the Falcon Metagame Development.

Any notion to deny this is stupid.

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I openly deny this.

lordhelmet said:

I openly deny this.

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Then you are stupid.

2Knee you always ruin my already bad jokes

I'm collecting data for Falcon's F-tilt but theres not much use for it

What new data is there to collect?

It's cool that jab->ftilt is almost a true combo though

One key information about f-tilt is that it's faster if you attack in an angle.

Other than that... heh... fine for spacing, clashes with stuff?

lordhelmet said:

2Knee you always ruin my already bad jokes

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Thats what I do

Are we gonna be discussing other moves? You pretty much got everything about Jab so there's not much more to discuss unless I get the frame advantage on other characters/percents.

This reminds me, is anyone willing to make a new Stage Discussion thread?

Updated with F-tilt stuff
not much to discuss about this move since it really just serves one purpose

F-Tilt isn't that bad of a move.
-Upward and downward have less cooldown time.
-It can be used on floaty characters after a FH-Nair.
-Proper timing, it can hit through MK's Tornado.
-Good range for spacing, but inferior to Utilt.

F-tilt is an amazing anti-air and a below average poke. And it can be comboed into and used as a high percent KO move.

All in all I think it's a very useful move. Especially for anti-airs. It's vertical range is huge and 9ish frame startup and low ending lag makes it a good move for reacting to jumps with.

Also, nobody seems to remember its real name: the Bouncer kick

Ramzeh said:

2Knee IS the Falcon Metagame Development.

Any notion to deny this is stupid.

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he is the only one who comes out with stuff to possibly use in matches. Everyone else just says "UZZZZZ MORE UP AIR". Not that they are wrong but.....

lordhelmet and darky-sama have been trying, though.

UZZZZZ MORE UP AIR

Serious. Falcon's best move.

Shield is Falcon's best move.

Seriously though, Uair probably is Falcon's best move. Grab, Uair, Bair and Utilt are a 5/5.

Darky-Sama said:

Shield is Falcon's best move.

Seriously though, Uair probably is Falcon's best move. Grab, Uair, Bair and Utilt are a 5/5.

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lawl, no jab?