Luxor
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Wheee my SJR writeup.
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Smash Lab: Techs and Missed Techs, Everything You Need To Know added
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That is really cool. Hmm... what if you added that to other specials, or aerials? I smell a B- idea...
deepseadiva
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You people need to figure out tele-smashing already.
The Olimar exclusive AT that allows thrown Pikmin to do smashes from across FD! It exists! It has to!
The Olimar exclusive AT that allows thrown Pikmin to do smashes from across FD! It exists! It has to!
Budget Player Cadet_
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I think TSON (namesearch? [TSON] The Silence of No one TheSilenceOfNoOne etc.) figured that one out a while ago for Brawl-... Or at least, found out how to replicate it.
Luxor
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Vids or it doesn't happen 
rPSIvysaur
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Man, I just got in the B- Broom and this an idea I wanted to do.
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Very nice. I only skimmed through, but I can't wait to do an intensive read and follow-up study.
bigman40
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This has been known for a while (Yoshi's knew at least anyways). Good expand on it though.
humble
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Good write up, even if some people already knew about it, it's good to clarify for everyone. I look forward to all the interesting insights and information that is sure to come from this thread.
The Truth!
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Good job guys.
Btw Im almost certain QAC applies the same mechanic.
Btw Im almost certain QAC applies the same mechanic.
Luxor
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It was never meant to be a new tech discovery, just an insight into how it works.
And this thread is going to have ALL completed Smash Lab projects in it; mine just happened to be the first. There WILL be updates and expositions on every mechanic, tech, and process under the sun in here, so stay tuned!
And no, QAC does not work the same. It just allows you to jump out of its landing. More or less the same effect, though, which is what I think you meant.
And this thread is going to have ALL completed Smash Lab projects in it; mine just happened to be the first. There WILL be updates and expositions on every mechanic, tech, and process under the sun in here, so stay tuned!
And no, QAC does not work the same. It just allows you to jump out of its landing. More or less the same effect, though, which is what I think you meant.
rPSIvysaur
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Airwalk, SCAC and ALFC Mechanics have been added.
We will talk with InnocentRoads about this ASAP.
saviorslegacy
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcrtM_e89Nc
Sheik can also do the ledge cancel fall thing.... and it comes with a bit more tricks.
Sheik can also do the ledge cancel fall thing.... and it comes with a bit more tricks.
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This stuff is old... or at least, with me. They're all variations of Nuritake Step and shield drop.
To do the grenade thing in the beginning: pull out a nade, hold b, then tap down, then flick shield and release b, all in quick succession.
To do the run cancel into X move(nuritake step): you dash, then as the dash ends and run starts, you turn around and buffer crouch. Or something to that effect. Mess around with it in training; it's not too hard.
The item pickups/attacks were Nuritake step derivatives I assume.
As for Samus/Mario's charge cancels into drops/pickups/attacks... my best guess is that you shield drop them and buffer airdodge. A janky combination of shield drop and snake's grenade tricksy.
Iirc, Sonic can hold shield in his spindash/shot/w/e to land and pull out shield around frame 1, then you just stick tilt into the equation as you land to drop.
saviorslegacy
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It is easy to do nuritake step with Snake. Start with him and work to you normal character (unless you main Snake). Indigo is correct on how it is done. Simply dash and at the end of the animation turn and buffer a crouch. You can repeat it over and go forward or you can do it backwards to retreat. You can also do a true pivot for short distance. The exacution is the same except you turn at the beginning of the dash animation and do not crouch.
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TheMike is collecting the hitbubble .pacs for every character. Once we have them all we'll probably go back and fix the scaling issues, using AMKalmar's method detailed in that one thread.
The Truth!
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Could you put up videos of some of the new stuff? Just to show what it is.
This is true. Just pause the video repeatedly during the moments Snake pulls out a grenade until he shields. You'll see a shadow of him going down the platform (apparently its like 1 frame, or something around that regard), then him throwing the grenade (release B) then shielding to remain on the platform (which causes Snake to airdodge so he grabs the grenade, but since he's still over the platform he lands immediately into a shield. Now he has a grenade in hand).
The other stuff.... Never got around to checking it out.
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B.A.M.
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Yeah you are right on that stuff Indigo. Susa was doing that stuff back in the day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbONIt0wl1I from a 1:00 onward.
now i had a quick question. I am able to true pivot however i didnt know you can cancel dash while still facing forward via narikate step. Is it only possible with characters with a crawl? Could someone explain this tech more to me?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbONIt0wl1I from a 1:00 onward.
now i had a quick question. I am able to true pivot however i didnt know you can cancel dash while still facing forward via narikate step. Is it only possible with characters with a crawl? Could someone explain this tech more to me?
saviorslegacy
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Here are my contributions to the smash lab:
An explanation of the Small Pivot- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MjARH1GVl4
(and) how to perform the Nuritake Step- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSGUel12xYU
I've already found some combo's with Sheik that have to deal with the Nuritake Step.
They are hard to perform, but the ability to dash into a f-tilt or u-tilt makes it very useful.
As far as spacing goes, I don't see how this is terribly useful. It provides safer approaches for some characters though because it allows them to pretty much do anything they want out of a dash. I cancel my run with a shield and then perform a Nuritake Step and end it with a jab. It is safer than DA and it is almost impossible to punish Sheik's jab.
As for the small pivot.....
It is very hard to use. When I have use it successfully it was used to punish. I would Small Pivot to the right or left and use jab or DA. This allowed me to move out of the way of danger and then punish.
Nuritake Step is defiantly under rated though, and easier to perform that what you would think. Start with Snake and follow the video's instructions. I can't do it at 1/4 speed because I perform the combination to quickly. So I started at 1/2 speed and worked my way to normal. To bad Sheiks is very hard to perform.
Let me know if anyone needs any help.
An explanation of the Small Pivot- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MjARH1GVl4
(and) how to perform the Nuritake Step- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSGUel12xYU
I've already found some combo's with Sheik that have to deal with the Nuritake Step.
They are hard to perform, but the ability to dash into a f-tilt or u-tilt makes it very useful.
As far as spacing goes, I don't see how this is terribly useful. It provides safer approaches for some characters though because it allows them to pretty much do anything they want out of a dash. I cancel my run with a shield and then perform a Nuritake Step and end it with a jab. It is safer than DA and it is almost impossible to punish Sheik's jab.
As for the small pivot.....
It is very hard to use. When I have use it successfully it was used to punish. I would Small Pivot to the right or left and use jab or DA. This allowed me to move out of the way of danger and then punish.
Nuritake Step is defiantly under rated though, and easier to perform that what you would think. Start with Snake and follow the video's instructions. I can't do it at 1/4 speed because I perform the combination to quickly. So I started at 1/2 speed and worked my way to normal. To bad Sheiks is very hard to perform.
Let me know if anyone needs any help.
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Savior, the videos apparently aren't available. :/
And as far as Nuritake Stepping so you stay facing forward, I'm going to be honest, I don't know. Er... I was thinking buffer pivot, buffer in the opposite direction, then crouch, but it doesn't seem like it would make sense.
Maybe crawl is what enables it; buffer crawl instead so that you pivot as you stand up? Idk.
And as far as Nuritake Stepping so you stay facing forward, I'm going to be honest, I don't know. Er... I was thinking buffer pivot, buffer in the opposite direction, then crouch, but it doesn't seem like it would make sense.
Maybe crawl is what enables it; buffer crawl instead so that you pivot as you stand up? Idk.
saviorslegacy
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Both videos have views on them and one has comments. IDK how to help you.
I have a theory on the turning around bit.
It has to deal with when you buffered the pivot. Lets say you buffer the pivot, buffer crouch very very very quickly and then buffer an attack. You will turn around and attack.
Now if you dash, buffer a pivot, buffer a crouch very very quickly and then buffer an attack you will not turn around.
It works for me, so I'll go with that.
It is so similar that as of right now I cannot choose to do one or the other. I either fail or RNDMLY do one. It seems easier to do it in the reverse direction, so I'll just say that I'm doing it to fast.
Since all momentum has been canceled when performing this tech I do not think that crawling has anything to do with it.
Dantarion
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your SJR thing is wrong in explanation.
What happens is that the two Change Actions happen at the same time
You ARE on the ground, and the Animation is over.
The Change Action to fall triggers first, and the game puts you into Fall on the next frame. Before the game checks to see if you landed, it checks to see if you have hit jump, and then it lets you jump. Switching the two change actions in Fighter.pac would most likely fix t the glitch.
What happens is that the two Change Actions happen at the same time
You ARE on the ground, and the Animation is over.
The Change Action to fall triggers first, and the game puts you into Fall on the next frame. Before the game checks to see if you landed, it checks to see if you have hit jump, and then it lets you jump. Switching the two change actions in Fighter.pac would most likely fix t the glitch.
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rPSI was supposed to update the lists.
And Attack Land Fall Cancel is the technical name, duh
And Attack Land Fall Cancel is the technical name, duh
in Brawl it would even be "Special Land Fall Cancel" because it's occurs only with specials in Brawl 
and how exactly does slanted edge ALFC works here? how are the specials mentioned there cancelled?
and why aren't they cancelled on a flat ground?
just don't get the Onstage once because this is different then the things under flat edge.
and how exactly does slanted edge ALFC works here? how are the specials mentioned there cancelled?
and why aren't they cancelled on a flat ground?
just don't get the Onstage once because this is different then the things under flat edge.
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What's the difference between hurt and hit bubbles?
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Hitbubbles = damage-dealing part
Hurtbubbles- your char's body
We've got a few more things on the way coming out in the near future. Moar hype, guys.
Hurtbubbles- your char's body
We've got a few more things on the way coming out in the near future. Moar hype, guys.
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Turnaround specials have been added.
B.A.M.
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Hey I got a question for all the researchers. When you are holding the ledge, what is the input to ledge drop> DJ fair AWAY from the stage. Or just jump off the ledge facing away from the stage. Ive done it with D3 but Ive done it with Sonic but Im not really sure how to do it
you can either turn arround yourself with multi jumper and Yoshi (other double jumps cannot turnarround) or you can double jump instant wall jump to aerial (that can even happen easily by accident).
But you just can't jump away and turnarround with "ordinary" double jumps.
But you just can't jump away and turnarround with "ordinary" double jumps.
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As Yika said, you cannot do it with characters who do not either have multiple double jumps (exp. Meta Knight, King Dedede, Kirby, Jigglypuff), Yoshi (who has special double jump properties) or with people who can wall jump (exp. Mario, Zero Suit Samus, Lucario, etc.).
The multiple double jumps work because they have the ability to turn around in midair when they use their double jumps. If you only have one double jump (excluding Yoshi) then you do not have the ability to turn around when you use your double, which is why you were not able to do this with Sonic.
The multiple double jumps work because they have the ability to turn around in midair when they use their double jumps. If you only have one double jump (excluding Yoshi) then you do not have the ability to turn around when you use your double, which is why you were not able to do this with Sonic.
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