The Falcon Grab Release Testing Ground WIP

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

Grab Releases

When you grab an opponent, depending on their percent they will eventually be released. The higher their percent, the longer it will take for them to be released. it is possible to be released quicker by tapping buttons and rotating the control stick and C-stick. One full rotation of either counts as one button push.

If you grab any opponent, and their feet are not touching the ground, they will air release. You can force an air release on most characters shorter than Falcon, others will have to be grabbed from the air to force an air release. Characters taller than Falcon will move away from him when they get out of the grab, and this is called ground release. However, if you are pummeling any character when they get release, they will always be ground released. Also, if the opponent is tapping the jump button when they get released, they will always be jump released, even if they are taller.

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Here is the list of characters who will get jump released or ground released without pummeling and without mashing jump upon release.

Natural Air Release: (16)

Natural Ground Release: (23)

:shiek:

Combos

Air Releases:

Remember that platforms on stages like BattleField can get in the way of these combos and can render grab release almost useless. The "(E)" beside a character's name means that jump release can only occur on an uneven platform or over an edge.

Bowser (E)
-

Captain Falcon (E) (Untested)

Diddy Kong (E)
-Dash -> Regrab (Unconfirmed)

Donkey Kong (E)
Regrab (Unconfirmed)
Hypen Smash
Nair
Knee (Unconfirmed)
Raptor Boost / SH Raptor Boost (Unconfirmed)

Falco (E) (Untested)

Fox (E)
-

Mr Game and Watch
-Uair (Unconfirmed)

Ganondorf (E) (Untested)

Ice Climbers
-Uair

Ike (E) (Untested)

Jigglypuff
-

:dedede:

King Dedede (E) (Untested)

Kirby
-Uair

Link (E) (Untested)

Lucario (E) (Untested)

Lucas
-Dash -> Regrab
-Usmash

Luigi
-

Mario
-Uair
-Nair

Marth (E) (Untested)

Meta Knight
-Dash -> Regrab (Strict)
-Dash Attack
-Usmash
-Run-off Uair

If you grab MK while your back is facing the right on RC while the stage is moving to the right, you can execute air release follow-ups as if it were on Wario.

Ness
-Uair
-Nair
-Knee (Strict)

Olimar
-Uair (Unconfirmed)

Peach (E) (Untested)

Pikachu
-Regrab (Unconfirmed)

Pit (E) (Untested)

Squirtle
-Regrab
-Dash Attack
-Falcon Kick (Unconfirmed)
-Run off Uair
-Run off Knee (Unconfirmed)
-Jab against a wall
-Infinite against a wall

Ivysaur
-Uair
-Nair (Unconfirmed)
-Knee (Unconfirmed)

Charizard (E) (Untested)

R.O.B. (E) (Untested)

Samus (E) (Untested)

:shiek: Shiek (E) (Untested)

Snake (E) (Untested)

Sonic (E) (Untested)

Toon Link
-Uair (Unconfirmed)

Wario (Wario is the only character you don't have to move after an air release to hit)
-Jab
-Ftilt (tilted upwards)
-Utilt
-Fsmash (tilted upwards)
-Usmash
-Dsmash
-Uair
-Knee
-Dair
-Nair
-Bair
-Falcon Dive
-Footstool
-Dash Back -> Dash Forward -> Regrab
-Pivot Regrab

You can do (at 0%) jump release > Knee to jab canceled re-grab. (Pseudo Combo)
You can CG from 15% - 55% by jump release -> Dair -> buffered turn around jab canceled re-grab.
You can Footstool -> FF FH Nair -> Regrab infinite Wario

Wolf (E) (Untested)

Yoshi
-Uair (Unconfirmed)

Zelda (E) (Untested)

Zero Suit Samus (E) (Untested)

Ground Release:

You MUST be pummeling for it to be a ground release.

Donkey Kong (E)
-DK can dsmash you out of this, don't ground release DK

Lucas
-Dash Regrab
-Dash Attack
-Ftilt
-Wall infinite regrab

Ness
-Dash Regrab
-Dash Attack
-Ftilt
-Wall infinite regrab

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Format stolen from Face124

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

To get an idea of how characters release without testing in game:

teluoborg said:
Oh and btw I got this old table of GR distances if it can be of some use.
Numbers are lines on the "blue sky" stage builder blocks.

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Zeallyx · Sep 26, 2010

*facepalm*

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

ok .

BigLord · Sep 26, 2010

*audience cheers*

Nice list there, dude! This should be extremely useful later, our grab release game is actually very good, as proven by, let's say, Wario (and Ally demonstrated it).

One more thing: the combos listed suppose that we buffer the moves, right?

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

BigLord said:
One more thing: the combos listed suppose that we buffer the moves, right?

Yes .

Ramzeh · Sep 26, 2010

BigLord said:
*audience cheers*

Nice list there, dude! This should be extremely useful later, our grab release game is actually very good, as proven by, let's say, Wario (and 2Knee time and time again demonstrated it).

Yoshi GR > UAir doesn't work
...I mean

Except half of Wario, and Ness' GR > Knee, this entire list is bogus.

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

Ramzeh said:
Yoshi GR > UAir doesn't work
...I mean

Except half of Wario, and Ness' GR > Knee, this entire list is bogus.

That's why I put "Unconfirmed". If you time it perfect it may be legit (you can't buffer out of the grab release animation), I have to "Confirm" it in Frame Advance.

Everything with "Unconfirmed" may be bogus, the rest is completely legit including the ground release CG on Ness.

Ramzeh · Sep 26, 2010

lordhelmet said:
That's why I put "Unconfirmed". If you time it perfect it may be legit (you can't buffer out of the grab release animation), I have to "Confirm" it in Frame Advance.

Everything with "Unconfirmed" may be bogus, the rest is completely legit including the ground release CG on Ness.

You can buffer movement inputs out of GR animation

And putting everything as "unconfirmed" or "untested" is a lazy way to cover up a "finding"
ALSO REMOVE CRAP LIKE INFINITE WALL **** we dont have that around here

It's backwards thinking, and it stinks.

mlorenzo · Sep 26, 2010

lord can you test this. If you air release dk you can knee him and if he is released outside the stage you can raptor boost spike him. I been able to do this to some players and I try to check it in Training mode and it shows up as a combo, but training mode is not reliable, so will you be able to test the air release.

You can force an air release on Dk by using nair.

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

Ramzeh said:
And putting everything as "unconfirmed" or "untested" is a lazy way to cover up a "finding"

It means I haven't gotten around to proving it's legit or tested that character yet.

Ramzeh said:
ALSO REMOVE CRAP LIKE INFINITE WALL **** we dont have that around here

It's backwards thinking, and it stinks.

Did you have a bad day or something? I don't see what's wrong with knowing you can wall infinite the EB boys. Isn't it good to know we can **** Ness on Delfino? Which is where he'll take you because we'll ban Brinstar every time.

@Lorenzo: I'll try that first when I get to testing. I never thought of RB'ing them, I'll have to keep that in mind. And yes, FH Nair -> Grab ensures an air release on everyone. I'll add that to the OP eventually.

UzakiuzuG · Sep 26, 2010

Not to upset you if it seems that way but don't we already have a topic about this?

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

UzakiuzuG said:
Not to upset you if it seems that way but don't we already have a topic about this?

A year-old one with incorrect information that will never get updated.

UzakiuzuG · Sep 26, 2010

lordhelmet said:
A year-old one with incorrect information that will never get updated.

Ah ok, just curious

Yung Mei · Sep 26, 2010

would it be alright if i tested some of thecharacters that havent been tested? i wanna make a contribution to the falcon boards, i figure this might be okay

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

Calvo819 said:
would it be alright if i tested some of thecharacters that havent been tested? i wanna make a contribution to the falcon boards, i figure this might be okay

That would be nice. A nice way to test the "E" chars is to set a lvl 9 CPU to jump and grab them from the air.

That's only to get a feel for what moves you may be able to do based on their release trajectory.

teluoborg · Sep 26, 2010

lordhelmet said:
Well you can't buffer out of the actual ground release animation, but other than that yes.

Uh yes you can buffer. The person being GR'd can't though.

Other than that good job.

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

teluoborg said:
Uh yes you can buffer. The person being GR'd can't though.

Other than that good job.

I stand corrected, just tried it *facepawlm*

Yung Mei · Sep 26, 2010

lordhelmet said:
That would be nice. A nice way to test the "E" chars is to set a lvl 9 CPU to jump and grab them from the air.

That's only to get a feel for what moves you may be able to do based on their release trajectory.

should i also try it on human players to see if i get any other result?

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

Calvo819 said:
should i also try it on human players to see if i get any other result?

Well yeah. That was just a suggestion to figure out what you might be able to do.

Zeallyx · Sep 26, 2010

Calvo for president.

teluoborg · Sep 26, 2010

Oh and btw I got this old table of GR distances if it can be of some use.
Numbers are lines on the "blue sky" stage builder blocks.

lordhelmet · Sep 26, 2010

teluoborg said:
Oh and btw I got this old table of GR distances if it can be of some use.
Numbers are lines on the "blue sky" stage builder blocks.

Oh thanks, I guess I can put my reserved post to use after all.

RjPunch · Sep 29, 2010

I like this. When I have some free time I'll try some of this.

Sovereign · Sep 30, 2010

Don't forget to add that you can Footstool to FH Nair to Regrab, causing an infinite loop, on Wario.

Tech-Nelium the Shark · Sep 30, 2010

hey dont forget that if you're on RC, along the top part going right and you grab MK with your back facing the right you can GR knee him. True story

i swear

lordhelmet · Sep 30, 2010

Thanks and thanks, I forgot about those xD

lordhelmet · Nov 4, 2010

lordhelmet said:
Btw guys, Falcon has a Dash Dance -> Regrab and Pivot Regrab on Wario.

Almost 100% on both of these. Dash back - forward regrab works really well. Basically with Falcon's dash grab he gets just enough grab range to regrab Wario.

Blubolouis · Nov 4, 2010

Don't you guys have some occasional GR stuff on the moving platform on SV? On MK at least? (Utilt perhaps?)

Ramzeh · Nov 4, 2010

GR suck

lordhelmet · Nov 4, 2010

Blubolouis said:
Don't you guys have some occasional GR stuff on the moving platform on SV? On MK at least? (Utilt perhaps?)

I'm not sure. I'll have to try it again - last time I tried I couldn't get it to work but I'm pretty sure I was doing it wrong.

Psychoace · Nov 11, 2010

Did a bit of testing on pokemon trainer. You can confirm that the run off knee on squirtle works but the timing is fairly strict. You can also grab release -> knee ivysaur. I'm not 100% but I think you can catch squirtle with a grab release -> falcon kick

Zeallyx · Nov 11, 2010

Psychoace said:
Did a bit of testing on pokemon trainer. You can confirm that the run off knee on squirtle works but the timing is fairly strict.

I highly doubt thats inescapable.

I did lots of testing on squirtle and I highly doubt its inescapable.

Psychoace · Nov 11, 2010

I'll test it more, but it seems as though you have to release squirtle at a certain point for it to hit. Or maybe once he gets below the stage where you can hit him with knee he can do something like up b you out of it. *back to the drawing board*

rPSIvysaur · Nov 11, 2010

I'm confirming the Dash Regrab on Lucas. It's tested with optimal ground release DI.

lordhelmet · Nov 11, 2010

Psychoace said:
I'll test it more, but it seems as though you have to release squirtle at a certain point for it to hit. Or maybe once he gets below the stage where you can hit him with knee he can do something like up b you out of it. *back to the drawing board*

Why thank you, I've been pretty busy myself lately :/

RocketPSIence said:
I'm confirming the Dash Regrab on Lucas. It's tested with optimal ground release DI.

:O

I didn't think the ground release CG on Lucas was legit xD

ItoI6 · Nov 12, 2010

pretty sure falcon has upb on jiggz.

PZ · Nov 12, 2010

ignore this post

lordhelmet · Nov 12, 2010

ItoI6 said:
pretty sure falcon has upb on jiggz.

He doesn't.

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