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Pound 5 Ruleset

TheTantalus

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*POUND* 5 RULESET

* 3 Stock

* 8 minute timer

* Items are set to "off" and "none"

* Sets best of 3 games.
* Winners Finals, Losers Finals, and Grand Finals will be played best of 5.

* In the event of a dispute, higher seeded players have the choice of controller port. If there is a question of who is the higher seed, let the TO decide.

* Like APEX, players will be permitted to have 1 coach that sits with them during the match and may assist them. Between games, players may individually take up to 3 minutes to consult players but must make a counterpick or ban choice with in 3 minutes of the previous match ending. If you do not make a CP or Ban choice within 3 minutes of the first game ending, you will lose that game. The lone exception to this is if there was a ruling question that required a TO's attention. If there is any dispute on this, please find a TO right away. This rule will not be strictly enforced but the idea is to keep you from stalling a match looking for a coach. Please don't test my patience on this.

* No player may choose a stage they have already won on in that set unless agreed upon by both players.

* In team matches, the ports will be determined in a 1221 fashion; whoever wins the RPS will choose first, then the opposing team will get their ports, and then the teammate of the RPS winner will get the last port or to save on time you could just agree to something on your own. If there is a conflict in singles, RPS will come into effect as well. You may also use the G&W Judgment hammer method as well to decide this.

* Colorblind Rule: If a player is colorblind, they may choose their teams color.

* Metaknight's Infinite/Extended Cape glitch is banned. Extending it via the air is acceptable.

* You are responsible for your own controller. Any malfunctions or errors that occur are your responsibility, so bring an extra controller if possible and always check to make sure you're using the correct settings BEFORE a match is played. If a match is to be restarted due to controller functions, it must be agreed upon by both parties. The opposing party has EVERY RIGHT TO CALL A JUDGE TO DQ YOU FOR PAUSING MID MATCH TO FIX THIS. I recommend x+y+starting before each match.

* If you pause a match for anything other than an emergency, the opposing player has every right to report you to the TO. If you are caught pausing in a game, you will lose the stock you are on. We do not care what the reasoning is. If you pause, you lose a stock. Unless there is a fire or the tv loses power there shouldn't be any pausing of the game period.


* Any action that can prevent the game from continuing (i.e., freezing, disappearing characters, game reset, etc.) will result in a forfeit of that match for the player that initiated the action. You are responsible for knowing your own character, and must be wary about accidentally triggering one of these effects.

* If there is an action that causes a freeze that doesn't require a game reset, you must hit that player out of stun immediately. Failure to do so will result in forfeit of the team that initiated the freeze glitch. (See the diddy teams freeze glitch as an example)

* Matches and Pools will be called. Do not play matches on your own. If players play a match out of order in the tournament bracket, Both players will be disqualified and the person that was skipped over will advance past both of them.

* Bowser/Ganon/Dedede/Kirbyciding- This results of this happening is whatever the game says. Even if the Ganon/DeDeDe/Kirby dies first. If the game reports sudden death, please refer to sudden death procedures (see below.)

* Sudden Death will not be played out. In the event of a sudden death the winner is determined by stock, then percentage. If the sudden death was initiated by a suicide KO- the players will have a 1 stock, 3 minute timer game to determine the winner. If a 2nd sudden death is reached and it is also a tie, then another 1 stock, 3 minute timer game will be played. If this game ends in tie via suicide kill, the player that did the most damage overall will win the set. Basically a "triple overtime" is the limit.

* Stalling is banned.

Stalling: The act of deliberately avoiding any and all conflict so that one may make the game unplayable. Running away from an opponent to reach a better position is not stalling, while doing an infinite grab endlessly against a wall is. Any infinite chain grabs must end immediately after 300% has been reached so as to prevent excessive stalling.

*"Continuous Sharking" is banned. This can be denoted as flying under the stage repeatedly with any character that can glide, just to fly back to the other side again without approaching the opponent. First offense will be a warning, 2nd will be a stock, and 3rd will be the game.

* There will be a 50 ledge grab rule in this tournament for singles. This will come into play if the time runs out. If the timer runs out, and a person has over 50 ledge grabs, they will lose regardless of the outcome. If both players have over 50 ledge grabs, it goes back to normal sudden death procedures for time outs.

* There will be a combined 110 ledge grab rule in teams PER TEAM. This will come into play if the time runs out. If the timer runs out, and a team has over 110 ledge grabs combined, they will lose regardless of the outcome. If both teams have over 110 ledge grabs, it goes back to normal sudden death procedures for time outs.

Doubles Rules: Team Attack ON, Life Stealing is allowed

Wii Hack Rules: Wii hacks are banned, with the exception of:

1. Infinite Replay

No other hacks will be on. I will have an SD card to load the game with the infinite replays. SD cards ARE BANNED. If you have your own SD card, you may load the infinite replay code yourself, but there should not be SD cards in the wii's, period. There have been too many problems with this in the past. I will do my best to enforce this- but it ultimately be the player's responsibility to make sure the wii they are playing on does not have an SD card in it. If a texture hack is found on that changes the size or physics of a stage and causes a match dispute, the match will be replayed, end of story. Please do me a favor and do not bring texture or stage hacks here.

Set format (In Order of Procedure):
1. Players pick character. Double blind pick may be called
2. Each player may announce one stage to be banned from counterpicks or neutrals for the set
4. The first game is played on a stage that both players agree on through striking. If both players agree to a stage and wish not to strike they may start on that stage.
5. The loser of the previous match announces the next match's stage from either the Starter Stage List or the Counter Stage List
6. The winner of the previous match chooses their character
7. The loser of the previous match chooses their character
8. Repeat steps 5-7 for all proceeding matches


Additional Rules for Double's Play

* Life Stealing is allowed
* Set team attack to ON


Additional Rules

* Port slob picks: On a player's counterpick, that player may opt to redo the port selection process with that player or team picking their port first.

*Wiimotes and classic controllers are allowed but we would prefer if you used gamecube. You are responsible for your controller. Take any necessary actions to prevent interference such as removing batteries. If we find your wiimote has interrupted or impededed a tourney set, you will be disqualified from the event.

*Important one: Plank's DQ rules. If you're DQ'd from a match, you are out of the tournament, not just winners bracket.


*Don't be douche. Because I'll be one back.

Stage Lists--


Starter Stages: (Top seed strikes 2 stages first, then the other player strikes 3 stages, then the top seed picks between the final 2 remaining stages)


Battlefield
Pokemon Stadium 1
Final Destination
Castle Siege
Lylat Cruise
Smashville
Yoshi’s Island

Counterpick stages: (each player receives 1 ban per set)

Delfino Plaza
Brinstar
Halberd
Frigate Orpheon
Pictochat
Pokémon Stadium 2
Rainbow Cruise


Please read the above information carefully. By participating, you are agreeing to follow all rules. Any failure to do so can and will result in you being asked to leave (no refund). Also by participating you are agreeing not to hold us responsible for any property or personal loss or damage.

Please let me know if I missed anything obvious as this is quite a comprehensive set so there is a chance I could have missed something. But for the most part, this is what you'll be playing with at Pound 5.
 

KageMurphy

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Pokémon Stadium 2 is taking the place of Rainbow Cruise. <--- this was a joke clowns

Good stuff Tant.
 

ksizl4life

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so no music hacks and we now have a time limit to counterpick or ban or we lose a game? what a great way to end the pound series :D
 

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Why follow BBR's decision on suicides but not on LGL or "continous sharking"? Just curious.
 

Almo

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interesting ruleset. i like how there's 7 neutrals, and some cp's my region doesn't typically use.
 

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How come Delfino isn't a choice for neutrals, but Castle Siege and Stadium is?
 

TheTantalus

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Rainbow Cruise is on, my mistake. Twas an accident.

so no music hacks and we now have a time limit to counterpick or ban or we lose a game? what a great way to end the pound series :D
Can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, heh

The point is- I don't want people running around trying to find some coach who's playing a match on the other side of the venue and delaying the tournament.

I can live with music hacks, I prefer them but some people don't, plus there is the chance some clod will put trogdor as every song, which is disruptive. So they are off.

Why follow BBR's decision on suicides but not on LGL or "continous sharking"? Just curious.
I've always supported this suicide ruling. I was one of the leaders on supporting this and making this the official ruleset. The low numbered LGL we've been seeing I do not support but the LGL being in is simply in the interest of keeping people off the ledge the whole match. I dont' think anyone would keep playing brawl if everyone sat on the ledge the whole match.

How come Delfino isn't a choice for neutrals, but Castle Siege and Stadium is?
Delfino greatly favors Metaknight and Olimar among other aerial based characters. There are also multiple walk off, wall infinites, and silly water based games. Castle siege only has a walk off for a short time that has 4 platforms to avoid it. PS1 has just the wall infinite for a short amount of time. Also, it has to be an odd number, so I left out Delfino and Halberd from the MLG list.
 

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*"Continuous Sharking" is banned. This can be denoted as flying under the stage repeatedly with any character that can glide, just to fly back to the other side again without approaching the opponent. First offense will be a warning, 2nd will be a stock, and 3rd will be the game.


...Scrooging is banned? I don't think I'm coming anymore :(
 

ksizl4life

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yeah i was sarcastic but I can see your reasoning.

*"Continuous Sharking" is banned. This can be denoted as flying under the stage repeatedly with any character that can glide, just to fly back to the other side again without approaching the opponent. First offense will be a warning, 2nd will be a stock, and 3rd will be the game.


...Scrooging is banned? I don't think I'm coming anymore :(
lol
 

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Out of curiousity (I can't make this but I'm asking since nobody else noticed), no tags-in-replays cheats allowed?
 

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I'm actually not being sarcastic with my post though. Scrooging is the only thing keeping me from quitting Brawl. I'll lose to any Diddy I play without scrooging them.
Metaknight shouldn't lose to anyone not metaknight <_<

**** YOU MR. FRAME ADVANTAGE.
 

Kawaii Poyo

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Didn't you once make that long *** post about how MK vs Diddy was 50-50? Besides, I main Kirby after all, MK is my CP character (and I go him game 1 for MUs I dislike). Any Diddy 2/3-stocks my Kirby, I'm THAT bad at the MU. I know I should learn it but it frustrates me so much and I've been bad at Kirby vs Diddy since 2008. I'm bad at MK vs Diddy too (yeah I need to step it up) but I can actually win at it sometimes. Its just hella frustrating without scrooging.
 

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Didn't you once make that long *** post about how MK vs Diddy was 50-50? Besides, I main Kirby after all, MK is my CP character (and I go him game 1 for MUs I dislike). Any Diddy 2/3-stocks my Kirby, I'm THAT bad at the MU. I know I should learn it but it frustrates me so much and I've been bad at Kirby vs Diddy since 2008. I'm bad at MK vs Diddy too (yeah I need to step it up) but I can actually win at it sometimes. Its just hella frustrating without scrooging.
**** changed really fast and suddenly every metaknight became significantly harder. It was after the discovery of that glide cancel fast fall BS because now no one can punish shuttle loops.
 

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does that mean that m2k can beat you more consistently now or is it you out of your prime talking.
 

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**** changed really fast and suddenly every metaknight became significantly harder. It was after the discovery of that glide cancel fast fall BS because now no one can punish shuttle loops.
but that was known about ages ago -_-
 

ksizl4life

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but that was known about ages ago -_-
Up B cancel known about ages ago? Yup.

Utilized in top level play ages ago? Incorrect. That began to be used by Tyrant, M2K, and then me in the east coast after it was "discovered" in June 2009 by DEHF, Mikehaze, and fiction(this is what m2k told me). It then carried on everywhere else.

lol i remember I was the one who told ADHD, he tried it in training mode and said it won't be a big deal. Look at him now.
 

ANTi_

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Only MK's he has a negative record against is Tyrant and I so idk why he hates MK all of a sudden lol.

Sounding like Jash...
 

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Just came in here to look at the rules out of curiosity.

How come you guys have Picto but not like, Norfair, Japes, Distant Planet?

Just curious. Glad to see PS2 made it in. :D
 

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It's my opinion on what I believe to be the most competitive. That's ultimately what any reasoning I could lay out will boil down to.
 

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Fair enough.

I disagree with it, but I was just interested in hearing why.

I don't intend to start any debates in your topic, but if you had any inclination to PM me and discuss the reasoning, I'd be interesting in hearing exactly what drives the decision.
 

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Tant, did you throw in castle seige as a starter just to fill in the gap? Or do you really think it should be with the other neutrals?
 

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It was castle siege or halberd on the odd number. I went with Castle over Halberd based on recommendations by a few top players. I really don't think it fits in the category, but there is a good chance that it will just get struck off every time.
 

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Glad to see Pokemon Stadium 2 made the list. Its certainly deserves to be atleast a counterpick.

Im a bit disappointed on the no texture hacks thing but i can see why. I imagine all replay/music/character select screen related things are fine?
 

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Glad to see Pokemon Stadium 2 made the list. Its certainly deserves to be atleast a counterpick.

Im a bit disappointed on the no texture hacks thing but i can see why. I imagine all replay/music/character select screen related things are fine?
music he said no. replay yes. character select screen has nothing to do with the actual match so whatever.
 
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