Samus Discussion

L1ON · Oct 4, 2010

Although fox is my main, many people out-"shine" me (haha) when it comes to Mr. fast and flashy. So I often declare Samus as my main because of the control and sense of comfort I feel when I play her. If nobody beats me to the punch, I will attempt to write a guide, and I'll try to exceed what's expected (shortest guide ever).

So let the discussion begin.

Up B a shielding opponent on a platform --> easiest shield break much?

Anyone ever have any luck in aerial (possibly tilt maybe fsmash) fully charged shot for a shield break?

Also what to do after a shield break, I usually just taunt then grab (because it feels so good) but I have inspiration from prince to do more... i.e. incorporate laying a bomb and hitting them into it or some such cooler thing.

dandan · Oct 4, 2010

dair fully charged shot to fsmash is a break, so is bomb to fully charged shot to fsmash.
very situational though, probably not something you should look forward to.

after the break you can lay a bomb and grab through the bomb (the bomb is between you and him) for extra %

Gammelnorsk · Oct 4, 2010

if they are on platform

dair den go dru da platform and up b dem shield dreak

th3kuzinator · Oct 4, 2010

bair > usmash against a wall usually breaks

it also works sometimes on tall characters when not against a wall (situational)

L1ON · Oct 4, 2010

dandan said:
after the break you can lay a bomb and grab through the bomb (the bomb is between you and him) for extra %

Wow so simple and yet so great haha thanks.

kabal · Oct 6, 2010

If they're shielded in the **** tent, you can break them with up-b.

L1ON · Oct 6, 2010

kabal said:
If they're shielded in the **** tent, you can break them with up-b.

So the roof holds you from going any higher?

dandan · Oct 6, 2010

L1ON said:
So the roof holds you from going any higher?

yep, also a good point if they shield on a platform such as on dreamland, it is advisable to jump before the up as it keeps you lower, otherwise you can get too high and miss the shield.

Olikus · Oct 7, 2010

How do you DI out of samus upB?

ciaza · Oct 7, 2010

How to DI out of Samus UpB

Olikus · Oct 7, 2010

Thanks, I knew I had seen a video of it before, but didnt remember where.

B Link · Oct 7, 2010

u can tell if ppl set their range too high when they DI out of your samus upB after one hit >_>

Surri-Sama · Oct 8, 2010

or they can escape the basic falcon combos...its really annoying actually

what i love is how most claim they can do that on console ...im like LOL NO Range isnt even on smash64 duh

jiggssmash64 · Oct 9, 2010

Z Canceled FAirs are really good when gonig from grabbing a ledge to backon normal ground.

Darth Rancorous · Oct 10, 2010

my trademarked "combo"

Sammy Double Combo
up air > upB on a shielding opponent on a platform

sometimes it breaks the shield :D

ciaza · Oct 11, 2010

Nice Darth, one of my favs is plat drop bair to up B while someone is shielding on the platform. Makes the shield break a bit easier.

KoRoBeNiKi · Oct 11, 2010

Olikus said:
How do you DI out of samus upB?

Down and left or down and right. (for moves in general, you DI to the opposite way they are hitting you).

You can also DI up out of the first 2 or 3 hits but I find it much harder.

For the general discussion, I like using Samus a lot but I HATE the DK matchup and I am somewhat poor at the Yoshi matchup also. Any tips, can't stand the down b to giant punch.

In terms of matchups I like, I think Samus is even with Jiggs and is barely beating ness (like 55-45). I like those matchups as well.

ballin4life · Oct 11, 2010

Pretty sure boom and malva said to DI samus's upB upwards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZYaNpRyOLE

Gammelnorsk · Oct 11, 2010

samus vs fox is a really fun matchup

th3kuzinator · Oct 11, 2010

KoRoBeNiKi said:
Up and left or up and right.

You can also DI down out of the first 2 or 3 hits but I find it much harder.

ahaha you switched em around koro

ciaza · Oct 12, 2010

It depends I mean sometimes you'll find yourself being naturally towards the bottom or the top of Samus depening on where she started the attack and I think that determines what way you should attempt to DI.

kabal · Oct 12, 2010

For DK's punch combo: if you spam up-b when stunned and flying after getting hit, you can sometimes up-b in time which makes you invulnerable for a split second or dodges the punch.

Up-b is a really powerful tool for breaking combos in general, though obviously it also leaves you very vulnerable. Most of the time it's still worth it.

asianaussie · Oct 12, 2010

yeah, and if there's a platform above you, even a missed up-b has a 50/50 chance of not being punished too badly, depending on whether you decide to land on the plat or fastfall through

that's gotten me so many times >_>

ciaza · Oct 12, 2010

cheeseball341 said:
yeah, and if there's a platform above you, even a missed up-b has a 50/50 chance of not being punished too badly, depending on whether you decide to land on the plat or fastfall through

that's gotten me so many times >_>

lol, Judas taught me that one; other people caught on then I assume?

Mahie · Oct 12, 2010

I've been starting to use the jab cancel as a shield pressuring method lately, and it works very well. Does anybody do that ?

asianaussie · Oct 12, 2010

I do it to stop shield grabs, it works wonders

To be honest I do it with every character when I can, I like my weak underused moves :3

Mahie · Oct 12, 2010

cheeseball341 said:
I do it to stop shield grabs, it works wonders

To be honest I do it with every character when I can, I like my weak underused moves :3

And how do you do the imput by the way ? Crouching each time you jab ?

blaze3927 · Oct 24, 2010

i samus usmash can be a full shiedl breaker
me n pete proved it, and recorded
no sure if this was confirmed yet

asianaussie · Oct 24, 2010

50% damage fresh, an example would be standing on the lower moving plat on saffron's left while your target does a low-shield on the lowest skyscraper (i recall managing this, dunno if it was because the shield was below 40% or not)

I don't think that stale u-smash can break a full shield

Darth Rancorous · Oct 24, 2010

ciaza said:
Nice Darth, one of my favs is plat drop bair to up B while someone is shielding on the platform. Makes the shield break a bit easier.

yeah, upair>upb is not very reliable cuz theres some frames in between the moves that opponents can use to escape the impending shield break

KoRoBeNiKi said:
Down and left or down and right. (for moves in general, you DI to the opposite way they are hitting you).

You can also DI up out of the first 2 or 3 hits but I find it much harder.

For the general discussion, I like using Samus a lot but I HATE the DK matchup and I am somewhat poor at the Yoshi matchup also. Any tips, can't stand the down b to giant punch.

In terms of matchups I like, I think Samus is even with Jiggs and is barely beating ness (like 55-45). I like those matchups as well.

i have come to notice that im pretty decent at getting out of samus' upb. what i do is i prety much slide di up and down on the right quadrants of the joystick. now, if only i could apply my hax di to other moves...

Gammelnorsk said:
samus vs fox is a really fun matchup

i agree. i love playing foxs as samus, especially good ones. even tho thats prolly samus' worst matchup, i feel i get better afterwards. the trick is to avoid being at eye level against fox to avoid those shdl's and try to gimp as much as possible haha

Gammelnorsk · Nov 4, 2010

i like matrix'ing my way through lasers to fsmash fox players

rpotts · Nov 20, 2010

<3 Dair tech chasing. Samus = my new kirby counter.

dandan · Nov 20, 2010

rpotts said:
<3 Dair tech chasing. Samus = my new kirby counter.

try that counter on peach's castle

th3kuzinator · Nov 20, 2010

what are samus' best options when hanging from a ledge?

ledgehop fair usually gets punished and ledgehop dair is situational.

felipe_9595 · Nov 20, 2010

Ledgehop up B? Or maybe Ledgehop bair

asianaussie · Nov 20, 2010

ledgehop b-air lol

if f-air is often punished, try just getting up normally and going from there

The Star King · Nov 20, 2010

You can use ledgehop charge shots if they're staying out of your fair range, it's not too reliable though.

Maybe Felipe meant charge shot to turn yourself around -> jump -> bair, I actually kind of want to try that now lol. I don't think it'll be much better than ledgehop fair though.

SSBPete · Nov 20, 2010

ledge roll -> upb

ciaza · Nov 20, 2010

ShootingStar said:
Maybe Felipe meant charge shot to turn yourself around -> jump -> bair, I actually kind of want to try that now lol. I don't think it'll be much better than ledgehop fair though.

While the opponent is edgeguarding you? Fairly certain you'd get slaughtered.

Felipe's first option is best, ledgehop>up b *****, especially on dreamland where you can either land on the platform or fall through it. (From my experience noone ever expects you to fall through it.)

The Star King · Nov 20, 2010

ciaza said:
(From my experience noone ever expects you to fall through it.)

This is a standard trick in the US lol

Poor Australia.

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