Unofficial Marth Matchup Ratio Topic

MacNCheese. · Oct 31, 2010

Marth Matchup Ratio Topic

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O.O I love how you make the thread i was gonna make

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Pierce7d · Oct 31, 2010

IMO

We beat Wario 6:4
We lose to IC 6:4
We beat Lucario 6:4
ZSS is even
TL is even
We lose to DK 6:4
We beat Mario 75:25
We beat Link 7:3
We lose to Diddy 45:55

Everything else I can chill with.

Why do you have the list again collapsed?

Anaky · Oct 31, 2010

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Pierce7d · Oct 31, 2010

Eh, since you're going to put it in the OP, I think D3 is 55-45 his favor.

I'll edit it myself though, don't worry.

Anaky · Oct 31, 2010

Aight change it anytime u want then haha.

Anaky · Oct 31, 2010

Ohh lol i didnt know, i said i was gonna make this thread like 3 weeks back but never actually got round to it properly until today.

Remzi · Oct 31, 2010

Pierce, didn't you say like last month that we beat TL 70:30 >_____>

Anaky · Oct 31, 2010

Any1 wanna have a go at it lol?

Nike. · Oct 31, 2010

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Remzi · Oct 31, 2010

My opinion....

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Raziek · Oct 31, 2010

My personal opinions...

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LooftWaffles · Oct 31, 2010

Just going to list the ones Im confident about

MK 40-60

Snake 55-45

DDD 45-55

DK 50-50

ROB 50-50

ZSS 55-45

Pika 60-40

Anyone else consider Diddy thier most hated MU as Marth? I actually like facing MK and D3 no longer makes me facepalm.
Diddy 40-60

ICs 55-45

Enzo · Oct 31, 2010

My 2 cents on this
Snake is NOT 55-45
it is either 50-50 or 55-45 HIS favor
the only marths that are capable of defeating decent snakes are havok/mike

ChaosDrifter · Oct 31, 2010

you should order the averages from most difficult to least difficult to make it easier to read

Nike. · Oct 31, 2010

That's what the colors are for :o It seems easy on my eyes lol

Pierce7d · Oct 31, 2010

BLM (black mage) said:
My 2 cents on this
Snake is NOT 55-45
it is either 50-50 or 55-45 HIS favor
the only marths that are capable of defeating decent snakes are havok/mike

I haven't lost to Snake except Ally in a very long time. I typically destroy this character. Just sayin.

I think Kadaj is also pretty good at this MU.

Enzo · Nov 1, 2010

@ pierce
Mike/havok/you/kadaj
are top marths in most brawlers eyes

This doesnt account for many of the other marths.
I know MUs are considered @ highest lvl of play.
But still to say that that marth snake 55-45 is kinda ehhhh
thats just my opinion though. I could easily/probably/maybe be wrong on this

Pierce7d · Nov 1, 2010

I don't consider myself a top player. I'm way too inconsistent. I simply have an obscene amount of knowledge. If I played at my best all the time, maybe I'd be a top player.

ChaosDrifter · Nov 1, 2010

Nike. said:
That's what the colors are for :o It seems easy on my eyes lol

i guess so, i just like organization of things by numbers haha
p.s. im a math major in university if you weren't able to guess i was something close to that

VibeSlyph · Nov 1, 2010

Some of the ones I'm confident in:
Marth/DK 50:50
Marth/R.O.B. 50:50
Marth/Wario 60:40
Marth/Lucario 60:40
Marth/Peach 60:40
Marth/Snake 55:45

Shaya · Nov 1, 2010

MK: 42:58
Snake: 54.5:45.5
Diddy: 45:55
Falco: 55:45
Wario: 60:40
Marth: (His hardest match up)
ICs: 50:50

Dedede: 44:56
Pikachu: 62:38
G&W: 59:41
ZSS: 60:40
Olimar: 60:40
Lucario: 60:40
Peach: 55:45
ROB: 50:50
DK: 55:45
Wolf: 55:45

Pierce7d · Nov 1, 2010

Marth is an easy MU for me, lol.

Shaya · Nov 1, 2010

stfu Pierce.

Marth ***** marth harder than anyone else.

VibeSlyph · Nov 1, 2010

Shaya said:
stfu Pierce.

Marth ***** marth harder than anyone else.

That must be why it's an easy MU for him.

Pierce7d · Nov 1, 2010

Shaya said:
stfu Pierce.

Donkey Kong ***** marth harder than anyone else.

fixed that for you. Marth is so free

Calzorz · Nov 1, 2010

BLM (black mage) said:
My 2 cents on this
Snake is NOT 55-45
it is either 50-50 or 55-45 HIS favor
the only marths that are capable of defeating decent snakes are havok/mike

only marths in america*

leon beat me 3-2 at bushido

and he lost to ally 3-2 , Sding twice on last game i heard?

i think marth is a hard mu for snake but its not a big diffrence eitehr 55/45 marth or 50/50 i dont really care but i do think slightly marths favour

also nice mu list anaky

Anaky · Nov 1, 2010

Shaya could u put it in the format/layout ive used plz.

_Kadaj_ · Nov 1, 2010

I guess I'll do one too

_Kadaj_ · Nov 1, 2010

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Pierce7d · Nov 1, 2010

Kadaj, how often do you travel?

Nike. · Nov 1, 2010

I know he better go to MLG Dallas :3

_Kadaj_ · Nov 1, 2010

I usually travel whenever I'm able to do so

Since moving to NC I've been to FL, GA (3-4times), NJ, VA (obv lol), and DC

I just recently found out that for a round trip I can get to NY for about 60 or less, so I'm going to start looking into traveling there a lot more if possible.

Unfortunately I won't be able to make Dallas, I had the money to do so but my Mom needed some financial support so I felt inclined to help her out seeing as she is my mom lol

I will however be at VC9 (hopefully everything goes as planned with that) and Pound 5, and the tournament being hosted in Japan (I'm looking forward to this the most, but I need to find a part time job asap)

xxmoosexx · Nov 2, 2010

@ Kadaj I looked at your list Kadaj and that is the most un-exciting thing i have ever seen.

Its a bunch of 55:45 and 45:55. Geez. 45:55 on MK?? Even if we play perfectly all that means is that the only thing we are susceptible to is his overpowered moveset, range, lag, and recovery. I do not approve.

*GASP* YOU MOVED TO NC!! I definitley plan on seeinng you at a tourney. I will have to see Dr PP too!

zer0. · Nov 2, 2010

xxmoosexx said:
@ Kadaj I looked at your list Kadaj and that is the most un-exciting thing i have ever seen.

Its a bunch of 55:45 and 45:55. Geez. 45:55 on MK?? Even if we play perfectly all that means is that the only thing we are susceptible to is his overpowered moveset, range, lag, and recovery. I do not approve.

*GASP* YOU MOVED TO NC!! I definitley plan on seeinng you at a tourney. I will have to see Dr PP too!

And 55:45 on Ike and Pikachu it's a bit unusual too.

xxmoosexx · Nov 2, 2010

zer0. said:
And 55:45 on Ike and Pikachu it's a bit unusual too.

Exactly. Kadaj you tier list is officially different from mine.

_Kadaj_ · Nov 2, 2010

It's because it's more accurate at high end play.

By playing the best Pikachu and Ike I've come to realize that

Nike. · Nov 2, 2010

Same with Sonic.

Anaky · Nov 2, 2010

Added that to the list, should be getting Leons and Ramins opinion soon, could do with Mikes as well, and Minty's would be good.

Pikachu i could agree with 55:45, Ike i guess i could agree with, but Metaknight i couldnt, but that might be bcuz i dont actually have that much MK exp, SURPRISE SURPRISE.

Pierce7d · Nov 2, 2010

_Kadaj_ said:
It's because it's more accurate at high end play.

By playing the best Pikachu and Ike I've come to realize that

I disagree.

For example, Neo ***** San when they played in friendlies, because he knows the MU, and has the skill to execute. San acknowledged that Marth was brutally difficult when the opponent is of the knowledge and caliber that Neo displayed in those matches.

Yes, high end play should definitely be taken into account, but don't be blinded by outliers, and even moreso than that, don't be blinded by the outlier discrepancies.

Trying to take TWO outliers (like ESAM and Mike Haze) and then use them as an example of the norm (the overall MU) is foolish.

Why did I change my opinion on Toon Link? In addition to fighting several Toon Links, and seeing the tools Toon Link had, I realized I underestimated the character. Additionally, I've observed Marth players losing or struggling to defeat Toon Links across the country, when both players were proficient.

Raziek · Nov 2, 2010

_Kadaj_ said:
It's because it's more accurate at high end play.

By playing the best Pikachu and Ike I've come to realize that

I just find it confusing that you think we beat ROB and DK (We don't), but you think MK is no big deal, and Pikachu and Ike are close to even?

It just seems like you might be over-compensating for skill disparity, to me. Just because the best Pikachu might give you trouble, doesn't mean Marth doesn't still have a solid 60:40 on Pikachu as a character.

That said, Pikachu isn't nearly as easy as we once thought.

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