Seagull's moveset kill analysis thread

These are the moves I personally usually get a stock with vs _____.

- Fsmash
- Bair
- Fair
- Varies, but mostly shine spike and Dsmash
- Fair
- Dsmash
- Bair (Only super safe move vs the Ics)
- Fair
- Fair
- You don't kill D3 generally, but usually from Bairs.
- Dsmash, 130%
- Killing Lucario is quite varied. Fair or Bair.
- Fair
- Bair
- Fair
- Bair
- Retreated Fairs all day on this *****
- Fair
- FairX1000
- Bair
- BAIR. Try other stuff and you get up b'd for misplacement @___@
- Usmash and shine spike
- Fair
- Dthrow and then edgeguarding lol.
- Bair
- Dsmash
- Fair
- Dthrow and edgeguarding
- Bair
- Bair
- Fsmash
- Fair
- Dsmash
- Dsmash
- Bair
- Doesn't even matter, pick an option.
- Bair
- Bair
- Same as Jigglypuff.

annotated where applicable.

- Fsmash (I usually wait to hear them use an F-smash {the "hmmp!" noise at the start up} and downsmash them).
- Bair (Utilt)
- Fair (F-smash to punish missed ground attack, wario racks up damage)
- Bair (I usually start crying)
- Fair (charged F-smash)
- Fair (If I'm at high %, pick a move honestly, wolf destroys him minus CG.)
- You don't kill D3 generally
- Bair (unsafe bomb out, Fair death)
- FairX100000000000000000000000000
- Bair (f-smash from a bad zair works 100$!!!!!% of the time, thanks wolf slouching down a tad when he f-smashes! Also great on bad super missles)
- Edge, Guard.

Honestly, I don't see why Wolfs have trouble with TL's. If you stay grounded then they have no way of killing you that you cannot see coming. Just avoid getting hit with a bomb at high percents when you're on the ground. Continue to laser camp grounded and don't jump unless they approach from the air. Usmash is their best kill move, but it won't hit if you stay grounded. Uair is also good, but requires a bomb setup if you're grounded. Wolf generally beats TL 55-45 though.

And Megarobman, I'm generally posting my consensus on the specific move I'd use to kill a character. I still like to play it safe at high percents so I cannot just pick a kill move vs like Pikachu. The less damage you take the better .

Just wondering can you shine to footstool DDD to kill him?

Zync, Probably, not that that's ever gonna happen

idk i just thought about it, when he gets offstage he cant actually fend off vs shine, and footstool must be faster than his fair? anyway if he gets down u can dair him

Well yeah it of course depends on how low you are... someone test it out please

D3 has like 4 jumps and an up b with incredible range. Shine spiking him is outta the question. You can make him use all his jumps and shine him to force up b on stage eventually I guess, but never shine spike him.

His 4 jumps all together are like 1 full jump from falco so its not the big deal, and his up B is terrible so, i guess instead of shine spiking him just do 1 shine and then footstool, so that he falls lower and forces to use his up B

Seagull Man said:

Honestly, I don't see why Wolfs have trouble with TL's. If you stay grounded then they have no way of killing you that you cannot see coming. Just avoid getting hit with a bomb at high percents when you're on the ground. Continue to laser camp grounded and don't jump unless they approach from the air. Usmash is their best kill move, but it won't hit if you stay grounded. Uair is also good, but requires a bomb setup if you're grounded. Wolf generally beats TL 55-45 though.

And Megarobman, I'm generally posting my consensus on the specific move I'd use to kill a character. I still like to play it safe at high percents so I cannot just pick a kill move vs like Pikachu. The less damage you take the better .

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I haven't played MJG in a while, but it's a doable match-up, he even said it's probably ever so slightly in wolfs favor. One of the uber-casuals I used to play with had a good TL and you'd be surprised how well all of TL's aerials can kill. Zair to grab is nasty too, but that's not killing unless you be livin.

Wolf 140 1 stock, Pika 110 1 stock. wins.

MegaRobMan said:

I haven't played MJG in a while, but it's a doable match-up, he even said it's probably ever so slightly in wolfs favor. One of the uber-casuals I used to play with had a good TL and you'd be surprised how well all of TL's aerials can kill. Zair to grab is nasty too, but that's not killing unless you be livin.

Wolf 140 1 stock, Pika 110 1 stock. wins.

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shine to foot stool also works on tl