Match-up Discussion 17 - Peach

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"Best" starters for Oli:
"Worst" starters for Oli:
"Best" counterpicks for Oli:
"Worst" counterpicks for Oli:

Notable "move beats move" situations:

Opponent's primary tools:
How we can deal with opponent's primary tools:

Anything else:
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Reserving first post, will post more again soon.

run away while throwing pikmin the whole match
get purples somehow
fair sometimes
????
profit

ban SV, CP?

**** Olimar!

This **** is like slightly in our advantage at best!
I'll elaborate later (maybe).

Draco did a write-up a while back in the Impact Zone. I'll put it in the second post sometime soon.

One question for now. I know Illmatic specifically likes Brinstar.
Is that where normal Peach players will take us or is this player preference?

I like brinstar vs peach. The sticky **** on the side keeps her from throwing turnips of the ledge. One less gimp option + worse case scenario, we still have the lava... but that's like a LAST RESORT option, haha.

Olimar's n-air beats Peach's b-air, but I think you have to space it so that her *** is in Olimar's disjointed hitbox, but doesn't actually touch Olimar, if you follow that. But don't try to f-air if she has her *** to you. His n-air can also beat her n-air, but I'm not really sure how it works. Sometimes he wins, sometimes she wins, idk what the mechanics are, this game just doesn't always sense.

Okay, I understand why SV would be a bad choice against her.
Are there any other starters that we should strike?

This is going to sound strange, but how are tilts (particularly Ftilt and Utilt) and Dash attack against her?
I know Peaches like to space Fair, so DA might be an option to screw up their spacing.

CloverLeaf said:

Okay, I understand why SV would be a bad choice against her.
Are there any other starters that we should strike?

This is going to sound strange, but how are tilts (particularly Ftilt and Utilt) and Dash attack against her?
I know Peaches like to space Fair, so DA might be an option to screw up their spacing.

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Olimar's fair comes out twice as fast as peach's... and it has more range. Just fair her on reaction.

brinstar doesnt seem like anything special. i mean ban it if you dont like it. i just played fino there at the last touarnament i was at and it didnt seem to do much for me. i mean he cant really run that well on the stage cause the floor is stupid but its olimar, so not being able to move much makes no difference to him since all he wants to do is stand and throw pikmin. i guess those crafty running u-smashes might not be able to happen as often.

my opinoin on the mu ratio is that peach wins on paper. unfortunately, on paper means nothing. although i'm of the opinion that olimar only has one bad mu in practice (mk). it really depends on the player as to whether olimar will lose to them or not. a smart, patient, cool headed opponent will beat an olimar every time (if they are of comparable skill of course and aren't playing ganon or something). olimar nets his wins out of frustration in addition to the other traits he has, so while someone battles olimar they must also battle their own mental weakness. every character is like this to some extent, but olimar and ice climbers are the two that are significantly better and are shining examples of this phenomenon.

tl:dr - slight advantage peach, but it doesnt really matter.

Nicole said:

olimar nets his wins out of frustration in addition to the other traits he has, so while someone battles olimar they must also battle their own mental weakness.

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I was JUST thinking it was about time I changed my sig too