Match-up Discussion 19 - Ice Climbers

Sky Pirate · Jul 4, 2011

Ice Climbers

Advantage/Disadvantage: -1

Prepare for double the trouble
The chaingrab can turn a good match into a bad one in a matter of seconds.
What should we focus on?

We need the following information:

-STAGES-
"Best" starters for Oli:
"Worst" starters for Oli:
"Best" counterpicks for Oli:
"Worst" counterpicks for Oli:

Notable "move beats move" situations:

Opponent's primary tools:
How we can deal with opponent's primary tools:

Anything else:
(This section includes gimmicks, minor notes, and anything else that isn't covered)

Don't restrict conversation to just these points.
These are just guidelines to help discussion.
Discuss!

Sky Pirate · Jul 4, 2011

Reserving first post. I'll post more later.
Anyone want to save me the time of looking up Fino's "Snowpocalypse" thread? =P

Edit: NVM, found it!

Snowpocalypse - An option for beating Blizzard

Dnyce · Jul 4, 2011

IC's nair is the most annoying move in the match-up.

If it weren't for nair, it'd be +2 in Olimar's advantage

DeLux · Jul 4, 2011

No offense, but that option for beating blizzard wall is outdated and looks like a method of losing $5 the hard way with a one way ticket on the pain train compared to some of the newer and safer stuff that's available.

Mr. game and watch · Jul 4, 2011

I suck at the mu, but I know this much.
We suck at brinny and RC.
Good at FD.
I lose to "pewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpew GAME!"
:/

Blacknight99923 · Jul 4, 2011

doesn't almost every ice climber have a wario G&W mk by now though?

just cping rainbow or brinstar in this mu could easily turn against you against several players

Dnyce · Jul 4, 2011

I hope you get banned Mr. G&W.

Working on how to incorporate ibpg in the match-up - I think it'll completely change the way things are played.

EDIT:

Blacknight99923 said:
doesn't almost every ice climber have a wario G&W mk by now though?

just cping rainbow or brinstar in this mu could easily turn against you against several players

I'm so scared of a pocket character. Real talk. Cause everyone just happens to know / enjoy the Olimar match-up, right? Every tournament I go to people say "I know exactly what to do against Olimar."

Sky Pirate · Jul 4, 2011

DeLux said:
No offense, but that option for beating blizzard wall is outdated and looks like a method of losing $5 the hard way with a one way ticket on the pain train compared to some of the newer and safer stuff that's available.

No offense taken. It isn't wrong to call someone out on misinformation if they've never been corrected.

Would you mind describing these newer and safer methods, though?

Dnyce · Jul 4, 2011

CloverLeaf said:
Would you mind describing these newer and safer methods, though?

Dnyce said:
Working on how to incorporate ibpg in the match-up - I think it'll completely change the way things are played.

Ninja'd you there Clover

DeLux · Jul 4, 2011

Dnyce said:
I'm so scared of a pocket character. Real talk. Cause everyone just happens to know / enjoy the Olimar match-up, right? Every tournament I go to people say "I know exactly what to do against Olimar."

I know exactly what to do against Olimar. Hope that a pikmin decides to not come out and walk in for a free grab

Commence 4th of July Firework Show of Pikmin Souls

Dnyce · Jul 4, 2011

DeLux said:
I know exactly what to do against Olimar. Hope that a pikmin decides to not come out and walk in for a free grab

Commence 4th of July Firework Show of Pikmin Souls

^This x 4 stocks

Best grand-finals set ever :shyguy:

Sky Pirate · Jul 4, 2011

Ah. I thought he was implying that there were multiple "new and safe" methods with his usage of the term "some".

SINCE WHEN IS IT THE FOURTH OF JULY?
I didn't notice because it's just going to be boring this year with the whole "fireworks banned in central Texas" thing. :<

DeLux · Jul 4, 2011

Regular IPG also works

IBPG is just safer on spacing

Dabuz · Jul 4, 2011

I just dair the blizz wall, then throw out lots of fsmashes, grabs, and purple side-B's until a get a hit or grab. If i get a grab, at low %s i do a combo, at 50+%, i pummel once to get my opponent away, then throw. Once they are separated, proceed with the dsmash, upsmash, and fair **** on the CPU. I like long stages such as FD or SV, with closed in stages without much room on the main platform being my detest. BTW, YES, I SAID I LIKE FD IN THIS MU, SUCK IT!

Sky Pirate · Jul 5, 2011

I know Hylian likes to use a certain spacing for Blizzard wall.
Have you tried IPG/IBPG against him yet, Fino?

DeLux · Jul 5, 2011

He didn't need it to beat Hylian given he beat him before he got it down :\

Dnyce · Jul 6, 2011

Don't waste your time here Phil.

Sky Pirate · Jul 6, 2011

I didn't ask if he used it to beat him, I asked if he TRIED it.

Dnyce · Jul 6, 2011

CloverLeaf said:
I didn't ask if he used it to beat him, I asked if he TRIED it.

I didn't need to.

Match-up Discussion 19 - Ice Climbers

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The best defense is a lot of frigging healing

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