European Brawl Tier List

Marc · Oct 23, 2011

Introduction
People want to see what a European Brawl tier list would look like and my existence is one of servitude. The aim of this project is to compile the tier list opinions of a selection of top players/theorists from all over Europe.

Procedure

In the below list you will find how many votes each country is allowed to have. The person marked in RED will be in charge of getting his countrymen to vote, or in several cases that person will be the only voter. We still need representatives for several countries! The numbers aren’t really debatable, unless you think you have a very good reason to ask for an additional vote. Once representatives have confirmed to do their job, I will send them the voting form via PM, they can distribute it to the people they pick.

[collapse=Countries and Voters]Denmark (1):
King Funk

Finland (1):

France + Switzerland (9):
Slhoka (no vote)

Germany + Austria + Luxembourg(10):
Akuma

Italy (1):

Norway (2):
Chiii
Gardex

Spain (6):
Edu
Greward
Joannett88
Marcbri
Raw
Rydle

Sweden (1):

The Netherlands (8):
Chair
Gregs
istudying
Jumpman
Marc
Mr-R
Orion
T

The United Kingdom (5):
Anaky
Calzorz
Cong
C.R.Z
Kasper

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Voting will end on the 11th of November. Every vote after this date will not be counted.
You are to assume these 10 stages:
[collapse=Stage List]Starter:
Battlefield
Final Destination
Lylat Cruise
Smashville
Yoshi’s Story

Counterpick:
Castle Siege
Delfino
Frigate Orpheon
Halberd
Pokémon Stadium 1[/collapse]
Assume there is a Ledge Grab Limit for the entire cast.
Your entry will be considered null and void if you place Sheilda below the highest of Sheik and Zelda! She can by definition never be worse than the better one, as she is the optimal usage of both (AKA if transforming isn't good in a matchup, you don't, if it is, you do).
You can use this topic for discussion. I'll post my own list in a bit so people can critique it and ask for my infallible reasoning.

Flayl · Oct 23, 2011

Feel free to remove Portugal

Marc · Oct 23, 2011

Why is that? No active Brawl scene?

Flayl · Oct 23, 2011

Yeah, I tried really hard but the Nintendo community here just didn't respond. Online Brawl scene lasted 2 years, offline scene lasted a little over a year. There are still some people that play of course but not as competitively as I'd like them to.

-Jumpman- · Oct 23, 2011

King Funk, forever king of portugal (and funk).

Marcbri · Oct 23, 2011

Confirm me for that D:

I think Spain´s scene maybe should have a bigger number considering our size but I will already have trouble to get 4 players who care about this/are competent, so no problem xD

Gardex · Oct 23, 2011

~~So if there are multiple people for a country, does each and everyone of them have to make their own tier list or just work together to make one that represents their country's vote?~~

Ok nvm

Anaky · Oct 23, 2011

Hmm il be in charge of getting UK voters.

So yeah it'l be

Anaky
Calzorz
Kasper
Cong
C.R.Z

King Funk · Oct 24, 2011

I do think too that Spain could maybe use one or two more voters, as their scene is rather large. Finland and Italy should also have 2 or 3 voters in total, as they're much more active scenes than Sweden and Denmark. Aside from that it seems all good.

When can we expect that PM, Marc?

Lord Chair · Oct 24, 2011

Finland I agree with, I don't see how Italy deserves more votes though, last time I heard or saw anything about them it was a Snake DACUSing his way through GF against a Pikachu.

Calzorz · Oct 24, 2011

netherlands with them active brawl players

~ Gheb ~ · Oct 24, 2011

Finding 9 additional people from Germany, Austria and Luxembourg will not be an easy task for Akuma. Some of his choices will be rather easy to predict but a solid panel of 10 people? I have a hard time seeing it ... I think smaller panels would be more effective, easier to deploy and I don't think it'll affect the result negatively...

Scandinavia: 3 - 4
England: 3 - 4
Spain: 4 - 5
Netherlands: 5 - 6
France + Swizerland: 6
Germany + Austria + Luxembourg: 6

Marc · Oct 24, 2011

Marcbri said:
Confirm me for that D:

I think Spain´s scene maybe should have a bigger number considering our size but I will already have trouble to get 4 players who care about this/are competent, so no problem xD

Cool. If you run into a situation where you would like 1/2 more votes I'm not going to be a **** about it. Keep in touch.

Gardex said:
~~So if there are multiple people for a country, does each and everyone of them have to make their own tier list or just work together to make one that represents their country's vote?~~

Ok nvm

Does that mean you want to do it for your country?

Anaky said:
Hmm il be in charge of getting UK voters.

So yeah it'l be

Anaky
Calzorz
Kasper
Cong
C.R.Z

Seems like a solid selection.

King Funk said:
When can we expect that PM, Marc?

Tonight most likely. As for number of votes, like I said to Marcbri I'm not going to be too difficult about it if people really think they need 1/2 more votes.

Gheb: Less people means outliers have more of an impact and it's not like these people even need to get together. They just need to vote once in an online form, discussion is pretty much optional. Surely our scenes have more than a handful of active players.

Gardex · Oct 24, 2011

I'm going to assume that Chiii and I will be repping Norway

Marcbri · Oct 24, 2011

I'll have my list tonight.

Meru. · Oct 24, 2011

Make Peach and Sheik top tier please. Especially the former.

Thanks in advance.

Laem · Oct 24, 2011

Yaaay said:
Make Peach and Sheik top tier please. Especially the former.

Thanks in advance.

You got it.

...

o_O

Honestly Akuma getting 9 more people shouldnt be too hard, just a coupla top players (LP, Staco, Blub, quik, semifer, light etc) and like gheb and crysis or desti
France shouldnt have trouble gettin 9 either
Spain on the other hand... marcbri greward rydle.. then who xD

Greward · Oct 24, 2011

i'd put raw / joannett / edu for spain, aside of we 3

Marcbri · Oct 24, 2011

These are the voters from Spain

Marcbri
Greward
Rydle
Joannett88
Edu
Raw

Schwa · Oct 25, 2011

As far as I know, Finland has the largest brawl scene in the Nordic countries with about 30 active players (Norway comes close but Finland has tournaments a bit more often, Sweden has no scene, and I'm quite sure Denmark has a smaller scene than Finland), so having 2 or 3 voters from Finland would be a bit more logical than only one.

Is having Sweden on the list reasonable, considering the fact that they don't even have brawl tournaments?

So our representative receives a PM and gathers the other voters' votes and sends them back to you?

I'll listen to what our scene has to say about who'll represent Finland, I'll let you know when we've decided that.

Marc · Oct 25, 2011

If Sweden's situation is that bad we can remove them, no one stepped up for that country anyway. I wouldn't be too opposed to Finland having two votes, but a scene of 30 people isn't that big. Furthermore, you banned a character that is legal for literally every other voter and I'm not sure what that means for your perspective. But yeah, let me know who your scene would like to vote and we'll go from there. Assume two voters at most though.

Anaky · Oct 25, 2011

Aight Marc Myself, Calz, Cong & C.R.Z have sent our results in already. Im still trying to get in contact with Kasper if he doesn't respond im going to get J.Miller to do it because Kasper has been really inactive lately.

Slhoka · Oct 25, 2011

Anaky said:
Aight Marc Myself, Calz, Cong & C.R.Z have sent our results in already. Im still trying to get in contact with Kasper if he doesn't respond im going to get J.Miller to do it because Kasper has been really inactive lately.

Thank you for being that active. So far, UK's reactivity is the best by far.

Also, some of you (Edu, Rydle, King Funk) did not complete the last question : don't forget there's a second page

I can understand that it's a bit long and you may not have the time to do it. That's why I would advise you to prepare your list beforehand.

Gardex · Oct 25, 2011

Chiii and I sent in our results yesterday btw

Marcbri · Oct 25, 2011

Both Edu and Rydle asked me for the deadline and told me they would wait for they final answer

Marc · Oct 25, 2011

It's in the OP.

Marcbri · Oct 25, 2011

Marc said:
It's in the OP.

Yeah I know, I was just answering Slhoka as to why they didn´t complete the vote xD. Need to get used to quote more because if I don´t it gets confusing without context lol.

Susi · Oct 26, 2011

Yeah MK is banned in Finland, but we've had one MK banned tournament so far

Claff · Oct 26, 2011

I can submit a vote for Sweden, if that's okay.

Anaky · Oct 26, 2011

All UK players have submitted their surveys btw.

~ Gheb ~ · Oct 27, 2011

Germany hasn't even started afaik

Marc · Oct 27, 2011

I'll start pressuring people next week.

Claff · Oct 27, 2011

Ignored? I can submit a survey on behalf of Sweden within the next couple of days, if that's okay.

Chiko_ · Oct 27, 2011

Including Sweden is only reasonable in a geographical sense. I cannot get behind allowing someone with no relation to the European smash scene to come here and leave their mark on the tier list.

But for what it's worth, Izaw checks out. The rest, not so much.

King Funk · Oct 27, 2011

Slhoka said:
Thank you for being that active. So far, UK's reactivity is the best by far.

Also, some of you (Edu, Rydle, King Funk) did not complete the last question : don't forget there's a second page
I can understand that it's a bit long and you may not have the time to do it. That's why I would advise you to prepare your list beforehand.

Sometimes I start it and I stop doing it. I'm doing it for good on sunday.

Marc · Oct 27, 2011

Claff said:
Ignored? I can submit a survey on behalf of Sweden within the next couple of days, if that's okay.

Sorry, I missed your post earlier.

Chiko_ said:
Including Sweden is only reasonable in a geographical sense. I cannot get behind allowing someone with no relation to the European smash scene to come here and leave their mark on the tier list.

But for what it's worth, Izaw checks out. The rest, not so much.

Pretty much this. If there's to be someone for Sweden, I want one of their best players.

Slhoka · Oct 28, 2011

Alright, I've got 18 complete answers so far. UK and Norway are done. Good stuff guys!

As for the French, getting voters is not that easy, I don't know when they'll start voting.

Slhoka · Oct 31, 2011

Complete answers :
UK, Norway

Gheb, Luigi_player, Marcbri, Greward, Chair, iStudying, Marc, Mr-R, Orion, T.

Incomplete : Edu (twice lol), King Funk (twice as well lol), Crysis/Desti

Marcbri · Oct 31, 2011

hum, this last tourney has changed my mind on a couple of characters. running the vote again can change my votes?

Nintenpro · Oct 31, 2011

Marcbri said:
hum, this last tourney has changed my mind on a couple of characters. running the vote again can change my votes?

Ike top tier ?

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