Captain Falcon vs Peach

As a start, the following things should be the basis of discussion (this is the kind of information I want for the summary, which unlike last time will be kept short):

Videos:
lordhelmet vs Mikey Lenetia

General Summary/Pointers:

1. Camp Peach with spaced Bairs and (RAR'd) Uairs
2. Edgehog carefully against her as her umbrella has hitboxes
3. Know that her only good killing moves are Fair and Usmash
4. DI Peach's combos carefully
5. Shieldgrab Peach's Dair
6. Keep her in the air and spam Uair, she has the worst airdodge in the game

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   Stage Counterpicks:
2. Battlefield
3. Smashville

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   Stage Bans:
2. Jungle Japes

Let's get some activity. Feedback/criticism is welcome until we get the ball rolling.

Discuss.

Falcon shouldn't have a hard time living against her, but dealing out some damage could prove troublesome. She also has a chain grab on falcon until roughly 30-40%.

ive been using peach quite a bit, im not too familiar with her terminology, but watch out for Float Canceled aerials (??? not sure if its the right name), at low percents she can do some funky stuff like FC Nair->grab

-One of the easiest characters to knee in the game
-Bair mixups are something to be afraid of especially since it can combo for quite awhile sourspot wise
-DI away when getting hit by any of her aerials cuz they will lead to more oppurtunities for peach
-Make wise decisions when getting juggled
-Learn how to react/punish each float canceled aerial
-Utilize turnips as they can easily lead to small but damaging combos
-Stay close to her or mid-range at all times unless your ahead
-Space moves or get naird
-Dash dance=effective approach

There was something about peach's jab that I forgot to mention but I guess'll remember later or so...

You can't shield grab peach's Dair when its well spaced + captain falcon has poor grabbing range, so we're going to have to think of another way to do a comeback or something.

Another thing you should keep in mind is when you wanna do your jab+grab combos on her because she can easily interfere with jabs.

Grimmz said:

You can't shield grab peach's Dair when its well spaced + captain falcon has poor grabbing range, so we're going to have to think of another way to do a comeback or something.

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what about uAir OOS?
doesnt peach also have jab->ftilt as a true combo?

Calvo819 said:

what about uAir OOS?
doesnt peach also have jab->ftilt as a true combo?

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Uair OOS is 10 frames
The opening to punish dair is 9 frames:<
Shield grab is 7 I believe and yea that can combo/

Another thing you should avoid is getting hit by peach's side-B even if you shielded it, because most players attempt to attack right back and they always end up getting caught in her Dair right after and their attack never hits unless it has good range or something. But we all know that falcon doesn't have a lot of safe moves. After her side-B hits it pushes her back into a decent amount of space for her to not get hit by your attack and to do a Dair>Uair>Uair(or just one Uair) which becomes a combo. So don't try to do a comeback right away, instead do one high jump and slide the control stick down>Bair or Uair, there's like a half chance she'll get hit by either one WHILE SHE'S DOING HER D-AIR. But keep in mind not all peach mains will attempt to do a Side-B on you.

I have fallen for the Side-B>Dair>Uair>Uair a lot of times in the past for being an idiot and trying to do a quick comeback instead of playing safe and waiting for the right moment.

I can get upair oos sometimes, it's probably better to go with falcon dive though.

if we feel like being fancy, if she misses her side b, we could probably get her with AC dAir>Read>Follow up, tho i feel the follow up would most likely be a uAir


ALSO, we should note that her pivot grab is slow as **** BUT has really good range

I fought 2 or 3 Peaches at a tournament a few weeks ago. The Dairs and turnips were really eating me alive.

However, I found that dash danced u smash and f smash worked well since Peach's Dair duration is so long. Falcon's dash is amazing for stuff like that. It's just long enough to get out the way, and then his sliding/no sliding u smash or Salmon Fsmash has excellent range when they receive attacks.

It's still not an easy match up at all. My vote is 40-60

air dodge and grab those turnips yo.

Check this out to see how much damage peach's turnips can if they have a certain face. And a few other items she can pull out of the ground. (Make sure you scroll down and go to where it says vegetables in-depth)

BE CAREFUL TRYING TO UP-B DAIR

Good Peaches will bait it by grazing your shield with Dair and Uair lock you (And it hurts...)

I actually played my first Peach vs Falcon about a month ago (Lost though because I failed to tech something) It's not very hard but Falcon can abuse her addiction for floating and terrible air dodge for some cool Uair stuff. Pay attention to if she has a turnip when shes above you for obvious reasons I assume you could just catch it by timing the Uair but it may be a distraction for her to get back on the ground. Don't try to punish Fair, she'll just Frame 2 jab you if you shield it. DI Up through uair.

be careful ledgeguarding, Peach can Fair onto the ledge and jab any potential punishment.

To me it just seems like Falcon will wanna use lots of Uair but he still has to pay a lot of attention to her actions. A lot of his psuedo combos wont work as well because Nair is so fast. I just mash A (in any matchup) when I get caught in something and nair usually gets me out.

Edit: Also pay attention to the peach's float habits. If you get an idea whether they're floating to bait a reaction outta you, or to autocancel a fair, or dair you i speculate they'd be Knee of Justice bait. When Peach gets in the air they generally already have an idea of what they're gonna do, so every Float is a commitment sort of.

Just saying now with new di standards I feel it is no longer 40-60 but slightly closer...

Aslo side b can just be fsmash or dsmash with timing or falcon dived if you wanna be a noob about it.

Work on catching and insta throwing turnips.
Use turnips for more creative game play with jump cancel throws and Z-dropping them.
Aerial spacing will save you from nair and our bair beats out ALL her aerials.

and z-dropping turnips can lead to some neat nair "combos"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyg0MxBrJQk

Any tips? There's a good chance of facing him in tourney for me

What do you guys think about taking Peach to Brinstar? Falcon does really well on that stage.

Brinstar is REALLY Good for Peach, I wouldn't.

Edit: from my understanding. I have Gdubs so I never use Peach there.

Yeah peach down smashing one of the ends and extending that hitbox while you're recovering sucks lol.