Hades, Master of the Underworld, Support Thread

Supporter's List: Sakurai and anyone who values their soul.


What next? I think I'll add a few videos and maybe a moveset. But for now, I must bid you adieu!

Palutena fights in Uprising, and is given more than enough for a moveset, not to mention she has light powers, where you can easily create original moves in addition for, much like how Ice Climbers got ice moves simply by being associated with ice.

That being said, I am really glad I didn't have to make this and that someone else jumped on the idea, he clearly would be a solid choice, and is the most likable Nintendo villain I've seen in its entire history.

Holder of the Heel said:

and is the most likable Nintendo villain I've seen in its entire history.

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That is all.

Z'zgashi said:

That is all.

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You did indeed pick the correct villain. If you'd have said , there would've been problems.

Well played.

Lucky for us, Bowser is already in the game.

Z'zgashi said:

That is all.

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This man knows what he's doing. I fully endorse this post. 10/10.

Perhaps, but a lot of those feelings are from the fact he is so iconic. In the RPG games and in some of the 3D Mario games he is given a great personality, but Hades is much more fleshed out and a pleasure to hear him talk nonstop. With Bowser you probably don't get that amazing personality which can pull that off.

I still say that Hades should make a cameo in a hypothetical Kid Icarus smash taunt.

I definitely want Hades in some form. If not playable, he would be an excellent boss for Smash 4's adventure mode.

He seems like he could be a playable character... I haven't played the new Kid Icraus game yet but that picture makes him seem like a legitimate bad guy. Which imo in smash almost all the roster has in someway. This could be like the Link to Ganondorf scenario. He just looks way too cool.

more villains would be welcome...really hope he makes the third slot instead of medusa

While I don't think he has any shot, he's still one of the best Nintendo characters and arguably the best Nintendo villian ever (eat it Ganondorf). I may be on Palutena's side, but Hades still has my support.

Hyper_Ridley said:

I definitely want Hades in some form. If not playable, he would be an excellent boss for Smash 4's adventure mode.

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Undoubtedly. If he's not playable, that's the only thing that would truly do him justice. I just hope with how ridiculously powerful he is, Sakurai would give him a worthwhile fight.

let's just hope the developers recast the same voice actor and translating team to Hades' dialogue. Otherwise we'll be getting awkardly translated Japanese Hades dialogue, read by a sound-alike.

I wouldn't mind Hades as a playable character, but I see him better as a boss than anything. I would also prefer Medusa, honestly.

Junahu said:

let's just hope the developers recast the same voice actor and translating team to Hades' dialogue. Otherwise we'll be getting awkardly translated Japanese Hades dialogue, read by a sound-alike.

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Oh dear god yes.

Thankfully, Sakurai's the director of both games. Otherwise, I'd be far more worried.

I would love Hades to be playable, even if it's a bit of a longshot.

Nah......Palutena and Medusa first. Hades should be a boss, and Magnus as a Assist.

KingRidley said:

Nah......Palutena and Medusa first. Hades should be a boss, and Magnus as a Assist.

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Palutena is pretty obvious, but. . .

Medusa fans/supporters, quick question. Are there any of you that started supported her -after- the release of Uprising? Hades very clearly one ups her in that game, and that game is the reason why Uprising is getting such excessive representation. Most Medusa supporters seem to just ignore this and continue their support like nothing happened.

To be honest, I still somewhat support Medusa, but Hades comes before her IMO. If I could choose 5 reps for KI, I'd have Pit, Palutena, Medusa, Hades, and Magnus, but not necessarily chosen in that order after Pit.

If Medusa had been a naga though, no matter how great a villain Hades turned out, I'd be supporting Medusa like mad.

I thought it would be good to get some potential moveset discussion started, so I tried my hand at creating special moves.

Neutral Special: Destruction Ensemble
Hades spreads his arms as a bio-mechanical node appears on his chest. It takes .5 seconds to complete the summoning process. Once this node is summoned, it will fire a purple energy shot straight ahead every 3 seconds. The shot deals 3% and moderate knockback on impact. While the projectile itself isn’t particularly powerful, the node fires these passively while Hades is free to do other things, and the node will not disappear until Hades has taken 20% since summoning it. Performing this move while Hades already has an active node will “heal” it, resetting the damage Hades must take before losing it.

Side Special: Alpha Strike
With a single hand, Hades claws at the air in front of himself as dark energy leaks from his hand, dealing 5% and moderate set knockback. This has low startup lag but noticeable end lag. If the attack connects, struck opponents have a purple tint that lasts for 4 seconds. If there is at least one opponent afflicted with this strange condition, Hades can use a smash input for this special in order to snap his fingers, causing all affected characters to take 11% and strong vertical knockback in a burst of darkness. There is some startup time to “detonate” the characters, but it deals respectable shield damage, forcing opponents to perform dodges if they want to completely avoid the attack.

Up Special: Omega Leap
Hades leaps upwards and slightly forwards, going right off the top of the screen, before crashing back down to the ground in a mighty magical explosion. The explosion deals 12% and good knockback, but the overall move has punishable end lag and there is no hitbox to the attack besides the explosion. On the other hand, it has low startup lag and it basically gives Hades an infinite vertical recovery.

Down Special: Dark Winds
Hades slams the ground with his fist, causing a purple-tinted tornado to form about 1/5 of Battlefield in front of him. It is as wide as Kirby and as twice as tall as Ganondorf, and lasts for 5 seconds. Enemies take 1% every .5 seconds they remain in the tornado, and all characters including Hades have their jumps doubled in strength while inside it and have 0 fall speed, acting similar to the wind in Pokemon Stadium 2. It takes .5 seconds to summon the tornado and Hades may only have 1 in play at a time, deleting the current one if he tries to summon another.

He wouldn't be my first choice for a Kid Icarus playable newcomer, but he is one of the characters I'm hoping will be a boss, I think he'd be perfect for it. I think he might be my most wanted boss character.

However, if the Adventure Mode is dialogue-less again, it would be an insult to Hades. Even if he was the only character to have lines in the entire Adventure, I'd be satisfied.

"What's this? Seems I'm the only one that's special enough to have dialogue in this silent film of a story. Very shrewd, Mr. Sakurai, very shrewd. No matter! You probably thought you were done with me after Kid Icarus Uprising, didn't you? Spoilers to those who haven't played the game, shame that you haven't yet. Anywho, I am back to wreak some MORE havoc! Try to defeat me if you can, players! I'm not going to go easy..."

Did I capture the Hades charm?

actually...i don't want to start a ridley debate, but i feel it's worth noting. would you all be content with him becoming ganon-sized? i know i'd be fine with it.

Well, he's a god, which means he could change his size however he wants. Size really isn't an issue.

GoldenYuiitusin said:

"What's this? Seems I'm the only one that's special enough to have dialogue in this silent film of a story. Very shrewd, Mr. Sakurai, very shrewd. No matter! You probably thought you were done with me after Kid Icarus Uprising, didn't you? Spoilers to those who haven't played the game, shame that you haven't yet. Anywho, I am back to wreak some MORE havoc! Try to defeat me if you can, players! I'm not going to go easy..."

Did I capture the Hades charm?

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Pretty good.
The best part would be if he made puns of other characters' names (not just Pit). I'm not creative enough to come up with any right now, but I imagine I would have a good laugh over some of them.

Lucidthought said:

actually...i don't want to start a ridley debate, but i feel it's worth noting. would you all be content with him becoming ganon-sized? i know i'd be fine with it.

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I would be fine if Hades (or any other god character like Medusa, Palutena, etc.) was Ganon-sized. It actually makes more sense than the sizes of some of the characters currently in Smash.

I just think he's too...big, same with Medusa. I mean you for an entire level.

I love him as a character and he would make a great boss, but I just don't see him fitting in for anything but a that.

GoldenYuiitusin said:

Well, he's a god, which means he could change his size however he wants. Size really isn't an issue.

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Again, he doesn't have to be gigantic. His size can be whatever he wants.

Palutena showed that Gods can alter their size to be normal sized.

He could even be a light character, but either way it could work. Perhaps medium.

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They are all set to match the backgrounds of posts except for the first one and the one that his blue flame head, they were set up for an avatar. Sorry for the bad quality.

This thread should not be at the bottom of the forum, especially when Hades is such an excellent candidate.

Boss maybe, just maybe...

BKupa666 said:

I agree.

*fans self*

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It wood be hilarious if James Woods did the voice for KI:R Hades in ssb4

Woods has stated many times he loves doing the voice, so I'm sure he'll come back if asked..plus he MADE the movie.

Back on topic, I'm unfamiliar with the Kid Icarus series, but hey if it's another villain, I'm game.

Sorry to bump this too as I look into the archives of different characters, but how would the "loophole" work on him?

We know this is Hades from the KI game, but indirectly he is based on a greek deity; which didn't originate in a videogame. How can it be possible for him to be there if he is not a vg character. Same applies to Medusa and Dracula from CV.

SSBCandidates said:

Sorry to bump this too as I look into the archives of different characters, but how would the "loophole" work on him?

We know this is Hades from the KI game, but indirectly he is based on a greek deity; which didn't originate in a videogame. How can it be possible for him to be there if he is not a vg character. Same applies to Medusa and Dracula from CV.

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You do realize the whole series is based off greek mythology? Including Pit, who's already in the game.

Turtles didn't originate in video games, but we still have bowser and squirtle in the smash series.

SSBCandidates said:

Sorry to bump this too as I look into the archives of different characters, but how would the "loophole" work on him?

We know this is Hades from the KI game, but indirectly he is based on a greek deity; which didn't originate in a videogame. How can it be possible for him to be there if he is not a vg character. Same applies to Medusa and Dracula from CV.

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Welp, guess we can't have Palutena either.
Paultena = Parutena
Parutena = Pallas Athena, a Greek Goddess.

Guess we can only have Dark Pit.