"We just love being mean!" - The Koopalings invade Smash 4

In case you haven't heard of them, the Koopalings are a clan of elite members of the Koopa Troop dating back to 1988. They are villains of many old and new Super Mario Bros. games, each possessing unique attributes, powers, and weapons. Before I proceed, let's review Sakurai's criteria for a Smasher in Super Smash Bros. Do the Koopalings fit these guidelines?

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to buy the game.
Absolutely! The Koopalings have acquired many fans throughout the years, even more so than Bowser Jr.
2. The character must be unique
Each possess distinguishable abilities, plus the ability to switch between them would be a unique touch.
3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
Definitely, their projectiles and fighting abilities would make them great contenders.
4. They must contribute to the game balance
While being able to switch between 7 character might be overpowered, Sakurai could easily nerf them like he did with Pokemon Trainer. Also, there's no stopping him from including only three or maybe even one.

Now, as for the unique abilities I spoke of earlier, here is a short list for each Koopaling.


Lemmy Koopa
-Can use circus balls to fight (made by magic scepter)
-Spin like a top
-Can generate Goombas which are disguised as clones of himself
-Breathe Fireballs
-Spin inside shell
-Throw bombs


Morton Koopa Jr.
-Use weight to cause earthquakes which stun foes
-Magic blasts
-Shoot spiked balls from his scepter
-Magic hammer
-Breathe fire
-Sonic screech
-Inflate himself like a balloon
-Spit objects


Wendy O. Koopa
-Use wand to create glowing rings
-Create spinys disguised as herself
-Breathe fireballs
-Spin inside shell
-Throw bracelets
-Ice skate


Iggy Koopa
-Rides a Chain Chomp
-Spin like a top
-Spit fireballs (slower, move in an arc)
-Chaotic magic blasts
-Summons lightning to rain down on foes
-Use hair as a spear
-Throw balls
-Produce orbs that could summon Magmaargs
-Tornado attack


Larry Koopa
-Magic blasts
-Spins at extreme speeds inside shell
-Uses bombs as bowling balls
-Uses a tennis racket to spar and hit fireballs
-Manipulates pools of water
-Throws balls


Ludwig von Koopa
-Projectiles from scepter
-Ground pound to stun
-Spin in shell
-Spit fireballs (some of which lock on)
-Long jumps
-Fire electricity
-Teleport in a flash of Lightning
-Tornado attack
-Flutter Jump
-Can create fake duplicates
-Can hover


Roy Koopa
-Ground Pounds
-Magic blasts
-Purple fireballs
-Wields Bullet Bill Blaster
-Spin around in shell
-Full body tackle
-Throw spiked balls


As you can see, there is a lot of potential here. As a Final Smash, perhaps they could all pile into the Koopa Clown Car as pictured here:


So yeah, discuss the Koopalings here. I'll try to make movesets and palette swaps for at least a few of them.

These fellas always seemed like either Assist Trophy material or hazards on a Bowser's Castle stage. I mean, Nintendo seems to have downplayed their importance, despite them reappearing after their decades of absence. Canonically, they retconned them to not even being Bowser's kids.

each is a very unique character, and while I personally would like to have Bowser Jr. to appear as a playable character, it would be really nice to have them in the game too.

and what if Jr. gets in and his FS involves him and the Koopalings wreaking havoc on the stage, by having all of them in a Clown Car, shooting bombs, magic and all kinds of projectiles in all directions?

Opossum said:

Canonically, they retconned them to not even being Bowser's kids.

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They were never intended to be Bowser's kids to begin with. The idea of the Koopalings being Bowser's children came from the North American localization team, along with their individual names being based on varies musicians.

Ah, I see. Thanks. Either way, good old 'Merica confused a boatload of people...

They're not going to put 7 side characters from one series into the game.

On the other hand, they wouldn't just put one or two in either, because that wouldn't be right.

They're more likely to just put in Jr.

It seems too much effort for characters that aren't even that popular, cool idea though. AT seems to be more fitting for them.

Maybe Lugwig, who is consider the leader, fights like N would where each of his attacks was one of his siblings.

SmasherMaster said:

Maybe Lugwig, who is consider the leader, fights like N would where each of his attacks was one of his siblings.

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That would be the best way to represent all of them as playable characters. Though I think Bowser Jr. would be picked over them if it came down to adding another koopa character.

But I would prefer the Kooplings>Jr.

Hi, I'm kinda new here and accidently posted up a simhilair idea. (oops)
So I'll go ahead what I had in mind in order to implement these guys:

Hi I'm new here, but I have an interesting concept I came up with some days ago.
It is a pity that we haven't seen any playable Koopaling in ANY Mario game, but it is understandable, while immensly iconic, there are so many of them, what to do with them all?

So here is a concept, Koopaling the character...


We love being MEAN!... and stuff...

Basically it is a Koopaling, just what you'd expect, except that he like Wario in SSBB have multiple costumes, but not 2, a whooping 7 (or 8 if you count Bowser.Jr) costumes, all based on the koopalings, preventing the omittion of any of them, and pleasing all.

Ofcourse that means that their moves have to be shared among one another, so no bouncing Iggy Ball or Wendy's rings of doom. Also, the other "costumes" would'nt alter things like proportions, or size or lenght, simply eyes, number of teeth, hair, and accesories...

They're basic attacks could combine aspects from Bowser, with the use of their staff to bash opponents silly. They would be skilled jumpers since they jump REALLY GOOD in the Mario games, but would be lighter and weaker than bowser.

Their B Moves would consist of:

B: Magic Fire: Holding B, you can charge up the wand to throw up to 3 fireballs simhilair to Iggy's fireballs in NSMBU, so just tapping B would result in one fire, and so on. Also, the fireballs are aimed towards the closest opponent in front of the Koopaling.

Forward B: Shell Shock: Like Squirtle, they would spin inside their shell towards a target, and can be charged like Squirtle. Unlike Squirtle (I think) they can jump while in the shell (like in SMB3) but is not as fast as Squirtle's Withdraw.

Up B: Mean Spin: Simhilair to Meta Knight, they spin frantically, if used in the air, they spin upwards, but in any case it can be controlled like MetaKnights, but the hit effect is more akin to Mario's old Mario Spin. The move is based on their spin attack from Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga.

Down B: Ling Pound: Mimicing Bowser, they attempt to crash down hard on the ground... with not as powerfull results. :S

Final Smash (if there will be any): Airship Bombardment: From the top of the screen a huge airship shows it's belly filled with hanging cannons and engines, like in SMB3 it will utilise diagonal cannons, bullet bill turrets, blazing engines and , multidirectional cannons to cause chaos. But unlike SMB3, all the cannons will be HIGHLY powerfull and can easily knock away opponents.

What do you think?

Or... They might work as the Pokemon Trainer.
One of them stays on the fight ground while the other six (or seven if we include Bowser Jr.) stay on the Koopa Clown in the background.

But... Realistically, I think they will be "just" an AT or a Story Mode Boss.

I would love it if they were included as a PKMN Trainer style character. However, they'd need to have Bowser Jr with them unfortunately.

8-peacock-8 said:

I would love it if they were included as a PKMN Trainer style character. However, they'd need to have Bowser Jr with them unfortunately.

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I can't imagine 6 koopalings standing in a row in the background. Including them as pallete swaps of one character.

8-peacock-8 said:

I would love it if they were included as a PKMN Trainer style character. However, they'd need to have Bowser Jr with them unfortunately.

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Why would they?

Bowser Jr is more relevant and would be the reason they got in.

@FalKoopa
They'll be in a koopa clown car in the background.

Double post

Bowser Jr was more relevant in 2008 when Brawl was coming out, but the Koopa Kids have been in many games since then, and have been in games WITHOUT Bowser Jr in it

They can survive without him

Yeah I know they can.

PsychoIncarnate said:

Bowser Jr was more relevant in 2008 when Brawl was coming out, but the Koopa Kids have been in many games since then, and have been in games WITHOUT Bowser Jr in it

They can survive without him

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Actually they have only been in one game without Jr. Vice Versa, since Brawl came out, Jr. has only been in one game without the koopalings.

I like the idea. However I doubt that Sakurai would put out enough effort to do this.

That's why i said they should be pallette swaps of each other occupying one slot.

Do you mean Koopalings as one character? Or as individuals like Larry, Wendy, etc.

8-peacock-8 said:

They'll be in a koopa clown car in the background.

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I actually think thats a better solution. Make them a stage hazard or an assist trophy and have them mirror how they were in New Super Mario Bros 2



Anyone who isnt hidden behind a wall or object gets blasted.

HylianHeroBigBoss said:

Anyone who isnt hidden behind a wall or object gets blasted.

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Unfortunately, most stages have either no walls (Battlefield, FD) or have walls everywhere (Temple, Shadow Moses Island).

FalKoopa said:

Unfortunately, most stages have either no walls (Battlefield, FD) or have walls everywhere (Temple, Shadow Moses Island).

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True, which might make it broken as an assist trophy. But if a stage was designed with it in mind that might work as a hazard.

HylianHeroBigBoss said:

True, which might make it broken as an assist trophy. But if a stage was designed with it in mind that might work as a hazard.

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Could be the Bowser's Castle stage!

Them being in the car would be the only way to fit them into one model, which is the only way this will happen. Otherwise Bowser Jr would be the only "koopaling" I could see. And lord knows the clown car is never happening.

A set for all of the Koopalings in one would probably be mostly like what BKupa said with them all in one car, but would just drop off most of the Koopalings as minions rather than directly playable with various attacks. Ludwig would stay in the car at all times as the leader. Them hopping back in aftertheir attack is done would be weird. It might all be contained within one or two Specials, with the Koopaling coming out being determined by charge or randomly.

Of course it's horribly unlikely, but it'd be great. Sad that Jr. is more seriously considered over these guys or even just one of them.

Given you want to produce movesets, have my Iggy.

I don't think it's going to happen, but I'd like to show support. So yea, I'd like this.

With the new Vaneose/Ninna/Neo/Chronobound leak and have many respectable sources backing it.

You will get your wish with playable Koopalings thanks to them being playable character alts for Bowser Jr.

I can't wait to main Wendy!

Elite Gaymer said:

With the new Vaneose/Ninna/Neo/Chronobound leak and have many respectable sources backing it.

You will get your wish with playable Koopalings thanks to them being playable character alts for Bowser Jr.

I can't wait to main Wendy!

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A new leak? Link? (I haven't been keeping up to date with that kind of stuff lately)

andimidna said:

A new leak? Link? (I haven't been keeping up to date with that kind of stuff lately)

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It's under smash 4 leaks. Chronobound made an analysis of it.

I'll take the Koopalings, but only if all of them count as one character. Who needs Ice Climbers?

Koopalings would be overdoing it in my opinion. I think at most, they'll be stage hazards on Mushroom Kingdom U, or just trophies (individual, like the Hunter trophies in Brawl). Bowser Jr. is much more likely, and a much better newcomer choice.

I remember back in Melee a friend told me that Roy was a secret character. And I thought "Oh they made Roy as a clone of Bowser? Neat!".

Bowser Jr. piloting the Koopa Clown Car with the Koopalings as alternate costumes would be awesome.

Blue Ninjakoopa said:

Koopalings would be overdoing it in my opinion. I think at most, they'll be stage hazards on Mushroom Kingdom U, or just trophies (individual, like the Hunter trophies in Brawl). Bowser Jr. is much more likely, and a much better newcomer choice.

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How? they would be character alts for bowser jr. They would take little to no resource time since they have HD models already from Mario kart 8.

Elite Gaymer said:

How they would be character alts for bowser jr. They would take little to no resource time since they have HD models already from Mario kart 8.

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They'd be overdoing it because that's waaay too many Mario characters, even as alts. Alts for Bowser Jr. would have to mean Bowser Jr.'s moveset wouldn't involve his paint brush. Each Koopaling + Bowser Jr. would at best have moves similar to Bowser's. The only way to have unique movesets for all of them would be to make them all separate characters, especially since it's known that each Koopaling has different ways to attack, and that'd just be overdoing it.

Also, could you link to the leaks you mentioned? I tried Google, but couldn't find anything.