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Newbie Mafia 7 v1.1! ovah! Mafia Wins!

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For Newbies


[collapse=Newbies]
Welcome to Newbie Mafia 7!

You will be playing what is known as Mafia. A game of deception. The core of the game is revolved around Mafia and Town. Town are the good guys, while Mafia are the bad guys. Town generally has a larger majority of players, and many more 'power roles' as we call them, to aid them in their victory of exterminating all of the Mafia. Along with these powers and large numbers, they can choose to kill someone they think is mafia once every Day Phase. The only problem is, they don't know who's town or not. Mafia on the other hand, knows their accomplices, and are able to kill one townie every Night Phase. Their drawback is simple, they are clearly outnumbered by town. Ah! I forgot to mention! The game works in Day and Night phases, just like real life. During the Day time, the town as a whole (this includes mafia) discuss amongst themselves who should be killed (or whether they should kill at all). During the night while everyone sleeps, the mafia discuss amongst themselves who shall suffer a taste of hot lead.

Now there were other aspects of the game i lightly touched on, but didn't fully explain. They will be listed in the sections below.

[collapse=Power Roles? What's that?]The regular townie and regular mafia (these are also known as vanilla townies, or vanilla mafia). can do nothing but vote towards a kill during their respective phases. However there are other roles that are allowed to do much more. For example, cop is a town aligned, therefore they are teamed with townies. Just like vanilla townies, they vote towards who they feel is scum. During the night time, cop can investigate one person, and find out their alignment. Doctors work the same way, as they can also choose someone during the night time, however their role makes it so that if that chosen person gets killed by mafia, they will be revived before sunrise! These power roles are extremely important to town winning in most situations. Generally speaking, these roles should be kept under wraps until direly needed.

Of course, it wouldn't be fair if mafia didn't have their own roles. Mafia has 'roleblocker', a person who stops a townie power role in their tracks. This can prevent doctors from saving, and cops from investigating.

Now that all of the basic things are out of the way, we will now go into who is playing the game with you. [/collapse]

[collapse=Resources]*these links ripped from Xiivi for resource use*
Newbie Guide
Rules
Roles[/collapse] [/collapse]

For ICs
[collapse=IC's (inexperienced challenged)]There are a few things I ask for (and expect) to happen during this game.

1) Please be respectful to the other players.
Although you all have far more experience than the players around you. These games are for the newbies. Make this a fun experience for everyone.
2) You are here to teach
Explain what should happen throughout the game in certain situations. Newbies tend to become inactive without a gentle nudge in the right direction.
3) You are here to win.
While you are here to teach, you are also here to win. With that being said, you need to have a perfect blend of both rules 2 and 3. Win condition comes first, teaching comes later. If you come to a point where you have deceived someone to meet your win condition, tell them what they did wrong, or why you did what you did.

If you would like to know more ways of being a good IC, read here Being a good IC
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For Everyone

[collapse=Rule Set : By xiivi]Rules:
1) Please enjoy this game and do not act in a manner that would make the game unenjoyable for others! (This includes personal attacks!)
2) The game mod is the game god. However, if you feel the game god happens to be testing your faith by placing an error in the game, then please feel free to point it out!
3) Editing your posts is not allowed, and multi-posting is instead encouraged in its place. Any and all edits will be reversed!
4) If you are allowed to communicate with another player outside of this thread, then please follow the communication instructions within your role PM!
5) Do not quote role PMs or any other form of communication with the Game Mod unless your role PM explicitly states you can (in which case follow the instructions in your role PM). Failure to comply will result in a modkill. You may paraphrase your role PM as you see fit, but keep everything in your own words!
6) Once all role PMs have been sent, please confirm by quoting your role PM back to me along with the symbol in rule #8. This thread will be unlocked once all players have confirmed.
7) All votes must follow the format of "Vote: NAME".
8) You are not required to unvote, however if you do, then please use the format of "Unvote:"
8a)♥.
9) No Lynch is a valid vote target.
10) A lynch will occur when a majority of votes has been reached.
11) If a majority has not been reached, then No Lynch is forced as the lynch target.
12) A) Deadline for the Day Phase will equal a time of eight days.
12) B) Deadline for the Night Phase will equal a time of two days.
13) During any day phase a player may perform the command "Request: Deadline Extension". The deadline will be extended by 4 days if a majority of players perform this command. This can only be done once over the course of the game and the deadline will not be extended for any other reason.
13a) For the sake of Newbie Mafia, the first day phase will be given an extra four days (a free deadline extension) so that newbies can be comfortable with their roles and the game plan.
15) Since this is a semi-open game, there will be no Twilight Phase.
16) After your death you are allowed one bah post. This post is to be short, not game breaking, and in no way harmful to another player.
17) You are expected to post at least once every 48 hours. If you are not active for a period longer than 48 hours, you will receive a prod. If you do not post in thread with-in 48 hours of prod, you will be replaced. Multiple prods will result in replacement at moderator's discretion. If you have pre-planned absence, then please notify the game mod ahead of time and you will not be prodded. However if your absence is for an unreasonable amount of time, you may be forcibly replaced regardless of advance notification.
18) Failure to adhere to rules will result in replacement or modkill based on the moderator's discretion.
19) Please avoid using HTML and coloured font in your posts. All colours used in this post are strictly forbidden for use as they are the colours the game moderator will be using.
20) You may ask questions to the game moderator using the command: "@Mod: ___".
21) Please do not post in code, hidden text, or languages other than English.
22) You may not post screenshots [print screens] or anything resembling a screenshot [print screen].
23) Hydras may freely quote text logs of conversations, after all it's only the playerslot talking to itself. Sadly, hydras are not allowed to play in this game.
24) You may not quote logs of communication with other players if your role PM allows you to communicate with other players outside of this thread. You are free to paraphrase.
25) You are allowed to claim anti-town. However you are not allowed to claim anti-town and that another player is anti-town with you (either explicitly or implicitly). This will result in an automatic loss for your faction.[/collapse]

[collapse=Setups]
This is an Open Set-up, where the game may be one of the following setups
[A] 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies
2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Doctor, 6 Vanilla Townies
[C] 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Sane Doctor, 5 Vanilla Townies
[D] 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Vanilla Townies

[collapse=Roles][collapse=Vanilla Townie]You sit in your room, stuffed from a long feast with your fellow competitors. You think to yourself

"Why would they be willing to give out so much money..?"

Before you can complete your thought, a knock on your door happens. You walk to the door and a card is slipped through the cracks. You open the door, and the hallway is empty; only the card reminds. After taking the card, you realize that it is your role in the Liar Game...

"You are a Vanilla Townie, your only power is your wit, your vote, and your strength in numbers.

Your downfall?

You don't know your fellow comrades.

During the day phase you discuss with town who you feel is mafia, and vote towards that same person. During the night phase you do nothing. Good luck to you and thank you for playing the Liar game."[/collapse]


[collapse=Sane Cop]You sit in your room, stuffed from a long feast with your fellow competitors. You think to yourself

"Why would they be willing to give out so much money..?"

Before you can complete your thought, a knock on your door happens. You walk to the door and a card is slipped through the cracks. You open the door, and the hallway is empty; only the card reminds. After taking the card, you realize that it is your role in the Liar Game...

"You are a Sane Cop you lucky person you!. During the Day phase you talk amongst town to find mafia, and vote towards those same people. However during the night, you can ask the Narrator/Moderator about one person's alignment, and it will be given to you. Your sanity is guaranteed.

Your Downfall?

Upon revealing yourself, your death is surely near. Be safe, and thank you for playing the Liar Game.[/collapse]


[collapse=Sane Doctor]You sit in your room, stuffed from a long feast with your fellow competitors. You think to yourself

"Why would they be willing to give out so much money..?"

Before you can complete your thought, a knock on your door happens. You walk to the door and a card is slipped through the cracks. You open the door, and the hallway is empty; only the card reminds. After taking the card, you realize that it is your role in the Liar Game...

"You are a Sane Doctor you lucky person you!. During the Day phase you talk amongst town to find mafia, and vote towards those same people. However during the night, you can ask the Narrator/Moderator to aid one person during the night. If that person happens to be shot down by mafia, you will be there to revive him before sunrise.

Your Downfall?

Upon revealing yourself, your death is surely near. Please note that you can not doctor yourself (i mean seriously, you would be a really good doctor if you could). Be safe, and thank you for playing the Liar Game.[/collapse]


[collapse=Vanilla Mafia]You sit in your room, stuffed from a long feast with your fellow competitors. You think to yourself

"Why would they be willing to give out so much money..?"

Before you can complete your thought, a knock on your door happens. You walk to the door and a card is slipped through the cracks. You open the door, and the hallway is empty; only the card reminds. After taking the card, you realize that it is your role in the Liar Game...

"You are a Mafia Goon Oh evil person, you're on the bad guy's side! During the day, you try to confuse town as discreetly as possible, and get them to kill their own comrades. Luckily for you, you know your partner, who is ____________. During the night, you will vote with your partner on a person to kill.

Your Downfall?

You have to work harder, and lie harder than any other player. You're clearly outnumbered by town, so you have quite a way to go for victory. However that makes it that much sweeter.. Thank you for playing the Liar Game.[/collapse]


[collapse=Mafia Roleblocker]You sit in your room, stuffed from a long feast with your fellow competitors. You think to yourself

"Why would they be willing to give out so much money..?"

Before you can complete your thought, a knock on your door happens. You walk to the door and a card is slipped through the cracks. You open the door, and the hallway is empty; only the card reminds. After taking the card, you realize that it is your role in the Liar Game...

"You are a Mafia Roleblocker Oh evil person, you're on the bad guy's side! During the day, you try to confuse town as discreetly as possible, and get them to kill their own comrades. Luckily for you, you know your partner, who is ____________. During the night, you will vote with your partner on a person to kill. If that isn't enough! You choose one person every night who will be 'roleblocked'. If this person is a doctor, they will not doc, if a cop, they will not cop.

Your Downfall?

You have to work harder, and lie harder than any other player. You're clearly outnumbered by town, so you have quite a way to go for victory. However that makes it that much sweeter.. Thank you for playing the Liar Game.[/collapse] [/collapse]

[/collapse]

[collapse=Players]

[Signed up]
Cello_Marl (IC)
Vult Redux (IC)
Vanderzant(IC)
Tom (SE)
X1-12
Swiss
Isuyaru
Riddle
Writer Kupo


[Alive]
Cello_Marl (IC)
Vult Redux (IC)
Vanderzant(IC)
Tom (SE)
X1-12
Swiss
Isuyaru
Riddle
Writer Kupo


[Dead]
no one


[/collapse]


You have been randomly invited to the Liar Game. A game of which deception is the only path to survival. Your next game assigns you with 8 other players. You're all escorted from the entrance to a luxurious hotel. Inside you all feast upon some of the finest meals that could be offered in the western hemisphere. While you feast, a young, well dressed individual wearing a white mask, slowly walks through the entrance. You first notice his white mask, covered with small but detailed designs, you then notice his cold, steel grey briefcase that he grips intently. His anonymous gaze pans across the room, then with a confident roar he speaks.

"I would like to welcome you all to the Liar Game, where your lies and deceitful qualities are rewarded with the most magnificent of prizes"

He turns to his side and lays his briefcase onto a wooden oak table. The briefcase makes a loud thud before settling into it's position. Whatever he was holding, was packed tightly, there were no trailing sounds of light items rustling inside of his case. He then looks at everyone again, then turns back to click open his briefcase. It makes a crackling noise, like a old opening door. Everyone's chatter and bliss comes to a progressive halt, as he rotates the briefcase into our direction. The case is filled with American Dollars, 20 million dollars the man later tells us.

"Among the 9 of you, some of you will be receiving a hefty cut of this 20 million dollar grand prize."

He closes the briefcase quickly, and continues his speech.

"The game you will be playing is called Mafia. This game is the epitome of deception, for while I will assign you all to teams, you will not be able to trust anyone. At the edge of the door there is a pamphlet telling you all the rules necessary to be known for this next event. I will expect you all to read this pamphlet as deeply as possible, for it will be the only information you can trust. Good luck to you all."


As the man leaves, the dinner continues as usual, but not for long. Having the 20 million dollars of cash in sight ruined many of the competitors appetites. Everyone got up and leisurely walked to the door to receive their pamphlets, with so much money on the line, it would be insane not to study the game at all.

And so the night comes to a close, and we all wait for this game of mafia to begin..


A New Day Begins
Day One

[Collapse=Introduction]
The nine of you wake up approximately at 9:00am. As you walk out of your room, you see everyone else as fatigued as you; the pressure of millions of dollars being on the line can cause lack of sleep for quite the majority. One of you however is as chipper as ever. The host walks out of a farther door dressed sharply in his tuxedo and plastic mask. He asks for everyone to follow his lead as he confidently walks throughout the halls of the mansion. As you follow, you wonder how many times he's taken this trek; how many times has he said his speech to the masses? The tour across the mansion takes what feels to be hours, however the area is eventually reached.

"This is where Day one of Mafia will begin" the host calmly explains to the group. "You will all sit amongst this table and discuss who should be the first to die, or if anyone should die at all."

He directs his hand towards the circular table to show that this is where the Day will be simulated, then in a swift motion directs towards a door.

"This door here, will simulate your lynches and kills. Whoever dies, will stay in this room where they can speak to only the other dead. Do not worry, nothing of suffering will happen beyond these doors; only the pressure of being in debt."

He walks away from the door, and moves towards the door that the group entered from.

"I will be watching you all via camera, giving you hour by hour updates on what you all have agreed upon, I will also be punishing you accordingly if you misbehave. That being said, may the best team win.​
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Votes

Cello_Marl ()
Vult Redux ()
X1-12 ()
Tom ()
Vanderzant()
Swiss ()
Isuyaru ()
Riddle ()
Writer Kupo()

Not Voting: Cello_Marl ,Vult Redux ,x1-12 ,The_Guide ,Vanderzant ,Swiss ,Isuyaru ,Riddle, Writer Kupo ($$$$$$$$$)

It takes 5/9 to lynch.
 

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Vote: Cello

For being so longwinded last game. D:

And random Tom lynch still isn't cool.
 

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who do you have beef with for switching to him?


with you on cello though

Unvote

Vote: Cello_Marl
Cello, as it was his idea. I get WHY he did it, but it was still really spur-of-the-moment random.
 

Isuyaru

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Hey. I'm gonna be V/LA for a very long time starting around the time Day 3 will probably start, so rather than risk it becoming a problem, I asked for the mod to replace me. I'll try to be active until the mod finds that replacement.

Swiss is right, guys, come on.

Vote: X1-12
 

Vult Redux

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Oh golly oh gee I want to vote X1-12 but I'm not sure if it's the hammer!!!

Whom should I vote for, Mr. Kupo?
 

Cello_Marl

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who do you have beef with for switching to him?
Don't really see what that has to do with THIS game.

Cello, as it was his idea. I get WHY he did it, but it was still really spur-of-the-moment random.
I did it to gather information which could only be attained in that fashion, and solidify my own personal theories. Isuyaru was very quick to jump on that wagon rather than take the much more reasonable position of saying that a No Lynch would have been my fault rather than his. Why? To avoid publicity. It was something he had done throughout the game; he was all too willing to ask questions, but had no interest in actually pursuing the answers.

That "WTF-lynch" was the best thing that could have happened to us. (Sidenote: @Tom: Sorry for making you read through all of that material only to get lynched)

Someone else vote for X1-12, please. I swear I won't immediately hammer. Immediately.

My opinion on Writer Kupo goes unsaid, but it is there. If you know me, you know what it is, maybe. Hint, it's similar to my opinion of Riddle, although Riddle still has use.

Also, I'm not going to act as an IC for this game. Three to start, then two, will be enough. On that note, @Roxy, I asked my brother if he was interested in playing and he said he'd consider it. He'll contact you if he decides to sign up as a replacement.
 

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Cello, you're absolutely right about me not following through with questions because I was scum, but your logic regarding my vote on Tom is rather faulty (note: I admit I'm likely biased, but I'm trying to think about it objectively). My logic was that my supposed reasons for voting Swiss (I think I didn't mention those either! My mistake) turned out to also apply to Tom, so it would've been hypocritical of me to refuse to switch over. I didn't care about whose "fault" it would be if there was a No Lynch (besides, the lack of activity towards deadline made me unsure that a fifth Swiss vote would appear anyway).

Also, I'm quite sure putting someone at L-1 in a possible quicklynch without giving any reasons is not something that I would do if my goal was to avoid publicity. While I do think it was suspicious, I think your own "trap" clouded your judgment of why it was.

But that doesn't really have to do with this game, does it.

Cello_Marl said:
Someone else vote for X1-12, please. I swear I won't immediately hammer. Immediately.
How long will you wait, then?
 

Cello_Marl

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@Mod: X1-12 is in violation of Rule 25. His faction should suffer an immediate loss.

25) You are allowed to claim anti-town. However you are not allowed to claim anti-town and that another player is anti-town with you (either explicitly or implicitly). This will result in an automatic loss for your faction.
X1-12 said:
NFW! Me and Isu got scum AGAIN!!

Vote: Isu
 

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:/ Cello's right y'know.. I usually look at it during time of hammer (because they'll see flip etc. Etc.) and it was clearly a joke.. However still, Cello is right about that rule, and I really shouldn't change it just because it's a newbie game. Play regularly, if i decide to let the faction lose.. You guys will know.
 

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Don't get mad - get Swiss
If you decide to let the faction lose, will you just PM us their chat again? :D


I think we should just go ahead and lynch X1-12. He's playing like he did last game and he was scum there.

Anyone think we shouldn't lynch? It would probably only take one person to pipe up and be honest and we can lynch someone else instead.
 

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I'm fine with an X1-12 lynch, based off of meta and his current play, but I would definitely prefer that we discuss other people as well.

Don't want any scum skating by.
 

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If you decide to let the faction lose, will you just PM us their chat again? :D


I think we should just go ahead and lynch X1-12. He's playing like he did last game and he was scum there.

Anyone think we shouldn't lynch? It would probably only take one person to pipe up and be honest and we can lynch someone else instead.
what? based on 2 posts in this game, one of which was entirely a joke? this is also my second game, of course I'm gonna try and play it slightly differently to find out what kind of play is good..


Cello, If you want an immediate loss for my faction that means statistically I am likely to be town (which I am), meaning you want an immediate loss for town? why would a townie ever risk something where 7/9 chance you lose. Scum however would really want that since they know I'm town and thus want my side to lose..
 

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I decided to just base this choice upon myself.

From my first view's glance, X1-12 was clearly joking about his claim of being Anti-Town. Usually, this rule applies to when a mafioso has been caught being scum, and before being lynched claims another person is anti-town; an "If i'm going down I'm taking you with me" sort of reaction. X1-12 was in no position of danger when his comment was made; therefore this can't truly apply as game-breaking or a nuisance. This doesn't imply that X1-12 is or isn't mafioso, just applies that he was in no dangerous position to make such a claim and doesn't fit the true meaning of the rule.

While he did break a rule and I agree with that, Newbie Mafia 7 needs to continue to be a learning experience; it would not be so if we end the game after a matter of half a page (40ppp).

In summary...

X1-12, you are off the hook, however please take a look at the ruleset a second time, for if you make another mistake you will be modkilled. Thanks.
 

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Or maybe it's the other way around. I don't know how people like the idea of using mod data, but Roxy made a pretty big deal out of it.
why? cello asked for my faction to insta-lose before the mod had said anything..


Definitely Wagon him, he's 3 out of 5 needed already



also sorry for breaking the rule, I've re-read them and will be more careful
 

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@Mod: Are you sure Tom is aware this game is happening? I ask because there was no confirmation phase, and when I saw your announcement the game was already afoot. He might end up in the same position he and Guide were in last time.

Riddle, you were fine with Swiss suggesting a lynch so soon? Why?

@Isuyaru:

Isuyaru said:
But that doesn't really have to do with this game, does it.
It does if any of X1/Kupo/Riddle decides that it does and expresses that with a vote (oh, wait).

How long will you wait, then?
"Wait" is such a relative term. How long does it take to type out "vote X1-12"? That long.

@X1-12: I didn't care if you were town or not. You broke the rules, and the penalty for breaking that particular rule is faction loss.

However, the fact you strawmanned the hell out of what I did bugs me. Playing by the rules is not equivalent to wanting town to lose. For what purpose are you asking for a wagon; to lynch or to pressure information? What information, if the latter?

Sidenote: It wouldn't be 7/9ths chance. It's 3/4ths.
 

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@X1-12: I didn't care if you were town or not. You broke the rules, and the penalty for breaking that particular rule is faction loss.


Sidenote: It wouldn't be 7/9ths chance. It's 3/4ths.
I broke the rules. Correct but answer this really important question



IF you are town why would you suddenly try to grass me in, calling for an auto-loss for my faction, which 3 times more likely than not to be town.



Asking for a wagon to lynch you, you are scum. because you want town to auto-lose
 

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I have messaged every member of the game that this game is afoot; twice. So unless he has just not seen smashboards he does know.
 

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@Vanderzant: The game being decided due to the first player post is a big deal regardless of X1's faction. That's null.

@X1-12: I already answered this; personal ethics matter more to me than winning. Even if I KNEW you were town, then I'd have called for punitive action just the same. This isn't even a case of "could be interpreted" as a violation; you blatantly and explicitly BROKE THE RULES. Be thankful Roxy showed you mercy, even if he did make the wrong decision.

If you are town, this topic will lead nowhere useful, at least in terms of conversation with you, if you don't reconsider your shortsighted position.

Vult, take your vote off of me or confirm that you really believe my action was scummy. Same to Kupo, though since your vote is more obviously RVS, you taking a position is more important.

Still interested in Riddle's response to my question to him. Why was Swiss's suggestion of lynching X1 acceptable whereas mine of Swiss in Beta Newbie 7 was not?

Vote Riddle
 

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to be PERFECTLY honest, i did make the wrong decision looking back on it. But mainly because of the fact this is a newbie game and they need to know the basics of the actual gameplay (even though that is part of the gameplay... :urg:.
 

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@ mod you have explained clearly your point and DO NOT need to specify anymore. I'm sure we all understand

K, why shouldn't we lynch you X1-12?

So no-one thinks we're being too harsh? Everyone is cool with the lynch? All it'll take is one good townie to admit we're being a little harsh and we can back off - wouldn't want to tunnel after all, someone unbiased would be nice.
 

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Why should i not be lynched? - Because I'm a townie =]
breaking the rules =/= being scum




@Cello: no personal offence is intended here in anyway, but I fail to beleive that anyone would put ethics in front of winning when all that is in question is pointing out the fault. If it was the case that it was a choice of you breaknig the rules or you winning, you might go with ethics, but in this case I can't believe anyone would go with 'ethics' when all that it is is grassing.

People break the rules all the time, people use HTML when it says in the rules you can't. It also says that breaking rules should result in modkill. But I've seen everyone break these, and I've seen you not point it out. Do you only obey (and grass on people) who break the rules you like?
 

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No one is voting for you for breaking the rules. Personally, I'm inclined to lynch you because you'll be a detriment to town, considering not only your recent inability to comprehend human nature, but also your early pursuit of completely unrelated material in what appeared to be totally serious. In contrast, my references were hardly irrelevant, as I used them to refute the basis for votes against me.

X1-12 said, "Do you only obey (and grass on people) who break the rules you like?"

Well, then. That would hardly be sporting would it? Fine. Let's begin with some accountability.

X1-12 said, "People break the rules all the time, people use HTML when it says in the rules you can't. It also says that breaking rules should result in modkill. But I've seen everyone break these, and I've seen you not point it out."

In this point, you are technically correct. The best kind of correct. At least, partially. Breaking the rules does NOT result in a modkill; no, it results in replacement or modkill at the mod's discretion. As such...

@Mod: Swiss, Writer Kupo, Isuyaru, Vanderzant, and myself have all used Quote tags, which are a use of HTML. I am also personally guilty of a second violation, as I italicized the word "are" in post #30. As such, we should all be replaced or modkilled at your discretion. However, after your warning, X1-12 then proceeded to quote someone else's text in post #28. This is a violation of the rules, his second, and should result in his modkill as per your ruling in post #22.
 

X1-12

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No one is voting for you for breaking the rules. Personally, I'm inclined to lynch you because you'll be a detriment to town, considering not only your recent inability to comprehend human nature,
There are many psychologists who would completely disagree with you on this point, Its not my recent inability to comprehend human nature, thats entirely your opinion


but also your early pursuit of completely unrelated material in what appeared to be totally serious. In contrast, my references were hardly irrelevant, as I used them to refute the basis for votes against me.
When did I say your refererences were irrelevant?

X1-12 said, "Do you only obey (and grass on people) who break the rules you like?"

Well, then. That would hardly be sporting would it? Fine. Let's begin with some accountability.

X1-12 said, "People break the rules all the time, people use HTML when it says in the rules you can't. It also says that breaking rules should result in modkill. But I've seen everyone break these, and I've seen you not point it out."
You don't really ever disagree, you say its not sporting, but don't deny it. Your next point is dumb, you are definitely implying that you only grass on people for certain rules, I don't see how people who's "personal ethics" make them grass, but only makes them stick to certain rules?


@Mod: Swiss, Writer Kupo, Isuyaru, Vanderzant, and myself have all used Quote tags, which are a use of HTML. I am also personally guilty of a second violation, as I italicized the word "are" in post #30. As such, we should all be replaced or modkilled at your discretion. However, after your warning, X1-12 then proceeded to quote someone else's text in post #28. This is a violation of the rules, his second, and should result in his modkill as per your ruling in post #22.
Don't be silly, I never suggested that we should all be modkilled for using HTML
 

Riddle

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I meant that X1-12 would be a good lynch if we decided now not that we shouldn't look at other people
 

Cello_Marl

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@Riddle: I don't disagree. However, you were very adamantly against me for suggesting a lynch before everyone had weighed in in the original Newbie 7. What did Swiss do differently to not earn your ire?

@X1-12: Stop using Cockney slang. On that note, "grass" means "traitor or nark", right? What are implying? Why are you ignoring the mod's warning?

X1-12 said:
When did I say your refererences were irrelevant?
You didn't. When did I say you had?

So, you aren't contesting that your question to Writer Kupo was irrelevant then? If so, why did you ask it at all? If not, then explain how it was.

X1-12 said:
Don't be silly, I never suggested that we should all be modkilled for using HTML
But you WERE suggesting that it was against the rules. Do you deny that? If you thought it was, why did you blatantly disregard the warning the mod gave you and perform an action you thought to be illegal? If not, then what rules am I not acknowledging, and therefore "grassing" certain people and not others?

(sidenote: I never actually thought forum tags constituted a use of HTML in terms of the rules. Believing that it is considered a violation of the rules is absurd, and I only suggested it was now to showcase X1-12's folly)
 

Cello_Marl

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@Vult: I'll take that to mean you don't find it scummy, but that a vote on me for pressure is still useful. That's acceptable.
 
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