Any Ness grab release combos?

[Eagleye893]

I've always wondered this, but i never thought it to be possible because of how far away the opponent moves from both air and ground release. Could someone see if there are any possibilities of grab release combos? I thought there was one when playing my friend's lucas yesterday with grab release > dash grab, but it seems too slow.

 

[Man of Popsicle]

Against ness and lucas only.

 

[Eagleye893]

really? in that case is it just dashgrab on ground release and fair/nair on air release? Is there anyone who could do some testing/research on other characters, cause that sucks if it's only ness and lucas... but i sort of expect it.

 

[Man of Popsicle]

40 frames of release is ):

 

[xoxokev]

nothings guaranteed, but you could try to predict what your opponent is going to do and go from there

 

[NintenJoe]

Grab release -> charged Usmash The only safe thing they can do is roll away and wait, all other options are punishable.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Unless your opponent is really slow, no, not really.

 

[FightAdamantEevee]

Can't ness use like Uair or something on Wario from an air release?

 

[YumClock]

I've seen a sick video where Ness grab released his opponent over the edge and spiked.
But if you're talking about ground combos, then I doubt anything'll be usable.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Can't ness use like Uair or something on Wario from an air release?

If the Wario doesn't have a second jump left, yes.

 

[MrEh]

Wario also has to mash out of Ness's grab. If Wario doesn't manually jump out, you can't force him to.

 

[xoxokev]

Wario also has to mash out of Ness's grab. If Wario doesn't manually jump out, you can't force him to.

unless he's hanging over the edge... i think

 

[FightAdamantEevee]

unless he's hanging over the edge... i think

If that's the case, then does that mean that that's a guarunteed dair?

 

[xoxokev]

If that's the case, then does that mean that that's a guarunteed dair?

i think this is the answer to that:

If the Wario doesn't have a second jump left, yes.

 

[thesage]

Edge release to dair works most of the time since they ain't expecting it... Doesn't work in brawl+

 

[mikeHAZE]

i think marth has one but im not sure

 

[kennypu]

i think marth has one but im not sure

marth has one on ness,
were talking the opposite.

 

[MrEh]

Everyone has grab releases on Ness. Whether or not Ness has grab releases on other characaters remains to be tested thoroughly, but I wouldn't expect anything useful.


Ness himself is pretty bad at utilizing grab releases for 2 reasons.

1. Ness cannot force any character to jump release. Jump releasing is the only way to insure a +20 frame advantage on your opponent. Since Ness cannot force this, it becomes extremely unreliable to force jump releases.

2. Ness is too slow to capitalize on most jump releases when they happen anyway.

 

[thesage]

Ness can punish wario if he jump releases... That's it though...

 

[Ref]

Yo yo is your best shot at following up a grab release with a decently safe move....

Eww... I said something Nessedumacational.... For the first time in a while....

 

[PsychoNess]

I like to call it a mind game. I was brawling my friend. He uses CF. I would grab him and pummel until he gets away than u smash for a while. He would try to sheild grab but I grabed him insted. Now this just messes him up in the head.