Autocancel Aerials On Shield Frame Advantage?

[hectohertz]

just playing theorycraft, since pichus autocancel is really fast (2 frames), and his jumps are properly sized so that he can get autocancel aerials in there, what of his aerials has the most shieldstun?

what kind of frame advantage would a perfect autocancel aerial on shield have?
does that give him any frame traps a la peach?

 

[DerfMidWest]

nair is by far the best.
you can get a grab right out of it.

uair can be good too, but I don't recommend it on shield unless you're rising with it.

fair is usually bad if you're opponent knows how to shield DI/buffer roll

 

[KirbyKaze]

Low nair at full power gives 7 net frames of stun and l-cancels for 6. Meaning you can hit nair right before you land and theoretically be +1

That's about it. His other attacks don't have enough stun and his awful range makes it hard for him to be safe from shield grabs on the basis of out-spacing it.

 

[DerfMidWest]

the +1 advantage is enough on most characters to be able to safely get a grab.
It's not fantastic, but it's enough to do some stuff.

 

[hectohertz]

Low nair at full power gives 7 net frames of stun and l-cancels for 6. Meaning you can hit nair right before you land and theoretically be +1

That's about it. His other attacks don't have enough stun and his awful range makes it hard for him to be safe from shield grabs on the basis of out-spacing it.

what about using AC nair though?

 

[DerfMidWest]

what about using AC nair though?

you have two AC aerial windows: before the hitbox is out, and right after the hitbox goes away.
so the first one is useless, as there is no hitbox; therefore no stun.
Nair also acts like a sex kick, so the second AC window is pretty garbage since you have to hit with an early nair, which gives them more time to recover before you hit the ground.

you're better just doing late shffled nairs and getting the +1, because +1 is pretty decent.

I used to use ledgecanceled bairs to pressure shields as well when my opponent was in awkward positions shielding near the ledge, it's pretty escapable though... like... it shouldn't work ever... but people are bad, so you can get away with some jank stuff.