Beta Set Version 3 Prep

[shanus]

Notes so far for possible changes:
-Adjust Links Gravity for Sh aerials off stage
-ZSS (lower shorthop maybe)
-Ganondorf w/ Cape's values for sure
-Lucas can't AC fair and maybe nair
-Boost Sonics fair so its slightly easier to fair AC
-Possibly increase marios SH to make the double air slightly easier

Waiting for more opinions on Cape's set as well. So we can compare/contrast what values should truly be.

Beta Set 3 Feels Perfect:

RSBE01
Smash Bros Brawl (US)

Brawlplusery Codeset V1.1 Beta

WiiRD Codes

Default Settings Modifier [9 lines]
24494A98 80000000
20523300 00000000
04523300 DEADBEEF
42000000 90000000
0417F360 00000104
0417F364 04000A00
0417F368 08010101
0417F36C 01000000
E0000000 80008000

ALR/Lagless Ledges/Dash Cancel Merge [Phantom Wings/Almas, 46 Lines]
80000000 80623320
80000001 00000000
60000006 00000000
60000003 00000001
4A001000 00000000
4A101001 00000000
36000000 00000032
58010000 00000004
DE000000 80008180
58010000 00000060
DE000000 80008180
92210006 00000014
92210008 00000068
9221000A 0000007C
9001000E 00000000
58010000 000000C4
9221000C 00000010
4A000000 805A0100
9221000D 00000000
88A0000C 0000000D
4A00100A 00000000
30000036 00000018
4A001006 00000000
9221000D 00000040
8890000D 0000000C
9421000D 00000040
E2000001 00000000
4800100E 0000007C
30000038 00000005
4A001008 00000000
3400003C BF266666
4A001006 00000000
14000040 4F000000
E2000002 00000000
4800100E 00000068
30000154 00000009
1400015C 00000001
14000150 00000001
E2000001 00000000
4800100E 0000007C
30000038 00000074
86000006 00000040
86910006 40800000
E2000001 00000000
80100001 00000008
62000000 00000001
E200000F 00000000
80000001 00000000
80100000 00000244
62000000 00000000
E0000000 80008000

Level Freezer[Phantom Wings/Almas, 8 Lines]
4A000000 90000000
1416A904 BF800000
22623090 00000014
22623090 0000001C
22623090 00000024
1416A904 3F800000
E0000000 80008000

ASM Codes

Dash Dancing [Phantom Wings, 5 Lines]
C271F474 00000004
81830058 2C0C000E
4182000C C0230040
48000008 FC20D090
60000000 00000000

Shield Stun [spunit262, 6 Lines]
C28753FC 00000005
83810034 8083013C
2C040000 41810014
1F9C000B 3B9C0016
38800005 7F9C23D6
60000000 00000000

P.Trainer No Swap on Death [Y.S./Phantom Wings, 11 Lines]
C2816AF4 0000000A
3E408062 3A523320
3A60FFFF 3E730001
7E732038 1E730244
7E529A14 80120000
2C00001D 41800024
2C000022 4181001C
2C170115 41820014
38A5FFFF 2C050000
40800008 38A00002
7C0802A6 00000000

No Autosweetspot Ledges [spunit262, 7 Lines]
C27812B0 00000006
2C04000A 40A20020
8181003C 816C0018
C00B0010 C02B001C
FC000840 40A10008
38000000 5400CFFF
60000000 00000000

Hitlag Modifier [Phantom Wings/Almas/spunit262, 8 Lines]
C2771EAC 00000003
1C840005 3884000A
39C0000A 7C8473D6
2C040000 00000000
C2876220 00000003
1C840005 38840014
39C0000A 7C8473D6
80660064 00000000

Character Specific Launch Modifiers [Almas, 29 Lines]
C285765C 0000001C
3FA0805A 63BD92C4
2C002F00 4082000C
C3FD0000 480000BC
2C002F20 4082000C
8083C594 48000034
2C002F14 4082000C
8083C59C 48000024
2C002F40 4082000C
8083C574 48000014
2C002F5C 41820008
4E800020 8083C558
3FA0805A 63BD9200
83DD0000 57C5463E
7C052000 4182001C
3BBD0004 3FE0805A
63FF929C 7C1DF800
4082FFE0 4E800020
2C002F20 4082000C
57C0673E 48000028
2C002F14 4082000C
57C0873E 48000018
2C002F40 4082000C
57C0C73E 48000008
57C0A73E 1C000004
3FA0805A 63BD929C
7FBD0214 C3FD0000
EC3F0072 4E800020
60000000 00000000

Character Specific Gravity Modifier [Almas, 14 Lines]
C281CAD0 0000000D
2C080000 4182003C
2C09FFFF 41820034
8088F5A0 3D80805A
618C9200 80AC0000
54A3463E 7C032000
4182001C 398C0004
3C00805A 600092A0
7C0C0000 4082FFE0
4E800020 54A5E73E
1CA50004 3D80805A
618C92A0 7D8C2A14
C2EC0000 EC370072
4E800020 00000000

Constants

No Stale Moves/Keep Fresh Bonus [spunit262]
02FC098A 00110000

Tripping Rate Modifier [KirbyIsCool]
0481CB34 C0220020
045A9340 00000000

Triple Jump Fix [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
04858DCC 38830003

P.Trainer Infinite Stamina: [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
04A8BDAC 60000000

Hitstun [Phantom Wings, spunit262]
02B88F48 00030001
04B87AA8 3EF851EC

FastFall on C-stick MOD [spunit262, Phantom Wings]
0485E27C 40A20008
0485E278 2C000001

PS Mod [spunit262]
04B88F20 00000002

Infinite Replays [3 lines]
040E5DE8 60000000
04953184 60000000
04953224 60000000

Jump/Grav Values [29 Lines]
065A9200 000000DC
0044C440 0134F440
0245C860 0304E440
0445CB60 05448440
0628AC80 0744A440
0834C440 0928AC80
0A35CB60 0B33C530
0C35CB60 0D34C440
0E444440 0F06E440
1145CB60 12448440
1326AC80 14568440
1544C440 1612E830
1744C340 1824C640
1935CB60 1A44C440
1B35CA60 1D45CA30
1E26E640 1F55C640
2043C340 2125CB60
22468550 2335CA60
2534E440 2944EA40
2C28AC80 2E3ECB60
2F34ED40 3F4CCCCD
3F59999A 3F666666
3F733333 3F800000
3F833333 3F866666
3F89999A 3F8CCCCD
3F900000 3F933333
3F966666 3F99999A
3FA00000 3FA66666
3FB33333 00000000

After extensive collab with Cape, here are starter values:

Chara	ID	SH	FH	FF	DGrav	Grav	Filler
Mario	0	1.00	1.00	1.20	1.00	1.00	0
DK	1	0.95	1.00	1.40	1.00	1.00	0
Link	2	1.00	1.03	1.20	1.10	1.05	0
Samus	3	0.80	1.00	1.30	1.00	1.00	0
Yoshi	4	1.00	1.03	1.20	1.18	1.05	0
Kirby	5	1.00	1.00	1.10	1.00	1.00	0
Fox	6	0.90	1.10	1.15	1.20	1.10	0
Pikachu	7	1.00	1.00	1.15	1.00	1.00	0
Luigi	8	0.95	1.00	1.20	1.00	1.00	0
Falcon	9	0.90	1.10	1.15	1.20	1.10	0
Ness	A	0.95	1.03	1.20	1.18	1.05	0
Bowser	B	0.95	0.95	1.20	1.03	0.95	0
Peach	C	0.95	1.03	1.20	1.18	1.05	0
Zelda	D	0.95	1.00	1.20	1.00	1.00	0
Sheik	E	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	1.00	0
Clim 	F	0.80	1.05	1.30	1.00	1.00	0
Marth	11	1.00	1.03	1.20	1.18	1.05	0
G&W	12	1.00	1.00	1.10	1.00	1.00	0
Falco	13	0.90	1.05	1.15	1.20	1.10	0
Ganon	14	1.03	1.05	1.10	1.00	1.00	0
Wario	15	1.00	1.00	1.20	1.00	1.00	0
MK	16	0.85	0.90	1.30	1.10	0.95	0
Pit	17	1.00	1.00	1.20	0.95	1.00	0
ZSS	18	0.90	1.00	1.20	1.05	1.00	0
Olimar	19	0.95	1.03	1.20	1.18	1.05	0
Lucas	1A	1.00	1.00	1.20	1.00	1.00	0
Diddy	1B	0.95	1.03	1.20	1.15	1.05	0
Chariz	1D	1.00	1.03	1.20	1.15	0.95	0
Squirt	1E	0.90	1.05	1.30	1.05	1.00	0
Ivysaur	1F	1.03	1.03	1.20	1.05	1.00	0
Dedede	20	1.00	0.95	1.20	0.95	1.00	0
Lucario	21	0.90	1.03	1.20	1.18	1.05	0
Ike	22	1.00	1.05	1.10	1.03	1.03	0
ROB	23	0.95	1.03	1.20	1.15	1.05	0
Jiggs	25	0.95	1.00	1.30	1.00	1.00	0
Toony	29	1.00	1.00	1.30	1.15	1.00	0
Wolf	2C	0.90	1.10	1.15	1.20	1.10	0
Snake	2E	0.95	1.30	1.20	1.18	1.05	0
Sonic	2F	0.95	1.00	1.30	1.25	1.00	0

 

[The Cape]

How are the opinons on my set going anyway? I dont have access to IRC so I cant check it out.

What I would like to see is have people who play the characters (a small net group) test them out for a bit.

Example:

I would be doing Ganon's values and via PM talking to:
GoodOldGanon
Kaotical
otherbrawlganonhere

And taking their opinions to changing his personal physics around to get him the right feel.

This would be a great way to approach Beta3. We can take Shanus and my sets as starting points, have the people pick which one they think is closest and modify the values slowly until it feels perfect to people who main the character.

 

[shanus]

From what I heard people think it will be better with aerial momentum. I know a few really liked your ganondorf and other heavies, but people were also a pain because they didnt want to test it because of its lower values. However, aerial momentum is coming out soon, so thats the true test for it all.

I played with it for another hour today and it definitely has pretty good values, but just feels too floaty in the air for my preference. We'll see when the game changer comes out soon!

 

[The Cape]

I think that we should wait for aerial momentum to come out at least before Beta 3. That way we can test the values more readily.

Did you like my Fox, Falco, and Ike?

Edit in response to changes:
Try my Link. ZSS is good how she is (I tried lower SH and it actually hurts her), and try my Lucas.

 

[shanus]

I think that we should wait for aerial momentum to come out at least before Beta 3. That way we can test the values more readily.

Did you like my Fox, Falco, and Ike?

100% agreed. Ike played well, I think we have pretty similar values for him and a general same outlook. I prefer my Fox & Falco, tbh. They just feel faster with a slight increase in the upgrav and all. I forget your values you used (do you have your chart saved somewhere, its a lot easier than looking in the codeset and converting).

I need to crash though, exam at 9am. Let me know what you think of my set.


If air momentum comes out tomorrow (Wednesday), let's try and chat on aim at some point afterwards to really crank this out before the long weekend.

 

[The Cape]

Good old Ganon is working on combining what he likes about our sets together, which may be another interesting place to look. I will PM you my values and my AIM.

I will be available until about 2 pm, then again at about this time.

Something interesting happened. When I turned on the momentum code with my set DDD got his CG back and Fox got his shine sprints back.

I would like to keep the Fox ones, but the DDD CG needs to go. I wonder what caused it.

Also, the jump speed momentum code keeps 100% of your dash speed on your first jump or when you run off a platform. Bit too high, I would like to see it so it only applies to jumps and its shortened to 80%

 

[shanus]

Bump for people to see. Cape and I made Beta Set 3. We feel this feels AMAZING. Just need to tweak link & yoshi and it'll be perfecto. Also, you'll notice MK dies a bit earlier now ;-)

 

[Almas]

Bowser Don't Care [Almas, 8 Lines]
04001838 3F800000
C276967C 00000006
3C608000 C0031838
8004C690 2C00000B
40820018 FC010040
4080000C EC210828
48000008 EC210028
3C6080AD 00000000

Damage dealt to Bowser is reduced by a fixed amount. I recommend careful tweaking - even 2 seems overpowered, and 1 might end up being too much. Non-integer values are fine. The value to change is the first line, currently set to 1 (3F800000)

Whorenado Nerf [Almas, 10 Lines]
0400183C 3FA00000
C281CAD0 00000008
2C080000 3CA0805B
60A54FD8 4182002C
8008F5A0 2C000016
40820020 2C170117
4182000C 7C172800
40820010 3C808000
C004183C EC200072
4E800020 00000000

The code doesn't stack with character specific gravity, but it can be integrated into it without much hassle. The first line (3FA00000) denotes the value of it - I set it to something which feels nice to me. MK can rise during the middle portion of his tornado, but falls slightly at the start and end. It means that players can SDI out of it fairly easily now, but it retains some useful functions.


Tell me which you want, and the values to use, and I'll incorporate them into the next set, which I will write either tomorrow or Friday night, including spunit's new code.

 

[shanus]

I think we'll have the code values finalized tonight. I definitely think the bowser buff should go in. Any chance you could have that codeset made tomorrow? I'm going to be gone for the long weekend and would like to test it before its released :O