How can I get better at Roy? Tips?

Pάρί · Dec 31, 2014

Hey so Ive been maining Roy for a very long time, and idk I keep coming up with problems with him. I hope someone can answer these questions for me.

What can I do to recover as Roy? I feel if anyone takes me to FD ive basically lost the match, I cannot not recover as him for ****. I do side B and up B but still. Is there anything else I can do about this problem?

What are good combos with Dancing Blade, or good strings?

Just tips in general on how to play Roy?

darkoblivion12 · Jan 1, 2015

2 keys to recovering with Roy:
1. DI: If you have good survival DI Roy's short recovery distance is negligible.
2. Reading their option coverage
Roy can recover on stage or to the edge. He can upB early to try and hit the opponent, or he can try to sweetspot. The key here is trying to guess which option the opponent wants you to pick. Most people can't cover both because Roy's multihit blazer will clip them if they overextend their option coverage. The ways people cover the edge is by forcing you low and grabbing it. Read this and upB early. The way people cover on stage is by baiting jumping onto the edge, waiting for an early upB and then hitting you off. These are the basics of the edge game.

I wrote up a flow chart of DED (side B) somewhere in the forum. Take a look around the strategem thread maybe? Might be in the matchups thread. I dunno.

Tips: Dash dance and dtilt. Learn your mixups on DED. Learn wavelands.

LoganS97 · Feb 4, 2015

I have been wondering the same thing and thank you for posting the question. and thank you darkoblivion12 for the response

IdkLmao · Feb 6, 2015

This is all IMO but

This is a really tall order to fill but if you can you need a training partner committed to becoming good at the game who uses the top tiers. We're not talking just somebody who "uses" top tiers. Somebody sitting down for hours a day trying to schedule their time this year around taking first at a tournament with a top tier. Somebody who purposely is getting their punish game better so they are on average over time as they improve doing more damage to the people they hit when they start a punish. Comprehensive coverage of practicing what is important on a macro level until they have it down easily so there isn't a huge hole in how they play like terrible spacing or big choke issues or consistency issues in tech skill. Flawless edge gaurding. Etc.

I have learned that no matter how much you play on your own or how much you dabble in tournaments, lacking a seriously dedicated player with good reaction time to train with is a huge set back no matter what character you use. Just the simple act of playing with somebody all the time who is trying to become good at this game and getting exposed to their speed and air tight gameplay gets your reflexes really good, your judgement much sharper, gives you a way better idea of what you need to work on thats not working and gets you used to getting punished so you don't wear down as much mentally from being punished. It also exposes you to really tricky and smart punish ideas that would work well enough to get serious punishes that you can learn and use those ideas yourself.

And this person should spend time with you helping you get better with roy instead of just trying to floor you with his characters in pointless sparring matches all the time. Sparring can help but it shouldn't be all you do. Helping you figure out how to hurt the top tiers more. Teaching you how to beat him so he has a better challenge to get better himself. Working with you in you drills and theory to help get roy good in situations where you're terrible in general.

On that same token of meeting a player who is training to win a tournament thats exactly what you need to be doing yourself.
You as a roy main need to be serious about training to win a national. The few who pick roy i've noticed aren't really trying to confidently strive to win it all. To win apex 2016. To win evo. They have doubts. They don't think roy can really do it. They're just playing him because hes "fun" or "a challenge" Those who are serious in intention aren't training hard enough to win as evidenced by the results roy as a character has in average tournament placings.Those who are serious about getting good with roy who are playing with roy for years and not winning still are not following an idea of getting better that is good.

Roy mains and most smash players are not picking up on the idea that what they're doing to get good with roy/their character isn't enough and they aren't trying to upgrade how they train until their training with roy/their character is good enough for them to win. This gets them stuck at a certain level of skill. The skill level matches the training level. Upgrade the training to upgrade the skill. If your training is designed to get you good enough to win, that is exactly what happens.

Roy is a very dangerous and deadly character with good enough training. I think roy is good enough to win EVO.

Pάρί · Feb 6, 2015

You just inspired me to continue on my journey of playing Roy, thank you good sir

MDAVE · Feb 7, 2015

Play this in the background while training.

JFyst · Feb 9, 2015

OK, so I'm going to tell YOU the secret 1 tech to using Roy.
On the character select screen, Pick someone else.

dy831532sssfjhhggb2224523 · Feb 15, 2015

I'm not going to give you tips with Roy, because they'd have really weak knockback and make punching sounds.

Karmatrix · Mar 16, 2015

When you're losing as Roy, don't make excuses blaming your character for being bad. 99% of the time, there's something you can improve on, and you will probably always have room to improve. As a fellow low-tier main, it is important to have the right mindset when improving. I know it's not specific Roy tips, but hopefully this can help you as a Roy main. Good luck!

Mwauthzyx · Apr 29, 2015

Roy is fun but if you're ever planning on playing seriously, play a different character and use Roy as a backup.

dy831532sssfjhhggb2224523 · Apr 29, 2015

Mwauthzyx said:
Roy is fun but if you're ever planning on playing seriously, play a different character and use Roy as a backup.

You can just as easily main Roy and use him 80% of matches with a backup like Marth or Sheik. He's not that bad minus a few MUs.

RetroGamersGuru · Apr 29, 2015

One thing to remember about Roy is that while Marth has the tip mechanic, Roy's sword works in reverse. This is why you can get the most out of Fsmash when up close. If you've watched PPU's Roy (which he basically simplified him to the minimum since he's not wanting to hurt his main Marth I would think), he takes advantage of this at early percents with Dtilt to Fsmash at early percents to rack up some damage. In particular, this helps you when the opponent is close to the edge since it helps set up an early edgeguarding situation.

Another thing about Roy to remember is that he's a fastfaller (4th fastest in the game), so one of his signature strings is Uairs for juggling. It's possible since his fall speed allows him to fall back down to cancel the lag and to bring another Uair afterwards (of course it helps that his Uair has decent speed and l-cancelled frames). You can see this with Sethlon and what he does particularly on floaties. Just make sure that you have good DI to make up for his limited recovery since he still has a hard time coming back even with Side B air stalling (His Up B is more based on the horizontal axis as well, so know it's angle to try to sweetspot with it).

And yes, Sethlon has used Melee Roy recently (as in within the last few months). VODs of his Roy are on Tourney Locator if you have trouble finding it. PPU's Roy VODs are from GSATF.

dy831532sssfjhhggb2224523 · Apr 30, 2015

NEO is my favorite Roy. He doesn't use as much Roy-specific technology, but that man made money and beat pretty much everyone with Roy. He knew when a secondary was absolutely necessary to back up Roy, but he still used Roy most of the time, and I feel like Roy can do fine just as a solo main.

PPU's Roy is sexy and went far, but I still see a lot more in the character. He didn't really play Roy right, but his general skill allowed him to make it really far. If a Roy main just as skilled as him or better were to utilize Roy's most powerful technology, pick Roy's best options in reads, and not make dumb mistakes with Roy like so many Roy mains do, even good Roys, I think whoever they are could win big tournaments and their Roy would be at the same level of "top 8" characters against an equally skilled player. Yoshi, Samus, Pikachu, Luigi, and Roy are seriously underrated. The top 8 mentality being so deep rooted hurts some of the characters who have potential to play on the same level. Not saying every character is viable, just that I'm adamant on five characters potentially being that good.

RetroGamersGuru · Apr 30, 2015

Royvolution Ream said:
NEO is my favorite Roy. He doesn't use as much Roy-specific technology, but that man made money and beat pretty much everyone with Roy. He knew when a secondary was absolutely necessary to back up Roy, but he still used Roy most of the time, and I feel like Roy can do fine just as a solo main.

PPU's Roy is sexy and went far, but I still see a lot more in the character. He didn't really play Roy right, but his general skill allowed him to make it really far. If a Roy main just as skilled as him or better were to utilize Roy's most powerful technology, pick Roy's best options in reads, and not make dumb mistakes with Roy like so many Roy mains do, even good Roys, I think whoever they are could win big tournaments and their Roy would be at the same level of "top 8" characters against an equally skilled player. Yoshi, Samus, Pikachu, Luigi, and Roy are seriously underrated. The top 8 mentality being so deep rooted hurts some of the characters who have potential to play on the same level. Not saying every character is viable, just that I'm adamant on five characters potentially being that good.

I'm not sure that Samus, Pikachu, or Luigi are underrated at this point (the seventh best player is a Pika main, Samus has been a decent character since the beginning meaning that she has been the most consistent character that is considered mid-tier by the majority, Luigi has two incredible players representing him and are within the top 40 (don't get me wrong, Luigi still has some potential to u tap), and Yoshi got fifth at one of the largest smash tournaments of all time after his player Amsa beat players that he previously lost to and took one of the top 3 players to game 5 (of course Leffen still was a problem, but he still took convincing stocks which just shows the character is not really a gimmick)).

In the case of Roy, I'm not sure anymore of what to say about his viability, although I do agree that the skill level of the players at the top compared to the good Roy players still is pretty sizable. I want to see Roy suddenly win nationals, but the players need to prove his worth. A player that truly uses the mechanics of Roy to the fullest would truly cause a bang in the scene. I'm not going to be that player by all means considering my choice of tournament characters (mostly Link with the building of the Falcon to prove the non-believers that Falcons can be optimal too), but I know most of how Roy works and am willing to support our boy and his players.

Also, where can I find Vods of Neo? I haven't heard of him before unfortunately. And I wondered if he played him wrong considering it's easy to mix up the two FE representatives in mechanics.

dy831532sssfjhhggb2224523 · Apr 30, 2015

RetroGamersGuru said:
I'm not sure that Samus, Pikachu, or Luigi are underrated at this point (the seventh best player is a Pika main, Samus has been a decent character since the beginning meaning that she has been the most consistent character that is considered mid-tier by the majority, Luigi has two incredible players representing him and are within the top 40 (don't get me wrong, Luigi still has some potential to u tap), and Yoshi got fifth at one of the largest smash tournaments of all time after his player Amsa beat players that he previously lost to and took one of the top 3 players to game 5 (of course Leffen still was a problem, but he still took convincing stocks which just shows the character is not really a gimmick)).

In the case of Roy, I'm not sure anymore of what to say about his viability, although I do agree that the skill level of the players at the top compared to the good Roy players still is pretty sizable. I want to see Roy suddenly win nationals, but the players need to prove his worth. A player that truly uses the mechanics of Roy to the fullest would truly cause a bang in the scene. I'm not going to be that player by all means considering my choice of tournament characters (mostly Link with the building of the Falcon to prove the non-believers that Falcons can be optimal too), but I know most of how Roy works and am willing to support our boy and his players.

Also, where can I find Vods of Neo? I haven't heard of him before unfortunately. And I wondered if he played him wrong considering it's easy to mix up the two FE representatives in mechanics.

RetroGamersGuru · Apr 30, 2015

Royvolution Ream said:
Are you in the 20GX Facebook group?

NEO made over $1000 bucks, most of it in 2006, from just five documented tournaments, with mainly Roy.

http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/4444-neo-nathaniel-owen

Some videos of his Roy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dq244s9hYs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUn0pp3NitI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bde1Igr7tfE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZxUuocv5gQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94wBuckhg_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W2_xT0KKUk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdAGbWuGbSc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfQadIPY9Nc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUD8CJ1Dlz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhaVXv60l28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3gLESuIDk4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZtt-YvdNJE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4oFVVMy07U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vjwyX6n574

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7reVVYS8yk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I39iBhn-4aY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYlNfKLQOu0

Hopefully I didn't accidentally link a Marth/Sheik video, I started grabbing these via memory.

This features NEO as part of the combo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ii7haVMIJCQ

I think his only PM Roy gameplay was taken down, probably was on VGBootPMCamp.

Those were some good old-school matches. I saw what you meant with Marth/Sheik outside of these links. And I still need to join the group.

Edit: I joined it!

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