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He later noted that K. Rool appears to be the most accepted newcomer for SSB4 by the Japanese outside of Roy and Mewtwo.
O.K. I was really only sure on K. Rool anyway. Ridley either way will be carried by the west.
This is sadly true. Waluigi is in a ton more games, which aren't hard to find, compared to the Paper Mario games. He's not really obscure whatsoever. Nor is Bowser Jr. or Toad. Due to newness, and current appearances.
Ah, well I guess that's that. Hmmm... not a lot of support for Isaac, eh? That's too bad. I had been thinking that outside of Takamaru and Little Mac (FOR US), he was the more requested new series character.
Honestly, I've been considering if we really need characters like Toon Link or Paper Mario when they're the same character, but changes of art style. At least Sheik and Zero Suit Samus present alter egos of their respective characters. Toon Link and Paper Mario are the same character in a new art style.
Nope. The Japanese don't seem to be too interested in characters in general for SSB4. The only characters they appear to have full support for are Roy, Mewtwo, and King K. Rool and to a lesser extent a Rainfall games character like Shulk or Kanan.
Again, what's wrong with changing Link? He has been terrible in each game. Quite frankly I want to play a character who doesn't totally suck. I think the middle ground of changing some of Toon Link's moves and some of Link's moves is best. The Smash Bros. development team needs to think which move fits each character best, and then make them both more unique. That is the only way I can see the two of them truly becoming completely different from one another, and see the decloning process continue.
I'm not sure people know who Bowser Jr. is that well. He has only appeared in the last 10 years, and in all of those games he was just a minion of his father. Plus he's not the only child of Bowser who was a minion of Bowser. There's the 8 Koopas from Super Mario Bros. 3, which he is commonly mistaken for. On top of that, I doubt there are many truly dedicated smashers who are strongly for Bowser Jr. I saw it in the pre-Brawl era, and I think I'll see that again. I also can't think of anyone who would want to buy a smash bros game because of Bowser Jr.
(that's a joke, lol!)Waluigi is in a bunch of mediocre party game sports games, Mario Party, and Mario Kart. Besides that, who actually likes him, or would buy smash bros. just to play that bland piece of garbage=???
Art style shouldn't matter here. Also, I'd like to note that Paper Mario, unlike Toon Link, fights extremely differently in his own games(TL doesn't fight terribly different from Link, especially when it's TP Link). He'd be great to have in. Doctor Mario is a true alter ego. Paper Mario is an alternate character interpretation.Honestly, I've been considering if we really need characters like Toon Link or Paper Mario when they're the same character, but changes of art style. At least Sheik and Zero Suit Samus present alter egos of their respective characters. Toon Link and Paper Mario are the same character in a new art style.
If we get rid of Toon Link, we'll never have to argue on Paper Mario ever again.
(I'm thinking about double majoring)By the time Melee came around, Paper Mario was new, having been around for only a year. He did not have time to build a fan base. Paper Mario may have gotten a large fan base in Brawl comparable to Bowser Jr. had it not been for the Geno vs. Bowser Jr. rivalry that occurred during the time which put the focused between these two characters. With SSB4 around and Paper Mario's game coming next year, he finally has a fan base that could potentially rival Bowser Jr.'s. Depending on how well Paper Mario 3DS is received and the impact it makes on the series, it may finally cross over-sea. Although currently, I'm leaving this as a big "if".Shortiecanbrawl said:
Also think of it this way.
While Mewtwo still has a large group of support and Paper Mario has some definite momentum, your point seems fair.
A lot. Link has been nearly the same all three games. Why should he get changed instead of the clone first? Concentrate on the clones, as they're the problems. Explain why the clone shouldn't be changed first.
Link got his Bow as well. In Melee. He did indeed get new moves. So yes, he did indeed change. And his A moves did too. Remember that Hookshot? Changed out for the Clawshot in Brawl. Also, Luigi was nearly a clone, so he got new moves. Link is not a clone, so why would they heavily change his moveset?
Then please explain why the Trophy says Young Link was the one in The Legend of Zelda. What matters is that Sakurai believes that he is, and thus, Young Link was the one in the first game, and all the other overhead games. Also, explain why all the overhead games now use Toon Link, who is the Young Link replacement? Perhaps there's a reason for that?
Wrong. The most common items were always the Bow, Bomb, and Arrow. Your Swords and Shields changed in various games. There's no heavy constant outside of those three weapons. You said yourself you didn't play all the games. Please research them all. And even then, okay, fine you have 5 constant items/weapons. Those are all represented faithfully in Smash. The most known. Makes sense.If I'm not mistaken, the most common item in Zelda is the bottle. Think about it: in nearly every Zelda game you have up multiple of them.
Agreed.
I see your points, but I dont agree with them. I feel that Paper Mario isn't really Mario (he's Mario in name alone), based on how he plays in his games. I think the Paper Mario series would be considered a separate series (icon) in Smash. The Paper Mario games play 100% different than any regular Mario game. Dr Mario is Mario in a coat, Paper Mario is a completely different entitiy.
For the reasons I mentioned, i'd actually say Paper Mario points AWAY from being a clone. I'd say Bowser Jr is more likely to be a Bowser clone than Paper Mario a Mario clone, as Bowser Jr is closer in body type (be it not as large) to Bowser than Paper Mario is to Mario. Also, you seem to kind of contradict yourself here. Earlier you say that Paper Mario IS Mario, and now you reference them as different characters in your argument for which is most well known.
Because the clone makes me forget Link is in the game. Link in Brawl is a joke. An absolute joke. There is nothing redeeming about his play style, moves, or priority when compared to Toon Link. Nothing!
Because Link's moves work better for Toon Link than Link. That's why. From a viewpoint on the move sets, that is the reason I am using.
Please explain why the trophy in Melee and Brawl also says Link's original game was the Legend of Zelda.
The bottle is in every Zelda game. In every 3D Zelda game you could get 4 or more. Therefore the bottle is the most common item is Zelda.
So you hate the character then. Okay. Likewise, I still have fun playing as either Link. And contrary to popular belief, not everybody chooses Toon Link over regular Link.
What do Tiers have to do with this? Oh, wait, this isn't about Tiers. This is about changing his moves. Please don't stray from the point. Also, this is about Link, not Ness or Yoshi. Stay on topic.
In your opinion. I see Toon Link getting moves from his Toon-based games. He has tons of choices there. Link already has moves from his games. That doesn't need to change. Once again, why is the clone the good guy here? When he's the copier, not the original.
That's not because of his B Moves either. They're actually pretty good overall. It's the rest of his game that is lacking.
Except that's not true. You can say that about Young Link. But not about Toon Link. He has completely unique items that Adult Link does not. Toon Link should use those unique items. I can forgive Young Link for being a clone, because he pretty much IS regular Link.
The bottles are in A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, Minish Cap, and both DS Zelda games. It's not in the first two games, Link's Awakening, either Oracle game. So, by count, 9 for Bottle. 5 for No Bottle. Bombs and Boomerang are in every game except Zelda II. And Boomerang wasn't in Minish Cap either. That's two games they aren't in, and 12 they are. Or 1 and 13. Not nearly as common. As I said before, play and check ALL the facts first. You're only going from games you've played, not everything. The only game I have yet to play in Spirit Tracks, so I might be wrong on that one. Which barely changes the ratio in the first place. Bottle isn't that common. And it also appeared in Melee. We got a taste of it(pun intended).
Then why do you keep giving incorrect information? Before you reply, please more sure what you say is purely factual.
You're missing the point. Sakurai is adding what's iconic in the games. That was made clear by the move choices. If it can be done, go for iconic stuff. But don't delete the iconic stuff either. That's why the Mario Tornado wasn't deleted. It was Iconic. And the best is subjective, while iconic is objective. I took a nice mini poll in a chat room. When asked what the most iconic items were? Sword, Shield, Bomb, Bow, and Boomerang. Nothing else was mentioned until WAYYY later. So at first thought, those 5 items are iconic. Explain to me why Sakurai would grab stuff barely anybody knows about and put them into the character when he already has well known stuff in the first place? If you're using iconic character, use what they already have and are well known for. It's indeed a popularity contest in this case.
You're going about it wrong. You're changing what makes him well known as Link. Toon Link was well known for a lot of items in his Toon games that Link didn't use. This isn't to say SS Link might not have different moves in Smash 4. But you can't say people know more about the Hammer, which has a smaller list of appearances, or the Ball & Chain, which has only about... 5 or 7 games, and usable only in ONE game, than the Bombs, Bow, and Boomerang. This is the whole way to make a character. Take what they're known for and apply it to Smash. You keep saying his most iconic moves are the problem. But they're not. It's his weight, slowness, and lack of mobility. He doesn't have enough strength either. What does this have to at all with his specials? Best you can argue is his Up B, as that's the only one that has a problem overall. That's why he has trouble recovering. Also, as I said before, this is solely about Link. Link is Link. Toon Link is also Link. The difference is that Toon Link is a freakin' clone, and has other options. Link is not, and is the one being copied. You're basing the changes only on Tiers and not who the character actually is.
As I said before, why would Sakurai make somebody named Mario into something other than a clone? It'd be great, but I'm not expecting anything more out of Paper Mario.
Toon Zelda and Tetra seem silly.
There were plenty of mentions specifically for Ridley/Goroh/Black Shadow, just that there were even more that said "where all the Metroid and F-Zero characters at?"
I looked at dozens of sites. 2ch (the "one") gets more attention on account of it being the largest JP forum, yes.
It's such a hot issue that everything else gets drowned out. But yeah, that's the idea.
Like in the West, the single-minded "we need a girl!" crowd tends to completely miss the females that might actually show up.
You're silly. He can move/look different and still harbor similar moves, which is what bothers me/everyone. Sakurai can make a clone from scratch, which is something I can see happening. As far as I know, I think he likes the idea of taking existing movesets and twisting them a bit.
Change is GOOD. And Link has many options. **** those Bombs already. Leave that campy stuff to Samus
It's apperantly getting a re-make (Ruby & Sapphire). But it was probably the most sucky generation. Can't say much cause I never played much of 4, and never even touched 5 so... I just want Mewtwo, the rest of the Pokemon characters I don't care about (aside from Pikachu, who I think could use a new Forward B as well).
Generation 3 isn't all that bad. It did have some interesting Pokemon, although Nosepass was the oddest of the bunch.
This. It was the last gen I could surely say I heavily enjoyed (the 4th gen was forgettable to me if you ask) and is why I want a rep from it badly, despite the odds against it.
Not only Forward B.@ Metal Overlord
About how Kirby should be able to steal forward B moves, why Nintendo should have wired controllers for the Wii U, and why quite a few retro characters should be considered or re-considered for Super Smash Bros. Wii U and/or Super Smash Bros. 3D=???
Do those matter? YESSS!!!!
How awesome would it be for Kirby to use Snake's launcher thing? The boomerang again? Pound again? PK Fire again?
How awesome would it be for Little Mac and Mach Rider to be a team, possibly along with the likes of Samurai Goroh=???
Could you imagine playing Smash Bros. Wii U with a crappy connection at a huge tournament where wireless controller connections are getting all mixed up=??? (like what Wii controllers are vulnerable to) That would KILL the game competitively until a solution was found, lol!
Also, anybody know if that one game that was revealed last week is REALLY the sequel to Takamaru's last game, or if it features Takamaru=???
I'm fine with Link's current playstyle but I'm all for these changesI was not criticising Link players, I very well know that projectile spam is Link's game. And of coarse, play to win. I just don't like it like it's been done so far. See my earlier suggestions about the Bow. If they changed the Bow to that, there'd be no need for Boomerangs or bombs.
Spin Attack / Great Spin for Down B, Sword Beam for side B and a new up B is what I want. Maybe change his Nair and Bair to something more similar to Toon Link's as well. It seemed to work kinda well for Toon Link so to say. And seeing it's probably Skyward Sword Link we're getting, Link should not feel so clumpsy in the air no more.
Zelda has potential to be a barrier character. It might have some good effects on her.
Yes.
Come with me my friend
I don't want Shadow Mario. Jr. is fine as a stand alone fighter
Recent and future games disagree with ya
