Roy Comboing Into Up-Smash Spike?

[Conradical]

So I was playing online a couple of days ago and I performed this really interesting combo that could possibly be explored more. I tried replicating it but so far I have been unsuccessful, but I think that this could be really helpful for Roy mains as it would bring a new kill option to the table. So my question is: Do you think that this is a reliable kill combo? I have a video showcasing it here:

It's the first combo shown, and is performed on Palutena.

 

[SafCar]

Looks like the pull in effect Usmash had was affected by rage. Seems like Roy's getting more and more use out of the rage gimmick.

 

[Croph]

Afaik, Nair > Usmash isn't a combo. I'm also not sure if rage affects Usmash's pull effect and spike. I thought it was just similar to his Melee Usmash spike that's all. But rage potentially affecting the move is something to look into, especially since this is the first time I've heard of such thing. Roy's at 50% and the pull/spike looks similar to me.

 

[SafCar]

Afaik, Nair > Usmash isn't a combo. I'm also not sure if rage affects Usmash's pull effect and spike. I thought it was just similar to his Melee Usmash spike that's all. But rage potentially affecting the move is something to look into, especially since this is the first time I've heard of such thing. Roy's at 50% and the pull/spike looks similar to me.

Lucas is at 50%, Palutena is at 25%, which might explain it.

To the lab, then?

 

[Kealmir]

And unfortunately I don't believe Down Throw to Fair at low% is a combo either. if it was, at 20% you could Down Throw > SH > Fair > Double Jump > Fair > Up-B for a ridiculous amount of damage.

Most people don't know you can double jump out of a perfect SH Fair before landing if you don't SHFF it, it's a shame there isn't a reliable setup for it at the %'s it works.

 

[dy831532sssfjhhggb2224523]

Good find. I'm trying to figure out what triggers the spike in 4, it's even more elusive than Melee.

 

[EnGarde]

Good find. I'm trying to figure out what triggers the spike in 4, it's even more elusive than Melee.

Sourspot of hits 2-4 have a downwards trajectory (260 degrees, slightly off from straight down). If those are unlinked from the other hits, they'll send the opponent downwards. These are the same hits that cause a chance for tripping when the opponent is on a platform above Roy.

Source: http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Roy

 

[ligersandtigons]

Sourspot of hits 2-4 have a downwards trajectory (260 degrees, slightly off from straight down). If those are unlinked from the other hits, they'll send the opponent downwards. These are the same hits that cause a chance for tripping when the opponent is on a platform above Roy.

Source: http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Roy

any tips on hitting with only frames 2-4?

 

[EnGarde]

any tips on hitting with only frames 2-4?

If you're trying to get that downwards pseudo spike, it is for HITS 2-4, not frames 2-4 lol. Hits 2-4 hit on frames 15, 17, and 19 lol.

To answer your question...no, I have no idea how to unlink those at this point in time to get the pseudo spike. Nair > up smash isn't a true combo or a reliable string; a smart opponent will be able to react in time to avoid it. Research is still ongoing, so to speak lol.

 

[ligersandtigons]

If you're trying to get that downwards pseudo spike, it is for HITS 2-4, not frames 2-4 lol. Hits 2-4 hit on frames 15, 17, and 19 lol.

To answer your question...no, I have no idea how to unlink those at this point in time to get the pseudo spike. Nair > up smash isn't a true combo or a reliable string; a smart opponent will be able to react in time to avoid it. Research is still ongoing, so to speak lol.

lol i had a brainfart, i meant to say hits, not frames