Polt's stuff:
Falco, thankfully, doesn't do so well when it comes to being juggled. His d-air has a large amount of range, yes, but Yoshi should never contest it. Instead, he should predict where and when it is going to be used and punish Falco for doing that move with a pivot-grab. Do the same for when he air-dodges. If Falco side-B's try to predict where he'll land and punish with Egg Toss. The only time Yoshi should attempt to directly beat out Falco in the air is when he's susceptible to being KO'ed by a u-air.
Massive disagreement here. If you never try to go head on in the air, it gives your opponent a much easier time when landing. In fact, this allows them to take bigger risks, like Phantasming away, since they know you won't attack their fall, so the start up becomes safe. This forces you to predict where they'll land, which is awful. You just lost all momentum. A proper mix up of Uairing, Usmashing, and pivot grab would be an effective way to juggle Falco.
If Yoshi goes aggro he's going to get *****, no questions asked. What this match-up should be is a battle of wits. Falco can easily shut down Yoshi when they are fighting head on with his own moveset, but a smart Yoshi player has a significantly better chance than one not using his head (in every sense of the word)
Playing smart goes without saying when you use a low tier character.
Yoshi should definitely be going aggro once you get in on Falco. That's your time to add on a LOT of damage. Keeping up a fast pace at that point will scare the CRAP out of your opponent. I've done it, and I've had it happen to me. It's not fun. It's a good way to keep pressure and add damage. Go aggro once you have momentum, it's important. Just be cautious when getting in, and know when it's time to pull back.
Yoshi and Falco almost never attack head on anyways. It's all about who read who, and who punished who for what. A matchup based entirely on reads is even.
but I don't recommend contesting his side-B offstage. It's super quick and spikes you, so if you mess up it puts Yoshi in a very bad position and completely shifts the positional advantage to Falco.
Throw out a nair when he Phantasms. If you don't hit him out of it, you'll clank, every time. No reason not to challenge him offstage.
Yoshi gets absolutely destroyed close-range, because we don't have anything that can beat his 2-frame jab and other ground moves. However, spacing would enable Yoshi to clash with Falco on the ground. Staying mid-range is critical for the match-up (oh, and keeping him above you).
The fact that it requires such precise play is why I have him as a -2. Falco doesn't need to be nearly as precise to beat Yoshi; he definitely has an easier time fighting Yoshi in this match-up than Yoshi has fighting Falco. It's a match-up in which messing up gives Falco an opportunity to really damage Yoshi. There's just no way I can give this match-up a -1 in good conscience. It doesn't look remotely even to me.
Falco only beats us close range assuming both players inputted their fastest move (jab) at the same time. How often does that happen, outside of a clank? And we don't clank Falco often either. Really only when he Phantasms. DJ Nair gets us out of ANY of us jab shenanigans, except maybe straight jab combo. If he tries to do a mix up, it'll hit him. His jab isn't safe.
Falco needs to be INCREDIBLY precise when playing this match up. ONE mistake and we grab him. This grab puts him offstage. This positioning leads to a lot of damage, a potential gimp, and a massive deficit.
Yoshi needs to be precise on his reads. You need to get that read to get the massive damage in. Falco needs to read Yoshi to stop him from ****** him.
The thing is, he also has a couple of moves that really limit Yoshi. First off, his down-B makes eggs useless, especially ECE. This, coupled with his laser, makes it impossible for Yoshi to win a long-range battle. Secondly, while his side-B is quite punishable when he's using it for recovery, it's not so punishable when he's using it on stage. He can use it to easily escape pressure due to its invincibility frames, and Yoshi can't do much to punish it unless he predicts it. Then, there's his jab. This forces Yoshi to fight mid-range against Falco because otherwise jab will beat out all of Yoshi's ground moves.
You suck at camping. lrn2Deltacod.
You can hit him with eggs by arcing them over the reflector. You can hit him as he's firing lasers. By using ECE, and forcing him to reflect, you've created an opening to return to the stage on. It doesn't get you direct damage, but it gives you a window of opportunity to get back to a more favorable position.
While Phantasm isn't directly punishable when he uses it onstage, as he's sliding around from it, he's pushed to near the ledge. This limits his options. He's most likely going to try to Phantasm back through again, to reach a more centered position. This makes him predictable. Then you get a read. Then you get massive damage.
His jab isn't that good.
One frame can make a load of difference, Hades. Let's say that you clank with Falco on something. His jab will beat out any move you can throw out, so all that's left is to shield, which may still not work depending on how far away Falco is. So now you're shielding against Falco. This is a terrible situation because Falco can so easily apply shield-pressure with his ground game, and Yoshi's lack of OoS options prevent him from punishing Falco.
We almost never clank with Falco on the ground. This is entirely irrelevant.
Your main complaint seems to be that we can't do anything to Falco because he can run away all day and he beats us directly on the ground (by like, 1 frame, which really doesn't matter practically). We absolutely wreck Falco once we land a hit. ONE FF Bair, ONE Usmash, ONE grab, and he's gonna be hurting.
Also, if you're at extreme percents, especially when you're a stock up, stop approaching. It doesn't matter at that point how much laser damage you take. And forcing Falco to approach is a very good situation. ;D
Hades, I generally agree with you, although you were much more vague overall, so it's really just your concepts that I like. Which is fine by me.
Also, I believe CG>Spike is guaranteed at a certain ledge spacing. Just so you're aware, it'd be neat to try out.
One last thing, camp Falco until you're out of CG range. There's no point in taking easy 60-80% off one grab early on. Take it easy, eat lasers, try to trade with eggs, until you're free. 40% is about the mark to look for.
Stick to your guns, young sir.
