Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Fun fact: Wendee Lee is credited in SSBU's credits for voicing someone, but it's not Lyn since they're still using Lani Minella's voice clips. So who could it be?

Tried looking it up, but the only sources I could find either say that she doesn't appear at all, or that she voices Lyn...

 

[Gengar84]

Fun fact: Wendee Lee is credited in SSBU's credits for voicing someone, but it's not Lyn since they're still using Lani Minella's voice clips. So who could it be?

Interesting. I thought she sounded different than she did with her Brawl assist trophy. I remember Lyn sounding like Wendee Lee in Ultimate but I haven’t played with assist trophies on in a long time so I’m probably misremembering.

 

[Perkilator]

Fun fact: Wendee Lee is credited in SSBU's credits for voicing someone, but it's not Lyn since they're still using Lani Minella's voice clips. So who could it be?

I feel like Nintendo only credited Wendee Lee out of obligation, considering the reused voice clips of Lani Minella.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I thought she sounded different than she did

She doesn't. You're hearing the same old voice clips.

Tried looking it up, but the only sources I could find either say that she doesn't appear at all, or that she voices Lyn...

According to the Smash Wiki she's probably there because of a mixup with Lyn's English VAs, since, again, it's the same voice clips from Brawl.

 

[Gorgonzales]

So moving on, I've been having some trouble figuring out some Taunts for one of my character wants. I got the Victory Animations figured out for Brian(Quest 64), but solely one taunt. While respectively the rest of the moveset has shown to be difficult to conceptualize beyond "referencing", as being an RPG Hero means that him having a more interesting moveset that at least attempts to use one of his unique mechanics helps him stick out, that's been surprisingly easier. Ironically so.

Taunts aren't that hard to figure out. If a character doesn't have enough particular expressions/poses/dances that they're known for, then simply create new material that still fit the character's personality. It does no harm and can lead to a lot of great things (Luigi's kick, Banjo & Kazooie's duo pose, K. Rool's belly slap, and Captain Falcon's... everything are stand-out examples of this).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Taunts aren't that hard to figure out. If a character doesn't have enough particular expressions/poses/dances that they're known for, then simply create new material that still fit the character's personality. It does no harm and can lead to a lot of great things (Luigi's kick, Banjo & Kazooie's duo pose, K. Rool's belly slap, and Captain Falcon's... everything are stand-out examples of this).

That's why I had trouble in the first place. He has almost zero personality or expressions. XD The most he does is say "Yes sir"(or variants of that) in the demake. That said, I'll relook through the unused spells. Maybe that could be slightly workable. I did that with some Victory Animations(though Silence is used in the third moveset. ...The second moveset technically was never made, but it has enough of a concept either way).

 

[Gengar84]

She doesn't. You're hearing the same old voice clips.

According to the Smash Wiki she's probably there because of a mixup with Lyn's English VAs, since, again, it's the same voice clips from Brawl.

I had to confirm for myself because I could have sworn they changed the voice but you’re right. It is the same as the Brawl voice. I’m guessing my memory was off because I play with mods and I have a Lyn mod over Lucina that is using Wendee Lee’s voice. That is definitely interesting.

I feel like I’m one of the very few people that cares much about particular voice actors and actresses to the point where it’s actually a small factor in how much I want certain characters in Smash. Probably because I’ve watched a lot of anime over the years and I’ve grown to really like and appreciate a lot of the actors in them and various games.

 

[Will]

I had to confirm for myself because I could have sworn they changed the voice but you’re right. It is the same as the Brawl voice. I’m guessing my memory was off because I play with mods and I have a Lyn mod over Lucina that is using Wendee Lee’s voice. That is definitely interesting.

If any dev team is good at reusing assets since 2008 it’s the Smash Bros dev team.

i really hope that changes soon

 

[Guynamednelson]

I’m guessing my memory was off because I play with mods and I have a Lyn mod over Lucina that is using Wendee Lee’s voice.

Luckily I don't have to worry about that since PMEX Remix uses Japanese voice clips for Lyn so Roy's mom isn't speaking a different language from her son.

 

[Gengar84]

While we’re on the subject of voice actors and actresses, here’s just a few of my favorites that would be cool to hear in Smash somehow. Unfortunately many of them don’t really play a prominent enough game character to have much a chance but still:

Crispin Freeman
Steve Blum
Johnny Yong Bosch
Chris Sabat
Robert McCollum
Jamieson Price
Chris Patton

Wendee Lee
Luci Christian
Michelle Ruff
Cheremi Leigh
Cristina Vee
Erica Mendez
Laura Bailey

There’s a lot more but I’ll leave it there because I don’t think a ton of people really care about the subject lol.

 

[SPEN18]

Roy's mom

Whoa whoa whoa
Are you trying to start a paired ending canon war in here?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Whoa whoa whoa
Are you trying to start a paired ending canon war in here?

Well it certainly would be...something new for the thread. But no.

 

[Gengar84]

Luckily, at least a couple of my favorite actors have voiced characters that have some small chance to be chosen for Smash. Whether they’ll actually keep the actors even if the character is chosen is another question. Heres a few that I feel are somewhat realistic options:

Wendee Lee - Lyn
Steve Blum - Sub-Zero and Bill Rizer
Johnny Yong Bosch - Zero
Jamieson Price - Lu Bu
Cristina Vee - Velvet Crowe
Michelle Ruff - Etna
Laura Bailey - Chun-Li

Even some of those are a bit of a stretch but I think they’re all in the realm of possibility at least. Steve Blum is unlikely to voice Sub-Zero even if he does get chosen because they’ve since changed the actor. Same goes for Laura Bailey and Chun-Li.

Does anyone else have any favorite actors and actresses they’d love to see in Smash somehow, even if not as a playable character?

 

[Gorgonzales]

Does anyone else have any favorite actors and actresses they’d love to see in Smash somehow, even if not as a playable character?

Richard Steven Horvitz has a very fun and distinctive voice. Been playing a lot of the Psychonauts duology recently and if Razputin were to ever get in Smash, his role would definitely be reprised by Horvitz unless whatever Nintendo's deal with unions is makes the company avoid casting him, for some reason.

 

[Ivander]

While we’re on the subject of voice actors and actresses, here’s just a few of my favorites that would be cool to hear in Smash somehow.
Johnny Yong Bosch

Laura Bailey

There’s a lot more but I’ll leave it there because I don’t think a ton of people really care about the subject lol.

Johnny Yong Bosch - Zero

Lucina and Zero in Smash Ultimate: "Are we a joke to you?"

 

[Gengar84]

Lucina and Zero in Smash Ultimate: "Are we a joke to you?"

I thought Lucina was played by her new actress in Smash (Alexis Tipton). Alexis did a great job in other appearances emulating Laura’s Lucina portrayal so it’s hard to tell. I did notice Johnny Yong Bosch is Zero in Ultimate but I was mostly referring to playable characters. Still really cool he’s in it at all.

 

[Ivander]

I thought Lucina was played by her new actress in Smash (Alexis Tipton). Alexis did a great job in other appearances emulating Laura’s Lucina portrayal so it’s hard to tell. I did notice Johnny Yong Bosch is Zero in Ultimate but I was mostly referring to playable characters. Still really cool he’s in it at all.

No, Lucina reuses her lines from Smash 4. So in Smash Ultimate, she still uses Laura Bailey's voice.

 

[fogbadge]

Didn’t Jonny Yong Bosch voice Nate in yo-kai watch?

 

[Gengar84]

Didn’t Jonny Yong Bosch voice Nate in yo-kai watch?

Yeah, it looks like he did. I’ve never watched the show so I didn’t know until I looked it up. That is pretty cool.

 

[TheLastMaverickHunter]

That's got me thinking: In Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, both have 10 bosses each (not counting tandem bosses like Master Hand & Crazy Hand or Galeem & Dharkon). Assuming the next game followed suit, which bosses would you pick?

• Master Hand & Crazy Hand
• Fury Bowser
• Lord Fredrik
• Calamity Ganon
• Queen Sectonia
• Mega Rayquaza
• Porky
• Hades
• Dr. Eggman (if he's playable, then Perfect Chaos)
• Rathalos/Dracula
• Jasper Batt Jr.

 

[osby]

I thought Lucina was played by her new actress in Smash (Alexis Tipton). Alexis did a great job in other appearances emulating Laura’s Lucina portrayal so it’s hard to tell. I did notice Johnny Yong Bosch is Zero in Ultimate but I was mostly referring to playable characters. Still really cool he’s in it at all.

That's why they should add Persona 4 protagonist to Smash.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah, it looks like he did. I’ve never watched the show so I didn’t know until I looked it up. That is pretty cool.

I missed a chance to meet him at a convention once. Oh well I was cosplaying as Nate so probably best I didn’t

 

[dezeray112]

Didn’t Jonny Yong Bosch voice Nate in yo-kai watch?

Whilst I do recall Johnny Yong Bosch was more notably well known for playing Adam Park in the second and third season of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, Power Rangers Zeo and Power Rangers Turbo, I also believe he voiced Ichigo Kurosaki in the BLEACH anime as well as Nero in the Devil May Cry franchise.

 

[fogbadge]

Whilst I do recall Johnny Yong Bosch was more notably well known for playing Adam Park in the second and third season of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, Power Rangers Zeo and Power Rangers Turbo, I also believe he voiced Ichigo Kurosaki in the BLEACH anime as well as Nero in the Devil May Cry franchise.

nero was the guy with the arm that everyone hated right?

 

[Ivander]

nero was the guy with the arm that everyone hated right?

Not really. And if they did, not anymore after Devil May Cry 5 where he's regarded very highly by DMC fans to the point where he's a popular fan pick for a new Versus Capcom game and is currently being modded into the UMvC3 Community edition.

 

[dezeray112]

Even some of those are a bit of a stretch but I think they’re all in the realm of possibility at least. Steve Blum is unlikely to voice Sub-Zero even if he does get chosen because they’ve since changed the actor. Same goes for Laura Bailey and Chun-Li.

I could imagine Jennie Kwan who is the current VA for Chun-Li in Street Fighter 6 voicing her if the character were to be in the next Smash game. I'd also expect Kyle Hebert to reprise his role for Ryu though.

 

[fogbadge]

Not really. And if they did, not anymore after Devil May Cry 5 where he's regarded very highly by DMC fans to the point where he's a popular fan pick for a new Versus Capcom game and is currently being modded into the UMvC3 Community edition.

apart from that did I have the right guy?

 

[Ivander]

apart from that did I have the right guy?

I know he has a devil arm, but I've never seen anybody hate on his devil arm or any of his arms in DMC5.

 

[fogbadge]

I know he has a devil arm, but I've never seen anybody hate on his devil arm or any of his arms in DMC5.

i didn’t mean people hated the arm

 

[DarthEnderX]

They are not balanced against the entirety of said stages, which already eliminates a ton of work required.

...that's not how stage balancing works.

They don't balance each character in each stage individually. They build characters that are balanced within the framework of Smash's gameplay. And they build stages that are balanced within the framework of Smash's gameplay.

Hugo isn’t colossal, but he’s the biggest I can think of as a more suitable boss than M. Bison.

SF just doesn't need a Boss in Smash. Any SF character that makes sense as a Boss makes more sense as a Fighter.

It's hard to say since they haven't recently been in the same game, but I think Abigail is bigger.

Hugo is 7'10". Abigail is 8'0".

 

[Gengar84]

I’m curious if there’s any chance we’d get Nero over Dante as a DMC rep. He’s another popular Johhny Yong Bosch character, was the main protagonist in modern titles, and has an awesome theme song in Devil Trigger. I think Dante’s still more likely since he was the original protagonist and is still active in the series but it’s something to think about at least.

 

[Ivander]

I’m curious if there’s any chance we’d get Nero over Dante as a DMC rep. He’s another popular Johhny Yong Bosch character, was the main protagonist in modern titles, and has an awesome theme song in Devil Trigger. I think Dante’s still more likely since he was the original protagonist and is still active in the series but it’s something to think about at least.

Definitely not over Dante. Especially when Sakurai has acknowledged Dante being a popular request with his Mii Costume reveal.

 

[Gengar84]

Definitely not over Dante. Especially when Sakurai has acknowledged Dante being a popular request with his Mii Costume reveal.

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking as well. I’m also not really expecting two DMC characters. If we did get a second down the line, he’s competing with Vergil so I don’t know who’s more likely there.

 

[Oracle Link]

I'm almost sure establishing Studio S, as opposed to the continued ad hoc, per-game assembling of devs is part of the plan to gradually have Sakurai recede in his active role to one of more delegation and oversight, to fully leaving it to them. So I suspect someone from that team succeeds him as director.

Also, after checking, the current Kirby director didn't even join HAL until after Melee, so he has no Smash development experience.

Working on kirby itself is SMash experience!
He also worked on 3 kirby fighting game spinoffs, has had multiple games with tons of collectibles AND has done fanservice bMovesets!
Okay fine he probably didnt do all of that himself but neither did sakurai so i think hes fine!

 

[SharkLord]

I’m curious if there’s any chance we’d get Nero over Dante as a DMC rep. He’s another popular Johhny Yong Bosch character, was the main protagonist in modern titles, and has an awesome theme song in Devil Trigger. I think Dante’s still more likely since he was the original protagonist and is still active in the series but it’s something to think about at least.

Not unless DMC6 is an entirely Nero-focused game. Dante had the whole spotlight for the first three games and SMT3 and was the focus character for half of 4 and 5. Nero only becomes the REAL main character at the end of DMC5. Dante's still far and away the selling point of the series, at least as of current

 

[DarthEnderX]

nero was the guy with the arm that everyone hated right?

People hated him in DMC4 for not being Dante.

People loved him in DMC5 for not being DmC Dante.

 

[osby]

Nero was definitely controversial in his first appearance but idk, that always felt like people hating the new thing for being new. Either that or his moveset obviously being for newcomers.

I think most fans warmed up to his DMC4 incarnation once the game got old enough.

 

[Gengar84]

I like Nero but I don’t know how much of that is bias because he’s played by Johnny Yong Bosch. I had a lot of fun playing both him and Dante in DMC5.

On a side note, I’m curious if Dante took any inspiration from Vincent Valentine from Final Fantasy VII. Their personalities are totally different but they have a lot of similarities in terms of attire, transformations, and guns. They’ve always kind of reminded me of each other for those reasons.

 

[BritishGuy54]

That's got me thinking: In Super Smash Bros. Brawl and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, both have 10 bosses each (not counting tandem bosses like Master Hand & Crazy Hand or Galeem & Dharkon). Assuming the next game followed suit, which bosses would you pick?

1. Giant/Giga/Fury Bowser (Super Mario)
2. Calamity Ganon (Zelda)
3. A New Kirby Boss
4. A New Pikmin Boss
5. Z OR Alpha (Xenoblade)
6. DJ Octavio (Splatoon)
7. Egg Dragoon (Sonic)
8. Rathalos (Monster Hunter)
9. Master Hand & Crazy Hand
10. New OC Villain

 

[Ivander]

I think most fans warmed up to his DMC4 incarnation once the game got old enough.

Kinda happens for most games. Heck, even DmC. Sure, the stigma is definitely still there for DmC, but DmC itself has been acknowledged as a decent game in it's own right. As for DmC Dante, you either hate him with a passion, you don't care for him or you think he's a decent character on his own, but still acknowledge he's not The Dante from the Devil May Cry series.

On a side note, I’m curious if Dante took any inspiration from Vincent Valentine from Final Fantasy VII. Their personalities are totally different but they have a lot of similarities in terms of attire, transformations, and guns. They’ve always kind of reminded me of each other for those reasons.

No. Because Devil May Cry was originally a concept for Resident Evil 4, Dante was originally going to be a policeman like Leon Kennedy and his name was similar to Chris Redfield's name. As for his personality, he was based on Johnson from the Cobra manga series.