Discussion thread for the 2024 USA election

[CannonStreak]

This is the thread for the 2024 USA election. It was previously something else that was related to the election, but now it is this. Feel free to discuss anything about the election itself in the United States here.

Personally, I am worried because I think there is the possibility of Donald Trump winning unfairly. I have a feeling he will try to cheat like he did with having Russia interfere with the next election like with 2016 (and 2020), or worse yet, he will try to find a new way to cheat in the election that authorities might not be ready for. Furthermore, while there are smart people that exist in the USA, I do not really trust the people of the United States to make the right decision in this election, if just most of but not all of them and if for some silly reason. That said, I am not too worried about him winning fairly or what happens if he wins, but I don't really want Donald J. Trump to win the next USA election and I am worried he might cheat to win it. I know he has many cases against him now, but still, those take time, and what if they do not finish before the election and he wins?

I mean, I just hope he does not win and many people in the USA end up being smart enough not to vote for him. I still have my doubts, though.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

It’s going to be a **** show regardless. I’m stocking up on supplies and defense gear just in case things goes south.

 

[CannonStreak]

It’s going to be a **** show regardless. I’m stocking up on supplies and defense gear just in case things goes south.

Well, you do have a point there. In fact, I would personally love to at least watch the **** show, myself, and see what chaos results from it. That, at least, might be fun.

EDIT: By which, I mean what goes on in the election, not in places like these.

 

[Nah]

tbh we're screwed no matter what happens

It's almost certainly going to be Trump v Biden again, and in that scenario the outcomes are:
1) Trump wins, and that's not a good thing
2) Trump doesn't win, but then conservatives do something that will make Jan 6th look like a children's playdate by comparison
3) Biden wins (which is not a good thing) but conservatives do not do anything significant enough to overturn the election

Even if somehow one or both of them don't get the nomination, all the other people most likely to get the nominations will also be awful choices.

 

[Alicorn]

Trump isn't going to win, there are more people who hate him than like him. He is also an insurrectionist so he shouldn't be on the ballot in the first place. Trump is barred the same way anyone who is under 35 and a foreign born citizen.

 

[Sucumbio]

My worry right now is scotus ruling in Trump's favor. He may be an insurrectionist but he was not found guilty of insurrection and that is a problem because these ballot removals are hinging on the fact that he was.

 

[CannonStreak]

My worry right now is scotus ruling in Trump's favor. He may be an insurrectionist but he was not found guilty of insurrection and that is a problem because these ballot removals are hinging on the fact that he was.

Yeah, I am worried about that, too, actually.

 

[MasterCheef]

What I am trying to say is that I think there is the possibility of Donald Trump winning unfairly. I have a feeling he will try to cheat like he did with having Russia interfere with the next election like with 2016 (and 2020), or worse yet, he will try to find a new way to cheat in the election that authorities might not be ready for. Furthermore, while there are smart people that exist in the USA, I do not really trust the people of the United States to make the right decision in this election, if just most of but not all of them and if for some silly reason. That said, I am not too worried about him winning fairly or what happens if he wins, but I don't really want Donald J. Trump to win the next USA election and I am worried he might cheat to win it. I know he has many cases against him now, but still, those take time, and what if they do not finish before the election and he wins?

I mean, I just hope he does not win and many people in the USA end up being smart enough not to vote for him. I still have my doubts, though.

What do you all think? What do you all have to say about this, if you have anything to say?

The Ignorance in this post is quite incredible.
Hillary Stole the Democratic nomination election from Bernie Sanders.
The amount of unpaid essentially free advertising by the left stream media would have cost anyone else literally hundreds of billions to over 1 trillion dollars ,
for both the 2016 & 2020 elections
There is no way a basement dwelling non campaigning major nominee won the election.
There is huge evidence of Election fraud in 2020 for JB.
JB was basically a CCP spy before the election with how much he has gotten paid by the CCP

 

[CannonStreak]

The Ignorance in this post is quite incredible.
Hillary Stole the Democratic nomination election from Bernie Sanders.
The amount of unpaid essentially free advertising by the left stream media would have cost anyone else literally hundreds of billions to over 1 trillion dollars ,
for both the 2016 & 2020 elections
There is no way a basement dwelling non campaigning major nominee won the election.
There is huge evidence of Election fraud in 2020 for JB.
JB was basically a CCP spy before the election with how much he has gotten paid by the CCP

After last time and knowing who you are, I am not falling for any of this.

You are once again, falling for Trump’s lies, as well as for the lies of many of the republicans. I don’t see how you can be relied on here due to that.

 

[MasterCheef]

After last time and knowing who you are, I am not falling for any of this.

You are once again, falling for Trump’s lies, as well as for the lies of many of the republicans. I don’t see how you can be relied on here due to that

RINOs are the designated & very dedicated political losers of the USA

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

I'm not American, but my advice to y'all is two-pronged:

1. Vote! It's not my place to tell you who to vote for, but your vote does matter. Don't let the fear of everything going on around you stop you from doing that. At the end of the day - things won't get better unless people make them better, and one of the best ways to help that happen is with your vote.
2. Keep safe, and don't do anything stupid! I know this probably goes without saying for y'all, but if **** hits the fan, try and keep out of the way of it if you can - and if not, try and bunker down. Don't take the opportunity to go crazy or something, because it'll only go badly for you.

Otherwise... I'll admit things don't look good over there. Keep yourselves safe and informed. It counts, I promise.

 

[Perkilator]

After witnessing the events that are continuing to unfold in Gaza, I just wish we could live in a world that isn’t ruled by heartless, decrepit warmongers.

 

[Oracle Link]

There isnt a thread for it here so im quickly trying to calm you for the rise of the AFD In germany!
Like yeah that party suck and is pretty heavy Right tro extreme Right BUT Its like the only party who didnt get the oppurtunity to **** up as soon as they get in they will **** up! And People will vote for any other party!
NO Germany will almost certainly not be nazis for the next 20-30 Years!
After wards who knows! But No Germany is currently no danger to you guys! You would bulldoze us!

 

[Alicorn]

There isnt a thread for it here so im quickly trying to calm you for the rise of the AFD In germany!
Like yeah that party suck and is pretty heavy Right tro extreme Right BUT Its like the only party who didnt get the oppurtunity to ** up as soon as they get in they will ** up! And People will vote for any other party!
NO Germany will almost certainly not be nazis for the next 20-30 Years!
After wards who knows! But No Germany is currently no danger to you guys! You would bulldoze us!

The clown with the flame thrower hasn't gotten on stage yet so he isn't dangerous

 

[CannonStreak]

You know, after looking on a social media site called Threads, and seeing how many people support Biden and oppose Trump on there, I have a pretty good feeling that this election will go to the blue. (The Democrat party, that is) Sure, what I saw may still be from a not so big number of people, but it is still a good sign. Plus, I have seen news that Latino lawmakers in Pennsylvania and something called the Latino Victory Fund have endorsed Biden, and Trump is not as strong with the population of the USA compared to Biden it seems.

And Trump has been having legal troubles and owes 464 million dollars now. It looks like things aren't going well for Trump, so if he wins, the only logical explanation is that he cheated.

 

[Perkilator]

After witnessing the events that are continuing to unfold in Gaza, I just wish we could live in a world that isn’t ruled by heartless, decrepit warmongers.

After thinking about this some more, I feel like the younger generation needs to stage a revolt against what the world has conditioned us to believe or else nothing’s going to change.

 

[Alicorn]

I have to agree what's going on in Gaza has me enraged. I have never seen President so subserviently to a foreign leader. The more I heard about Gaza and the protest the more I feel Biden just does not care.

 

[MasterCheef]

Trump isn't going to win, there are more people who hate him than like him. He is also an insurrectionist so he shouldn't be on the ballot in the first place. Trump is barred the same way anyone who is under 35 and a foreign born citizen.

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I am quite interested to know how you can be soo certain 45 was behind the supposed insurrection ; when we don't even know of all the 3 letter agencies whjch had treasonous agents there planning to cause violence & destruction , how many there even were ?

 

[Alicorn]

I speak of the wounded and the dying, bought by the hands of someone whom I believed was merciful and you MasterCheef bring up this?

 

[MasterCheef]

I speak of the wounded and the dying, bought by the hands of someone whom I believed was merciful and you MasterCheef bring up this?

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Yes because it is Justice to find out who the real perpetrators are & then have them be brought to judgement

 

[Alicorn]

You are missing the point. I am talking about a current event that has major impact on the 2024 election. You are talking about nothing and I'm not saying that to sound cold hearted. You are talking about something that has nothing to do with the present. But it would be cruel of me to leave your question unanswered so I will answer it.

Trump is an insurrectionist because the Senators who were there said the GOP did not convict Trump because they were afraid for their lives both in the physical and political sense. They all knew he was guilty but refused to preform their constitutional duty.

Second its well known that those agencies you are talking about are staffed by the administration in power. This means that those agencies couldn't turn against Trump because they were hand picked by Trump. Trump is infamous for being picky about who he associates himself with. Trump would not let just anyone in his inner circle.

 

[Nah]

Alicorn you’re surprised at how Biden has been handling Gaza?

 

[Alicorn]

Sadly no, but I wanted to have hope that I would be wrong, I wanted to keep an open mind and give the elderly statesmen a chance.

 

[CannonStreak]

I have to agree what's going on in Gaza has me enraged. I have never seen President so subserviently to a foreign leader. The more I heard about Gaza and the protest the more I feel Biden just does not care.

Odd, I thought Biden was against what Israel's leader was doing in Gaza. I also thought he warned that person on a phone call, and that he was not sending Israel weapons because of what was happening over there.

I am aware that does not mean he is doing something about it much, but that is not what I have heard or have been told.

EDIT: Now, I am aware that there is going to be shipment and aid to Israel from the USA, or is likely to happen, but from what I read, it is apparent that Biden did not want to do that. It was the House republicans who are trying to force that to happen by overriding a pause in sending such aid to Israel. With that said, it was probably more of the House of Congress rather than Biden wanting to do that, and I think the majority of the House (again, the republicans) might be more subservient to Israel than Biden is.

Here are some things that could explain it more.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/4658304-sunday-shows-preview-bidens-threat-to-halt-weapons-to-israel-sparks-gop-outrage/

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4669080-house-passes-bill-undo-bidens-weapons-freeze-to-israel/

Either way, I will admit one thing: I do wish all this carnage against the Palestinians would stop.

 

[StoicPhantom]

Genocide Joe is most certainly just as guilty as anyone in politics. You need only look at the official position being genocide is self-defense and Israel has a right to self-defense (genocide). It's just that he's terrified of his base splitting over Michigan Arabs being outraged over their kinsman being slaughtered and young voters being outraged over everything.

Like, most of the world period is opposed to this genocide and he still can't bring himself to call it a genocide.

 

[Nah]

Odd, I thought Biden was against what Israel's leader was doing in Gaza. I also thought he warned that person on a phone call, and that he was not sending Israel weapons because of what was happening over there.

I am aware that does not mean he is doing something about it much, but that is not what I have heard or have been told.

EDIT: Now, I am aware that there is going to be shipment and aid to Israel from the USA, or is likely to happen, but from what I read, it is apparent that Biden did not want to do that. It was the House republicans who are trying to force that to happen by overriding a pause in sending such aid to Israel. With that said, it was probably more of the House of Congress rather than Biden wanting to do that, and I think the majority of the House (again, the republicans) might be more subservient to Israel than Biden is.

Here are some things that could explain it more.

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/4658304-sunday-shows-preview-bidens-threat-to-halt-weapons-to-israel-sparks-gop-outrage/

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4669080-house-passes-bill-undo-bidens-weapons-freeze-to-israel/

Either way, I will admit one thing: I do wish all this carnage against the Palestinians would stop.

nah he's not opposed to it at all

The suspension of weapons to Israel is not a full-on suspension of weapons shipments, but rather a conditional and temporary pause on one specific weapon (large bombs)--Israel is still getting most of the military aid and intelligence support the US provides it, and Israel was already well-supplied anyway.

The US and Israel overestimated how much Oct 7 was going to let them get away with, so all of the "opposition" Biden has had to anything Israel has been doing since Oct 7 has entirely been PR stunts in order to try to preserve America's self-proclaimed image as the ultimate good guy of the world, as well as try to retain voters in an election year, since it's obvious that Gaza is giving people yet another reason not to vote for him this November. It's all empty words and meaningless gestures and stuff that is far too little, far too late. If the US really cared about the obvious genocide Israel is committing in Gaza, it would be doing a lot more about it, and it does have the power to do so, yet it chooses not to.

Something to keep in mind is that Israel has for pretty much its whole life enjoyed very strong bipartisan support from the US government, and that's not changed one bit. And as (the blue flavor of) American establishment incarnate, Biden was never going to deviate from that. There was never any reason to believe that the U.S., which has been happily supporting Israel's long campaign of discrimination and murder of Palestinians for decades, when the U.S.'s entire history is just one unending chain of oppression, genocide, and imperialism, was ever going to have a moment where Israel went too far for it and have enough of a conscience to try and stop it. Netanyahu knows that, no matter what Israel does, the US will always support it, so it's easy for him to act tough and be all like "Israel will do this alone if we have to!".

The media just likes to overstate Biden's words and gestures (and make it seem that the Democrats are divided on the matter when really it's only a handful of voices that have any serious opposition to the genocide in Gaza) for political reasons--either to try to prop up the idea that, no, Biden/the US isn't condoning genocide as well as basically prepare Netanyahu as a scapegoat if necessary (despite the fact that the problem stems from far more than just Netanyahu), or to portray him as weak and giving into the "radical far left" and abandoning such an important ally (an important ally for American imperialism anyway).

 

[CannonStreak]

nah he's not opposed to it at all

The suspension of weapons to Israel is not a full-on suspension of weapons shipments, but rather a conditional and temporary pause on one specific weapon (large bombs)--Israel is still getting most of the military aid and intelligence support the US provides it, and Israel was already well-supplied anyway.

The US and Israel overestimated how much Oct 7 was going to let them get away with, so all of the "opposition" Biden has had to anything Israel has been doing since Oct 7 has entirely been PR stunts in order to try to preserve America's self-proclaimed image as the ultimate good guy of the world, as well as try to retain voters in an election year, since it's obvious that Gaza is giving people yet another reason not to vote for him this November. It's all empty words and meaningless gestures and stuff that is far too little, far too late. If the US really cared about the obvious genocide Israel is committing in Gaza, it would be doing a lot more about it, and it does have the power to do so, yet it chooses not to.

Something to keep in mind is that Israel has for pretty much its whole life enjoyed very strong bipartisan support from the US government, and that's not changed one bit. And as (the blue flavor of) American establishment incarnate, Biden was never going to deviate from that. There was never any reason to believe that the U.S., which has been happily supporting Israel's long campaign of discrimination and murder of Palestinians for decades, when the U.S.'s entire history is just one unending chain of oppression, genocide, and imperialism, was ever going to have a moment where Israel went too far for it and have enough of a conscience to try and stop it. Netanyahu knows that, no matter what Israel does, the US will always support it, so it's easy for him to act tough and be all like "Israel will do this alone if we have to!".

The media just likes to overstate Biden's words and gestures (and make it seem that the Democrats are divided on the matter when really it's only a handful of voices that have any serious opposition to the genocide in Gaza) for political reasons--either to try to prop up the idea that, no, Biden/the US isn't condoning genocide as well as basically prepare Netanyahu as a scapegoat if necessary (despite the fact that the problem stems from far more than just Netanyahu), or to portray him as weak and giving into the "radical far left" and abandoning such an important ally (an important ally for American imperialism anyway).

And Biden's phone call to Netanyahu to warn him was all for nothing,or was nothing? Plus, do you have proof that that his opposition is PR, all aside from this October 7 thing? What happened in October 7 only does so much, and does not cover or deal with everything Biden thinks on something like this. To me, that is like saying a news source is untrustworthy and biased even though they tell the truth.

Plus, if Biden supports Israel's actions, which I doubt he does, and supports Israel's genocide in Gaza. how do you explain this?

U.S. Begins Construction on Temporary Pier to Deliver Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

Once the pier is completed, it will initially facilitate the delivery of an estimated 90 truckloads of international aid into Gaza and scale to up to 150 truckloads once fully operational.

www.defense.gov

He has been trying to make an aid to deliver aid to people in Gaza, which would probably not happen if Biden was supporting Israel's actions. Also, just because Israel enjoys strong support from the USA does not mean the US can oppose some things they do. Plus, I think you are generalizing the media and what they say about Biden here. Not all news media tell lies, you know. In fact, I think you are just being too untrustworthy of media to the point that you think all of the media can't be trusted. Not all news media is like, say, Fox News, which has a history of being a not-so-good news source.

Plus, just because Israel may be an important ally does not mean the US will not condone what they do and abandon them at the same time. You act like there is no in-between here in regards to the US and Biden supporting Israel or not. It seems you are underestimating the US and Biden here, like you are saying they can either just support Israel or not. It does not have to work that way.

I am not saying Biden is the best here or that he has no flaws, but I do not think his actions are really being understood here, and I think his actions are being dismissed for the wrong reasons. Besides, the unending chain of "oppression, genocide and imperialism" thing, even if that were fully true, you do not seem to realize that there have been good events in the USA, too, like civil rights movements and other changes and good things. I think you are just focusing on the bad things of the USA, plus, the USA is not the only one guilty of those things, too.

 

[Nah]

And Biden's phone call to Netanyahu to warn him was all for nothing,or was nothing? Plus, do you have proof that that his opposition is PR, all aside from this October 7 thing? What happened in October 7 only does so much, and does not cover or deal with everything Biden thinks on something like this. To me, that is like saying a news source is untrustworthy and biased even though they tell the truth.

I mean, look at it this way: this is very obviously genocide, Israel has never been very subtle about it. And since it is genocide, one of the worst crimes humanity can commit against itself, why hold anything back, why not go all in on condemning it? It's not for a lack of ability to do much about it, as the US is fully capable of putting real pressure on Israel. It can withhold all military aid to Israel, and since the US is Israel's biggest supplier of arms, that would really hurt its ability to wage war. The US could refuse to collaborate with Israeli intelligence agencies, which would have some degree of impact on Israel's war machine. The US could stop vetoing nearly every goddamn UN resolution that wants to do something about what's been happening in Gaza. American media could be taking a stance against the obvious genocide. The US could've been delivering real aid to Palestinians and forcing Israel to accept it.

And yet, we see none of that happening. The US still provides ample support to Israel, it vetoes **** all the time in the UN, and most media organizations are spending their time painting the college protests as inherently antisemitic and that the protests are calling for a second Holocaust, mindlessly repeating the tired old lines about how "Israel has a right to defend itself". The US withdrew its part of of funding from the main relief agency in that region the moment Israel brought up still unsubstantiated claims that UNRWA participated in Hamas' Oct 7 attack.

The US is not doing everything it can to help stop the genocide, and so the only logical conclusion is that it condones the genocide. It's not something you get to be gray about, you're either for it or against it.

Plus, if Biden supports Israel's actions, which I doubt he does, and supports Israel's genocide in Gaza. how do you explain this?

U.S. Begins Construction on Temporary Pier to Deliver Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

Once the pier is completed, it will initially facilitate the delivery of an estimated 90 truckloads of international aid into Gaza and scale to up to 150 truckloads once fully operational.

www.defense.gov

He has been trying to make an aid to deliver aid to people in Gaza, which would probably not happen if Biden was supporting Israel's actions. Also, just because Israel enjoys strong support from the USA does not mean the US can oppose some things they do.

Like I said before, it's too little, too late. Construction of a single pier several months after the start of the war when Gaza is and has been facing starvation and a general lack of basic necessities as a direct result of Israeli military action does not constitute meaningful attempts at dealing with the problem. Nevermind that once the aid makes it to the pier, it still has to make its way to people across Gaza, where Israelis might just attack the trucks and/or people trying to get aid anyway ( 1 2 3 ).

Plus, I think you are generalizing the media and what they say about Biden here. Not all news media tell lies, you know. In fact, I think you are just being too untrustworthy of media to the point that you think all of the media can't be trusted. Not all news media is like, say, Fox News, which has a history of being a not-so-good news source.

Sure, maybe not all the time, but most still lie or twist the truth enough that everyone should not take them at face value. Some are also just more subtle about their biases--ones like Fox News are not subtle about it and that's why it's one of the poster children for biased American news. It's always good to be a little wary and skeptical of any media organization, lest they become propaganda machines instead of journalism institutions. Which, if we're going to bring up the US Civil Rights movement, to quote one of its prominent figures:
"The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power."
"If you are not careful, the newspaper will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing oppressing."

Plus, just because Israel may be an important ally does not mean the US will not condone what they do and abandon them at the same time. You act like there is no in-between here in regards to the US and Biden supporting Israel or not. It seems you are underestimating the US and Biden here, like you are saying they can either just support Israel or not. It does not have to work that way.

I am not saying Biden is the best here or that he has no flaws, but I do not think his actions are really being understood here, and I think his actions are being dismissed for the wrong reasons. Besides, the unending chain of "oppression, genocide and imperialism" thing, even if that were fully true, you do not seem to realize that there have been good events in the USA, too, like civil rights movements and other changes and good things. I think you are just focusing on the bad things of the USA, plus, the USA is not the only one guilty of those things, too.

I have what is a rather unpopular view of both the USA and the world in general. Most people want to believe that the system is generally fine and that at most we just need to push it back on track when necessary, that when the system breaks you just have to fix it. I, however, don't think that the system is inherently good, and that it's not broken or needs to get back on track, but really that it is working as intended and what we see today is the inevitable result of such a system.
The world could be such a better place than it is now, yet it's not, in part because most people still refuse to even entertain the idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with how human civilization has operated. And you cannot begin to fix a problem if you do not even acknowledge that their is a problem or what the problem truly is in the first place.
A lot of the "progress" made over time has not truly been progress, just things that grant the illusion that progress has been made, the oppression becoming more subtle and more manipulative. The things that could be considered baby steps of progress are under constant threat of being undone, like how we lost Roe v Wade a couple of years ago.

and yes, I am aware that the US is hardly the only ****ed up place on the planet

 

[CannonStreak]

I mean, look at it this way: this is very obviously genocide, Israel has never been very subtle about it. And since it is genocide, one of the worst crimes humanity can commit against itself, why hold anything back, why not go all in on condemning it? It's not for a lack of ability to do much about it, as the US is fully capable of putting real pressure on Israel. It can withhold all military aid to Israel, and since the US is Israel's biggest supplier of arms, that would really hurt its ability to wage war. The US could refuse to collaborate with Israeli intelligence agencies, which would have some degree of impact on Israel's war machine. The US could stop vetoing nearly every goddamn UN resolution that wants to do something about what's been happening in Gaza. American media could be taking a stance against the obvious genocide. The US could've been delivering real aid to Palestinians and forcing Israel to accept it.

And yet, we see none of that happening. The US still provides ample support to Israel, it vetoes **** all the time in the UN, and most media organizations are spending their time painting the college protests as inherently antisemitic and that the protests are calling for a second Holocaust, mindlessly repeating the tired old lines about how "Israel has a right to defend itself". The US withdrew its part of of funding from the main relief agency in that region the moment Israel brought up still unsubstantiated claims that UNRWA participated in Hamas' Oct 7 attack.

The US is not doing everything it can to help stop the genocide, and so the only logical conclusion is that it condones the genocide. It's not something you get to be gray about, you're either for it or against it.


Like I said before, it's too little, too late. Construction of a single pier several months after the start of the war when Gaza is and has been facing starvation and a general lack of basic necessities as a direct result of Israeli military action does not constitute meaningful attempts at dealing with the problem. Nevermind that once the aid makes it to the pier, it still has to make its way to people across Gaza, where Israelis might just attack the trucks and/or people trying to get aid anyway ( 1 2 3 ).


Sure, maybe not all the time, but most still lie or twist the truth enough that everyone should not take them at face value. Some are also just more subtle about their biases--ones like Fox News are not subtle about it and that's why it's one of the poster children for biased American news. It's always good to be a little wary and skeptical of any media organization, lest they become propaganda machines instead of journalism institutions. Which, if we're going to bring up the US Civil Rights movement, to quote one of its prominent figures:
"The media’s the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that’s power."
"If you are not careful, the newspaper will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing oppressing."


I have what is a rather unpopular view of both the USA and the world in general. Most people want to believe that the system is generally fine and that at most we just need to push it back on track when necessary, that when the system breaks you just have to fix it. I, however, don't think that the system is inherently good, and that it's not broken or needs to get back on track, but really that it is working as intended and what we see today is the inevitable result of such a system.
The world could be such a better place than it is now, yet it's not, in part because most people still refuse to even entertain the idea that there is something fundamentally wrong with how human civilization has operated. And you cannot begin to fix a problem if you do not even acknowledge that their is a problem or what the problem truly is in the first place.
A lot of the "progress" made over time has not truly been progress, just things that grant the illusion that progress has been made, the oppression becoming more subtle and more manipulative. The things that could be considered baby steps of progress are under constant threat of being undone, like how we lost Roe v Wade a couple of years ago.

and yes, I am aware that the US is hardly the only ****ed up place on the planet

Well, I must admit, you do have some good points here. That said, I wish to say...

Well, as said when I was talking to someone else through PM, this situation is a lot more complicated than it may seem. I mean, even if Biden truly did not support Israel's actions, he is the leader of a country (the USA) that has only one ally in the Middle East, that country being Israel. That said, support or not, it is not like the USA under any president could effectively turn on and completely disavow and disown Israel because of the aforementioned reason about being its ally.

Not many people seem to see that this is not simple, and needless to say, that does not make things any better. Still, the USA is still in a hard place with Israel as of now. Either way, even if this while thing, complex or simple, is not good, I do hope you can see the complexity of this situation, and I think you can as you seem to be the kind of guy who can.

Obviously, the United States is not perfect, or anywhere close to that, and this situation, I say, is not an easy one for presidents like Biden, not that I am defending him, I am just making a point. As said by the person I spoke to through PM, Biden is trying to be sympathetic to those in Gaza while showing solidarity to those who are Jewish in the US. That is no easy job, and I can see Biden lose supporters who are from or support Gaza or are Jewish, maybe a lot, given how hard this is.

I am not trying to change your stance on Biden here, for I am just saying this is a complex situation, and while I would like to say or even wish it were simpler, it is not. And I am aware that Biden has his flaws, which may likely not help in a situation like this.

By the way, if I may ask, even though you don't have to answer, are you from the USA or another location outside the USA? You can refrain from saying which country you are from if you'd like.

 

[Nah]

By the way, if I may ask, even though you don't have to answer, are you from the USA or another location outside the USA? You can refrain from saying which country you are from if you'd like.

I am from the United States yes. Been here my whole life and have never been to another country before.

 

[Sucumbio]

Right now I'm unable to understand President Biden, as if he's missing his bottom lip. It's getting a bit repetitive seeing him like this and wondering when he's gonna fall out on stage. He needs help or at least subtitles.