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*NEW* Official R.O.B. Boards Stage Discussion(Currently discussing Halberd) UPDATED!
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GwJ
Smash Hero
Basically
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Silhouette
Smash Lord
Uneven ground changes positioning/how you fight.
Chars like Diddy are just the ones most affected by it.
Chars like Diddy are just the ones most affected by it.
Sudai
Stuff here
I think the neutrals should be FD, BF, and Smashville. That's it. People like diversity though so YI was added since it's "so close" and then they needed a 5th for striking (be it Lylat or PS1) so they have two not-really-neutrals as neutrals. :/
Heartstring
Smash Legend
i agree, but im not part of the sbr, so i cant do ****, anyway, can we get back on topic, anyone else we should/shouldn't take to ps1?
GwJ
Smash Hero
Sheik's not bad there and neither is link. I prefer to take the mother boys to FD so I can camp them better and gimp them better...ly.
rPSIvysaur
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I prefer to take ROB to FD so I can camp him better.
Lylat and Yoshi's are way better against Lucas.
Lylat and Yoshi's are way better against Lucas.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
i suppose, the thing is now we're getting less and less to discuss in terms of stges because we know less about them. but yeah, let me go eat dinner and take a dump, possibly watch england vs. USA in the world cup, adn ill do a write up on lylat, its one of my better stages (that's because of ike again)
sneakytako
Smash Lord
I've been thinking this for awhile that we need a new format to rate stages.
So for example Lylat
The Shape of the area - Tall ceiling, Large stage, short/medium sides.
Idk i just wanted a new format q.q, someone who knows what they're talking about create some SOP.
Pretty much the first three points should be discussed for every stage, and THEN janky stuff imo. Someone do it for Smashville :D
So for example Lylat
The Shape of the area - Tall ceiling, Large stage, short/medium sides.
- Good against - chars that kill up, chars that prefer smaller stages to rack dmg.
- Bad against - Light chars we like to kill up/difficult to kill, chars who can camp
- Good against - Chars who don't like platforms, chars who need to stay close.
- Bad Against - Chars who do ^
- Good against - People with generally poor recovery, people with vertical recovery
- Bad against - ?
Tilting Stage - Messes up recoveries, messes up tech-chases/followups
Conclusion - blahblahblah- Good against - Diddy, Lucario the most imo
- Bad against - Olimar, DK, MK (tilting stage helps Machtornado both off and on the stage imo)
- Good against - Chars that like to edgeguard.
- Bad against - Chars that can stagespike from the stage with janky hitboxes (Snake Up-tilt, MK - Fsmash, who knows what else)
Idk i just wanted a new format q.q, someone who knows what they're talking about create some SOP.
Pretty much the first three points should be discussed for every stage, and THEN janky stuff imo. Someone do it for Smashville :D
Heartstring
Smash Legend
oh-kay i'm back, the football was fun, i would like to ask our keeper wtf he was doing on usa's goal though...
lylat cruise:
+tilting ruins certain recoveries, but not ours (falco, fox, wolf, marth, zelda, EB kids)
+gimping becomes easier to do under the stage
+short, thin stage makes it easy to recover underneath
+surprisingly close side blastzone means easier kills with fair/bair/b-throw>laser
+platforms are HIGHER than the ones on battlefield so less characters can effectively pressure r.o.b on a platform (e.g: mario, fox)
=lively background can distract less focused players
-oddly slanted floor can cause unwanted bouncing from the laser
-tilting can cause the gyro to be awkward to pick up
i can't see this stage hindering r.o.b any more than it hinders other characters, other than maybe with gyro pickup, it's an odd stage because its almost battlefield, but with the slight tilting changing so much of the gameplay it makes it only a semi-neutral. this is THE stage to take falco to, seeing as its a pretty horrible matchup for us and he hates this stage, second only to wolf in ledge **** here (take him here too) sadly its common that any of those characters will ban this stage because if your recovery has a wierd ledgegrab, chances are this stage is the worst for you.
one small, wierd thing to note is the platforms are a little higher than the ones on battlefield, so if a character has a move which only just reaches through a platform on battlefield (such as falco's u-tilt) its probably not gonna hit you through the platform here, this does not effect r.o.b's platform pressure so it can only be an advantage.
overall, its not all that great, but not too shabby afterall, i would say its like the lovechild of battlefield and yoshi's island, but the bad things yoshi's has normally effect other characters more than it would effect you on yoshi's
character to take here:
wolf
falco
fox
zelda
lucario (possibly)
ice climbers
characters to NOT take here:
olimar (the dodgy ledges are more forgiving on tether recoveries than even r.o.b's)
DK (continues to have amazing platform pressure without messing up recovery)
MK (mega scrooging alert)
king dedede, when the stage is tilted upwards he can standing chain grab r.o.b
total rating: 6/10
contribution is needed, i'm not all that sharp on this stage
lylat cruise:
+tilting ruins certain recoveries, but not ours (falco, fox, wolf, marth, zelda, EB kids)
+gimping becomes easier to do under the stage
+short, thin stage makes it easy to recover underneath
+surprisingly close side blastzone means easier kills with fair/bair/b-throw>laser
+platforms are HIGHER than the ones on battlefield so less characters can effectively pressure r.o.b on a platform (e.g: mario, fox)
=lively background can distract less focused players
-oddly slanted floor can cause unwanted bouncing from the laser
-tilting can cause the gyro to be awkward to pick up
i can't see this stage hindering r.o.b any more than it hinders other characters, other than maybe with gyro pickup, it's an odd stage because its almost battlefield, but with the slight tilting changing so much of the gameplay it makes it only a semi-neutral. this is THE stage to take falco to, seeing as its a pretty horrible matchup for us and he hates this stage, second only to wolf in ledge **** here (take him here too) sadly its common that any of those characters will ban this stage because if your recovery has a wierd ledgegrab, chances are this stage is the worst for you.
one small, wierd thing to note is the platforms are a little higher than the ones on battlefield, so if a character has a move which only just reaches through a platform on battlefield (such as falco's u-tilt) its probably not gonna hit you through the platform here, this does not effect r.o.b's platform pressure so it can only be an advantage.
overall, its not all that great, but not too shabby afterall, i would say its like the lovechild of battlefield and yoshi's island, but the bad things yoshi's has normally effect other characters more than it would effect you on yoshi's
character to take here:
wolf
falco
fox
zelda
lucario (possibly)
ice climbers
characters to NOT take here:
olimar (the dodgy ledges are more forgiving on tether recoveries than even r.o.b's)
DK (continues to have amazing platform pressure without messing up recovery)
MK (mega scrooging alert)
king dedede, when the stage is tilted upwards he can standing chain grab r.o.b
total rating: 6/10
contribution is needed, i'm not all that sharp on this stage
Heartstring
Smash Legend
bumped for this thread needs to live, we aint even done all the neutrals yet
Heartstring
Smash Legend
yeah, but some straight lined recoveries aren't so bad here, ikes works fine here (but that's because you cna sort of move during the animation) so only a few characters hate this for recovery
Heartstring
Smash Legend
providing im here, it wont ever be inactive XP
So we're on Lylat huh? Hmmm.....not a bad stage for ROB. The platforms are short enough for us to Utilt/smash and hit anyone. The tilting edges help our gimp game of characters that can't hang with us (Dream Land team). It's small, so camping isn't as comfortable on thi sstage, but it also emphasizes aerial combat in a sense, which ROB is no slouch at either. It gets a 6:10 for me. But avoid The Dream Land squad, ZSS, DK, Olimar, TL, and Snake here IMO.
Yeah, but we need more people to make a more accurate list. =P
Zwarm
Smash Hero
It would help if this was more organized/kept up to date, what stage are we even on anymore? It's definitely not Smashville.
Heartstring
Smash Legend
we're now on lylat, we've done fd, bf, sv, ps1, yi and now on lylat, so the 6th stage. of course ive inputted all my data, except for thsi one last thing:
r.o.b u-tilt does NOT go through the middle platform, turns out this one is a little higher than the other two
Spin
Smash Journeyman
just curious, but why do we not take any one with tethers to the stage?
Heartstring
Smash Legend
the tilting only messes up characters with a linear recovery (by this i mean only travels in a straight line) such as fox, falco or wolf's recovery
now the thing with a tether recovery is that despite how easy it is to edgehog them, if its in range it will always auto-sweetspot the ledge, so minor tilting is-in the long run-probably going to be better for tether recovery
also gonig to add icies to the list of people to take here
Heartstring
Smash Legend
yes we should, onto lets say, halberd?
screw it, you pick, ill write up on it
Spin
Smash Journeyman
Halberd works. fun to shark with riasing ariels. i tend to like it. just don't take Snake here. the second part of the stage is good for camping. and you can throw people into the combo cannon and into the bombs.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
wow we have a stage discussion thread
Heartstring
Smash Legend
ok well ill do the write up tomorrow, its bedtime for me now (uk timezones son)
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Spin
Smash Journeyman
we are discussing Halberd forrealz, no lie =]
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The title says you're lying.
I already messaged Mizu about this.
I already messaged Mizu about this.
Silhouette
Smash Lord
GwJ
Smash Hero
How IS Halberd for ROB? I can only remember actually going there against two characters.
1st one: Snake mains cping me here and ******
2nd one: My first tourney, I cped a Fox main here and learned the matchup (Ftilt lol) and *****.
1st one: Snake mains cping me here and ******
2nd one: My first tourney, I cped a Fox main here and learned the matchup (Ftilt lol) and *****.
Silhouette
Smash Lord
Its one of ROBs best, and pretty much my favorite CP.
10/10
10/10
stingers
Smash Obsessed
really o.o seems like the low ceiling would hurt us since we barely kill with usmash/uthrow anyway. i guess certain angles of nair are easier to kill with but I have a hard time hitting with nair due to the platform in the middle (when it stops moving I mean).
i dont think its that great but thats just me =/
i dont think its that great but thats just me =/
Silhouette
Smash Lord
The platform makes U-smash kills more practical.
and if they shield it its not like they can punish you, and if it pushes them off its a potential jab lock/Fsmash.
and if they shield it its not like they can punish you, and if it pushes them off its a potential jab lock/Fsmash.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
people are hardly on the platform to where we can usmash them x.x its easier said then done
GwJ
Smash Hero
Doesn't halberd kill our camp game?
Zwarm
Smash Hero
Don't bring Pit to Halberd, I learned that the hard way. -_-