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Actually, yeah. It is kith and mata!!! Goos sheeeee T-block. And that was an interesting read. I already knew it though Mata has by probably the best charizard in the states. Ive played reflex and kiths squirtle and they are better than mata's, but not by much. Reflex is just a super smart player in general though.Those would be Mata and Kith, right? I hear Kith puts the hurt on Snake pretty well =P
PT is a character who looks underrated until you realize people just aren't playing gay enough. None of the three can deal with ledge stalling very well, and that's a problem when your pokemon gets weaker the longer it's out. Playing more defensively against the pokemon you have the most trouble with (usually Squirtle for most people/matchups) can make PT a lot easier to deal with, since when fatigued we lose damage, knockback and hitstun.
That leads to a part of PT's metagame that I feel is somewhat unexplored: how well can PT deal with this? This article might be relevant if anyone wants to give it a read, but it's written for the PT side of things - http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=264340. I think he has the potential to rise, but it's not obvious that he should yet.
One thing to note is that an individual pokemon's weakness is not as big a deal as if they were individual characters. If Ivysaur can't reliably land a KO move, which is the case in some matchups if your opponent is playing carefully, then Ivysaur doesn't have to be the one that gets the KO, etc.
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No wonder Ivysaur is bad!Also, Ivysaur is a girl.
This is one of the primary issues with PT. In theory, he should be able to overcome any matchup by using the diversity of the 3 characters. Unfortunately, they all have similar weaknesses and therefor he is much more one dimensional than he was intended to be.There are definitely characters that destroy PT - having three matchups to work with is nice, but it happens quite often that none of the three have an advantage against a certain character =(
I didn't mean to say they just practice one. I guess what I mean to say is they focus mostly on whichever one they like the most or already the best with, even in actual matches. I've never actually met any PT players who didn't have a clear pokemon of focus in their game.Nobody who plays PT seriously would only practise one pokemon lol
I think strategies like planking against Squirtle are effective, but it's not the end of Pokemon Trainer if that starts becoming popular. I've recently been messing around with strategies where I actually make a full switch cycle before even getting my first KO. In some matchups, where none of the three get hard-countered, I think that kind of playstyle has potential, after a bit of practice and refinement.
None of the pokemon can really deal with planking though... especially Squirtle.
Wow, I didn't even realize Squirtle Usmash was that strong. I think a fresh Squirtle beats MK. He just gets the hits and the kills so much easier. Of course, MK can just plank this awaay.Aposl/TKO from here in MD use PT. From what I've gathered:
vs. MK - Squirtle can move himself nicely around MK's zone. He has high priority aerials that resemble Kirby's b-air, but they're a bit faster maybe because of his mobility. His f-air is kinda strong. Squirtle can up-tilt trap MK at 0% maybe 2 or 3 times kinda like Fox. Probably can SDI but the up-tilts come really fast so it's a bit hard to predict and react to. Uh... and Squirtle can kill MK with his up-smash at around 80%.
Ivysaur and Charizard seem to get wrecked. Moreso Ivysaur because of his recovery. Charizard has a few gimmicks to combat MK, but his size makes it difficult to get around freely.
These posts are worth looking at.Can you detail for me a bit of how the Pokemon Trainer vs. MK match-up goes?
How about vs. Snake? I don't know much about either of those two MUs, outside theory-craft and a couple of vids.
I can give my numbers off the top of my head (I try to factor in fatigue, how much each Pokémon will be used, etc.)--I've seen people classifying PT's matchups by Squirtle, Charizard, Ivysaur and all the three. Would like to see how the Meta Knight, Snake and Falco matchups go in all these four ways, and what character does better and worse against them.
It seems daunting at first, but it's really not as bad as it's made out to be.From what I've seen and played, the PT vs ICs matchup seems really, really terrible @_@ I definitely think it's worse than DDD, but since we actually have two PT mains in here, what's it actually like?
Did I miss anything?I am a genius.
I'm on the phone now, but when I finish this call, I'll post links and set everyone straight.