Falcon Mind-Meld: A Captain Falcon Matchup Thread (now on: EDGEGUARDING))

0Room · Feb 21, 2011

uthrow-knee around 100%
uthrow->fsmash starts as low at 83%
Knee->grab at 0%
Can stomp->knee 50-100%
dropzone->knee 70-140ish
Dtilt->knee 70-110%
uthrow->ftilt around 80%

Anything else?

Walt · Feb 22, 2011

uthrow > dsmash 90%ish on fastfallers, for front hit, back hit I think will always get jumped out of.
uthrow > fsmash 100%ish on fastfallers
dropzone on sheik and ganon 35%-45%
uthrow > dtilt 60%ish on fastfallers
dtilt > grab I don't remember, someone check
nair > grab can be actually combo'd I think at like 15% but people will usually let you do it at 0%, gogo tick throws. provided it doesn't get CC'd, which it should at low percents and you should get insta-grabbed.

Mokumo · Feb 22, 2011

uhhh dropzone on fox starts working at 40%

0Room · Feb 22, 2011

Mokumo said:
uhhh dropzone on fox starts working at 40%

does it really?
People always jump out of it for me.

It never works reliably for me until about 70%ish and other people have also said the same for them.

Wenbobular · Feb 22, 2011

Depends on DI
Also depends on how close you are to the ledge
Also depends on how fast you are at running out of grab (I suck at it ... sigh -_- stupid Sheik)

Mokumo · Feb 22, 2011

if they DI away it will never, ever work. if they're at higher % and they DI way in it won't work either, i usually bust out a low angled Ftilt or something. im talking about fox/falco/falcon here though

painlord k11 · Feb 22, 2011

when I play falcon when fighting a fox and just got shined off edge if the fox is predicting youl up B again and wants to shine you again just to be a troll. what I like to do is just befor the try to shine me just Up Air them since your gonna die either way miles well take them out with you. works well on dreamland the up air has a chance to send them under dreamland for the and betime they fire fox they are waffle coned haha. could stage up on other stages if they dont tech cause its high unexpected. just 1 of my nooby tactics i dont even main falcon.

J_Noodles · Feb 22, 2011

painlord k11 said:
when I play falcon when fighting a fox and just got shined off edge if the fox is predicting youl up B again and wants to shine you again just to be a troll. what I like to do is just befor the try to shine me just Up Air them since your gonna die either way miles well take them out with you. works well on dreamland the up air has a chance to send them under dreamland for the and betime they fire fox they are waffle coned haha. could stage up on other stages if they dont tech cause its high unexpected. just 1 of my nooby tactics i dont even main falcon.

LOL, I think I did this once on yoshi's story; it was my last stock and after shining me, he decided to go all the way down and shine me again but I uaired and he got stage spiked pretty bad.

J_Noodles · Feb 22, 2011

Just to make a note, u-throw to d-throw-dropzone works well for me if the fox doesn't di the u-throw. It should work at percents where u-throw chaingrab is possible, so around 60% or so.

Mokumo · Feb 23, 2011

painlord k11 said:
when I play falcon when fighting a fox and just got shined off edge if the fox is predicting youl up B again and wants to shine you again just to be a troll. what I like to do is just befor the try to shine me just Up Air them since your gonna die either way miles well take them out with you. works well on dreamland the up air has a chance to send them under dreamland for the and betime they fire fox they are waffle coned haha. could stage up on other stages if they dont tech cause its high unexpected. just 1 of my nooby tactics i dont even main falcon.

i did that to jman once =P it was back when he started experimenting with holding your shine off stage and then jumping out into a bair/anything.

dropzone is borringggg ._____________.

at least from dthrow, everyone knows how to do that. what are the %s for bair -> dropzone (runoff knee), knee -> dropzone, uair dropzone, nair dropzone, **** even dair dropzone. i'm pretty sure i've done all of these before but i wasn't paying attention to the percentages.

Windrose · Mar 21, 2011

What happened to this mind-meld. Let's keep going!

Is there a way to prevent ever from getting the reverse knee dropzone? Reverse kneeing on dropzone is the worst... they tech it and you get owned.

Mokumo · Mar 21, 2011

use the c stick and let go of the control stick as soon as possible. i think their DI and % has a lot to do with it too

_Rocky_ · Mar 21, 2011

just uair/ftilt if they di inwards on the dthrow imo

Mokumo · Mar 22, 2011

so if we're gonna keep this mindmeld going... do you guys want to officially move on to a different matchup? i feel like the thread died in part because of that.

DuckPimp · Mar 22, 2011

sure, i think switching to a different matchup would be just fine. someone mentioned a samus matchup, and we can mention samus for a bit, but i think going a falco-type direction would be more beneficial and relevant as a whole.
as always, we can go back whenever it is needed

that said, lets talk falco

Mokumo · Mar 22, 2011

falco's my worst matchup. but a lot of the %s are the same as fox

Walt · Mar 22, 2011

Yeah but a MU is more than just what percentages you can do a 2-hit combo on them at. Tricks to getting around lasers, what Falcon can do about pillaring, how to avoid and DI the auto combos, the inability to challenge Falco in the air, utilt is gay, etc.

Wenbobular · Mar 22, 2011

I played PeePee at G6
If he didn't airdodge off the edge I think I would've gotten solidly 4 stocked twice
The depression

CaptainNanD0 · Mar 23, 2011

I play with chops frequently and we go even or i win majority. I'm very familiar with the falco MU, i see falco as fox with a projectile that can stop you lol What i do that works is when he starts to laser camp i just shield and wd oos towards him little by little. Then when i get close to him i either grab, space knee, nair, or space uair(i prefer uair) don't dair it's sucks unless you know you're gonna get it. When he starts his pressure BS on my shield with nair shine/pillars etc i just buffer roll or full hop(full hop is mad safe) you can also shield DI away from his pressure or point your shield upwards to mess up his timing. Then just grab and tech chase and ****, a lot of falcons i see don't wait for the tech they just wanna guess where they're gonna go to knee or dair. Hax and myself like to wait and regrab then after we know their patterns we start to use knees/dairs as tech chases. As for shdl from the ledge full hop stomp is your best bet, i like to knee it before the lasers come out it's too good lol If you time it right you'll get the knee or it'll clank with his laser but it doesn't matter he's dead. Crouch cancel dtilt is also **** vs shdl a lot of people don't use it, cause if he's at enough percent he'll pop up and you can knee him or if he's at low percent you'll take his jump and he'll go down and then easy edgeguard. LOL i never post but i wanna start to help now with w.e i can

Metal Reeper · Mar 23, 2011

Nando ily <3 you should def post a lot more. I really think a lot of people would take it to heart.

0Room · Mar 23, 2011

Yeah that was interesting stuff Nand0

Windrose · Mar 23, 2011

Wow that was quite an insight, I'm going to try to apply that. The one thing I'm not too sure about is the slowly wd oos toward the falco when they're lasering. That seems kinda awkward...

I think it's probably a good idea to eventually get a grip on powershielding lasers no matter what char you play against falco. it's always good to know

Wenbobular · Mar 28, 2011

I think the reason why most people who aren't good are bad vs Falco is because they don't have out of shield timings down

I certainly don't
Sigh -_-

MikeHaggarTHAKJB · Mar 28, 2011

CaptainNanD0 said:
I play with chops frequently and we go even or i win majority. I'm very familiar with the falco MU, i see falco as fox with a projectile that can stop you lol What i do that works is when he starts to laser camp i just shield and wd oos towards him little by little. Then when i get close to him i either grab, space knee, nair, or space uair(i prefer uair) don't dair it's sucks unless you know you're gonna get it. When he starts his pressure BS on my shield with nair shine/pillars etc i just buffer roll or full hop(full hop is mad safe) you can also shield DI away from his pressure or point your shield upwards to mess up his timing. Then just grab and tech chase and ****, a lot of falcons i see don't wait for the tech they just wanna guess where they're gonna go to knee or dair. Hax and myself like to wait and regrab then after we know their patterns we start to use knees/dairs as tech chases. As for shdl from the ledge full hop stomp is your best bet, i like to knee it before the lasers come out it's too good lol If you time it right you'll get the knee or it'll clank with his laser but it doesn't matter he's dead. Crouch cancel dtilt is also **** vs shdl a lot of people don't use it, cause if he's at enough percent he'll pop up and you can knee him or if he's at low percent you'll take his jump and he'll go down and then easy edgeguard. LOL i never post but i wanna start to help now with w.e i can

do you mean cc the first laser and dtilt before the second one? or crouch under it?

CaptainNanD0 · Mar 28, 2011

mikehaggar, both ways work cause if the falco shdl from the ledge too high you go under it, if he does it low take the first hit then dtilt

MikeHaggarTHAKJB · Mar 29, 2011

alright that sounds hella useful, i always have problems punishing low lhdl's. thanks mate=D

Hax · Mar 29, 2011

im thinking of writing a falcon guide.. i feel like this game's community isn't as big as it could be because its not very inviting for beginners. it would take a mad long time though

V3ctorMan · Mar 29, 2011

@Hax - you should

btw - my falcon's really bad... I think I only know how to play low tier(s) someone help me get good?

MikeHaggarTHAKJB · Mar 29, 2011

hax said:
im thinking of writing a falcon guide.. I feel like this game's community isn't as big as it could be because its not very inviting for beginners. It would take a mad long time though

THAT WOULD ****ING ****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdMZ1qrn6k

Windrose · Mar 29, 2011

Hax said:
im thinking of writing a falcon guide.. i feel like this game's community isn't as big as it could be because its not very inviting for beginners. it would take a mad long time though

That would be awesome!

You should work with scar. He already has it under construction. I am sure if you guys split it up or something it will be alot easier. S2j, nand0 and other more experienced people can contribute too?

ETWIST51294 · Mar 29, 2011

GG7 and $mike should help too.

$mike · Mar 30, 2011

Hax said:
im thinking of writing a falcon guide.. i feel like this game's community isn't as big as it could be because its not very inviting for beginners. it would take a mad long time though

you definitely should

i'd recommend the same layout as mango's old guide for puff. it was really simple - the main pointers listed for each matchup, followed by a brief summary. i think this is both the most effective and least time consuming way to go.

for the record i'd be down to help, plus others would probably be willing to as well... though i'm sure you can do it on your own. your advice *****

Roneblaster · Mar 30, 2011

the guide would clearly be better served by being written by me.

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Wenbobular · Mar 30, 2011

Do it Hax!
Get s2j in on that collab too haha

0Room · Mar 30, 2011

/ignore V3ctorman

I try and help people get rid of bad habits on the Video Critique thread
Whether or not it works is up to you, but if you want to post something there, we can help you pick out what's good and what's bad.

Aussierob123 · Mar 30, 2011

def think you should hax, I'd ****ing read it and read it again every time I lose, and read it instead of studying.

And eventually I would pwn.

And while you're at it, you should come to australia, or otherwise get good at brawl as well and be sponsored to come to an aus major like we sponsored m2k. yepppp that would be pretty sweet.

ETWIST51294 · Mar 30, 2011

Roneblaster said:
the guide would clearly be better served by being written by me.

biggestrollfaceever.jpg

"how to hit shyguys"

CommonerCoffee · Apr 8, 2011

Here's another person requesting a guide written by Hax =D

Deleted member · Apr 8, 2011

i was thinking of making guides/videos

but all i know is.. defense

ETWIST51294 · Apr 8, 2011

s2j said:
i was thinking of making guides/videos

but all i know is.. nair

You got that right.

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