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@T-Block: Ignore my question to you about scum picks, you literally just answered it. Can explain your read on Ran a bit more?
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Time Travelers - Town wins! Time travel mechanics rarely used!
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There were several instances where I felt his posts (questions, attacks, or aggression) were not genuine, as if he were posting for the sake of posting and seeming active. I know there are are at least three points where I felt that. I've never played with Ran before, but I've heard stories, and I'm sure someone is going to come in and defend him with meta, but I can't ignore it anymore.
I'll bring stuff up when I'm caught up, which might be a while lol
I'll bring stuff up when I'm caught up, which might be a while lol
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@Reyth
If you're at work I can understand why you don't want to take the time to put together a long answer post ATM, just please try to get to them sometime soon.
If you're at work I can understand why you don't want to take the time to put together a long answer post ATM, just please try to get to them sometime soon.
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At the least could you explain your town read on Nabe in as much detail as possible?
July
Smash Apprentice
My other two suspects outside of DeGrey are PLSD and T-Block. T-Block is a hard read to get because I only played with him once and he was obvtown the entire time, and like he said a couple times our reads lined up a lot in that game (I was indy lover that game
). I also really felt like his argument with Nich could have been T v. T, but since then I just haven't felt like T-Block has been pushing as hard or really digging in and providing content. I don't necessarily have an issue with his reads, but his reasoning isn't there. I find all of his suspicions to be rather weak and his #438 still bothers me because I feel like there is content there but not GOOD content. Right now I'm null on SK but they are starting to garner my attention by how very little they have stood out. I noticed a couple points where Kat agreed to me and of course Soup threatening to replace out, and I haven't paid much attention to them because I generally agree with their reads. I want more content from them.
His claim reminds me a lot of Kuz's claim in Celebrity mafia:
This was a lot of information at the time and everything checked out. Except for the fact that Kuz fabricated the role, and was actually scum and used a mixture of vague information and information gained from scum prs to screw with us.
I am still extremely salty about this game
DeGrey's "mod confirmed knowledge" is extraordinary vague and his restriction is pretty much unprovable because he's not going to willingly stay off the main lynch toDay and take punishment to prove it. It's also very easy to fake, and there's scum motivation behind it too: he can wagon hop all he wants to find the "successful lynch" and not take responsibility for being on a wagon.
It's definitely not too bizarre to be a safe/fake claim.
July
Smash Apprentice
1) I've seen him give opinions on KK in his #800, and I feel like after he asked me a significant amount of questions about my reads and stances he provided a read on me as well. I think that he has been more subtle with providing his reads but he's been doing a lot of scumhunting by asking questions to get to those reads.
2) I would agree that Nabe hasn't taken any stances that are way outside town opinion, but this early in the game I think it's hard to say someone is playing too safe, I just can't tell if that true or if his reads are genuine and independent of majority influence. I don't think he's playing "ultra-safe" because he has gone out of his way to ask questions and has made connections with pretty much everyone on the player list.
I like Nabe because <3:
1) Sincere early scum hunting of SK
2) Sincere ongoing wagon query on Nich with further scum hunting of SK
3) Excellent query of Nich concerning SK and their hydra
4) Excellent catch on pointing out that both .jpg and Nich fencesat their votes
5) Nice catch on SK scum reaching on T-Block
6) Nice catch on Swiss 3 town references for Nich in one post
7) Nice catch on SK's analysis post missing reads for himself and Zen
Sincere scum hunting all game long.
1) Sincere early scum hunting of SK
2) Sincere ongoing wagon query on Nich with further scum hunting of SK
3) Excellent query of Nich concerning SK and their hydra
4) Excellent catch on pointing out that both .jpg and Nich fencesat their votes
5) Nice catch on SK scum reaching on T-Block
6) Nice catch on Swiss 3 town references for Nich in one post
7) Nice catch on SK's analysis post missing reads for himself and Zen
Sincere scum hunting all game long.
Please don't insinuate that I'm too dumb to see my own play. I am very conscious that it is there. I am also very conscious that you are insane if you think I'm scummy enough to be lynched over others in this game right now. The last line of this quote is exactly the reason you're scum.
I happen to know for a fact that I am scummy. I also know that I am not scummy enough to be lynched. What do you think of that PLSD?
Sorry, wrong goddamn account. I've been switching a lot today because I've had to post outside DGames.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Response to Nich (1042)
As for lynching scumreads, I missed a couple days, then I came back with hundreds of posts to read. I can't chase scumreads I didn't have in early game, and I can't chase reads when I'm not here. But my intent in questioning my reads when I was here prior to the activity boom is clear.
But it's moot anyway. Ask me about my reads if you're curious. When other people have, I've told them my reads and the reasoning behind them.
I post questions as town and as scum. It's not scummy and it's not a tactic I take intentionally as scum.
Anyway, burden of proof is on you.
@1043, Asdioh means that he and X1 share a mutual town read on me.
I really can't figure out how this is supposed to be scummy. What purpose does an offhand statement serve for you that my posts haven't?
There's no bluff to call. You're accusing me of not posting my reads in their entirety before I was asked for them and for a couple, before I had formed them. You're right in that accusation. It just isn't scummy. As I've said, my reads are out, it's over with.
As for lynching scumreads, I missed a couple days, then I came back with hundreds of posts to read. I can't chase scumreads I didn't have in early game, and I can't chase reads when I'm not here. But my intent in questioning my reads when I was here prior to the activity boom is clear.
You're a confusing person. How can you say that the motive I suggest is made plain by my posts, and then say you don't see me using the answers to my questions? Your first sentence here is either false, or it's you conceding the point in full.
But it's moot anyway. Ask me about my reads if you're curious. When other people have, I've told them my reads and the reasoning behind them.
Again, I don't see how this is scummy. Many players hold onto reads intentionally. I didn't even do that.
Yes. Which has nothing to do with what you're suggesting. You're suggesting that scumNabe needs to break free of his super-scummy random questions by making a case on a weak link. I'm suggesting that ScumNabe would continue to stick it out in the funk, ask questions, and otherwise lurk.
I post questions as town and as scum. It's not scummy and it's not a tactic I take intentionally as scum.
It's a scumslip. That's not a point, it's a reason in full to think someone is scum.
It's almost as if I were still forming reads or something.
Okay. Not my intent.
Which... isn't scummy. Ask and you shall receive. Everyone else was content after my catch-up to ask questions of me, and got quick, open responses. You went directly to accusing me of holding back my reads.
I was entirely cool with letting the game take its course. Town can't have every player trying to play leader in every game, and I had nothing important to argue. Now I do.
That's entirely my point. You looked at what should be circumstantial evidence and only saw scum motivation in it? Bull****.
Anyway, burden of proof is on you.
You seem to be thinking my reads should flop from a D1 read. Why can't a series of posts from a player strengthen a read that's already there, or sharpen it from a lean to a full read, or sharpen a null to a lean? Are there some reads you think I'm wrong on?
No, you simply haven't looked from that perspective, which is inherently obvious in your posting of the case and how you went directly on the offensive after I voted you. As you said, you thought my vote for you was scummy. After that, it's obvious you did a PBP with that assumption in hand.
These are both explained above.
It's not impossible at all, since everything with me is already out in the open.
I had a pretty easy time of it, myself.
Meta is only important until someone knows about it. You said yourself you've tried not to tunnel as town, because you know you do it. The opposite can be true of your scum game, you know your town meta and play to it. Because of your acknowledgement of your town meta, it's effectively useless. Reyth made that black and white.
I don't have safe play as a priority. You've shown that my play is safe though, which seems to be a fair evaluation.[/quote]
@1043, Asdioh means that he and X1 share a mutual town read on me.
Plz repost in the hydra
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Ran, please stop posting in black.
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Him talking about voting KK looks to me like he's already given up on talking to Raz, or at least thinks that he can convince Raz it's the right choice. That's why it works for me as an in-between. Null there. I do agree that he should've voted after "giving up" as it were.
He's about as tunnelly on Nich as one would expect from Nich himself. That he's not harping on the scumslip like I am suggests to me that he's town though, because as scum seeing me pushing it I think he'd grab onto that more thoroughly. I like his 438, his reasoning all seems fair and even, he doesn't take it as a chance to push a lynch but simply expresses all his reads.
T-block
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Here are the quotes by Ran that are setting off flags for me. I don't understand the motivation behind these posts, which makes me think he is not genuinely interested in the answers to these questions (and judging from the questions, how could he be?). When I read these posts, I read them as someone trying to seem townie:
Why does he make such a big deal about July asking DG the same question? I believe he was explicitly asked why it mattered, and he never replied.
He asks this to PLSD when he pops in here, even after PLSD states that he hasn't read the thread. Why is he asking PLSD a broad question that would require having read the whole thread, and why is he asking it about Zen, who has done nothing?
I confront him about this, and this is his response -_-
And then he gets on my case for jumping in and out of the thread. After I explain why, he still says it's scummy behaviour. This one isn't quite as bad, and the fact that I was annoyed at how pushy he was might have affected my thoughts here. This is not so much a case of not being genuine as it is a case of being overly aggressive.
T-block
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@Ryker, can you elaborate on your town Reyth read please?
July
Smash Apprentice
Well Tiger Woods was information we knew from the start, Katie Couric was Kuz's role that was completely fabricated. It made sense considering some of the other characters were Sarah Palin and such, but no matter what it provided enough information to work and not get him busted as a fake claim.
Hermoine is a main character in Harry Potter which is not only well known but it's been literally everywhere since seven part two hit theatres, its not a remote character.
Well you suggest that KK or myself should be lynched over you when I know I'm town and KK is a solid town read for me, so I sure as hell trust my reads over your scum picks. And the fact that you "know" that you are not scummy enough to be lynched over others in this game, that you think you can slide by with bs reads and bs scumhunting and still not deserve to be lynched for it, well that's just one of the many reasons you are scum.
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Reyth, how does this change your read on Jpg?
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@Tblock:
1. I have already explained why I didn't like her repeating a question I have asked. It seemed fake. She just states she doesn't care and acts stubborn.
2. I think you get the idea. :D
3. My 'aggressiveness' isn't good for basing alignment, so try again.
1. I have already explained why I didn't like her repeating a question I have asked. It seemed fake. She just states she doesn't care and acts stubborn.
2. I think you get the idea. :D
3. My 'aggressiveness' isn't good for basing alignment, so try again.
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Expand on this. How does this affect your read on me?
#HBC | Nabe
Beneath it all, he had H-cups all along
Hermione claim fits the flavour, obviously. Playwise, that's the type of role you'd claim early especially with the mod info. Quite probably real. His manner feels town enough, he admits to his faults by saying he'll deliver a scum list in his next post.
Reads and reasoning are in line with mine. Grey, do you not agree on the Nich scumslip?
1060 strengthens Reythtown read, good motivation although I don't agree on the reasoning.
Reads and reasoning are in line with mine. Grey, do you not agree on the Nich scumslip?
Oh.
1060 strengthens Reythtown read, good motivation although I don't agree on the reasoning.
In taking his overall read with those two small things, he still remains strongly town for me.
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That was not a proper response.