Kantrip
Kantplay
Yes I have reason to believe I was roleblocked but it's not because of Split Punch. It seems I just got blocked from only one thing, and that's all I'm saying for now.
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Final Fantasy Tactics Mafia: Game finally over! Raziek lynched, Town wins! Lego too!
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Kantrip
Kantplay
Well Rajam saying he didn't get the PM made me think I was roleblocked as well I guess, but I was redirected instead.
Hold on, I have to ask the mod something. I think it makes sense now.
Hold on, I have to ask the mod something. I think it makes sense now.
Rajam
Smash Champion
Claim: Town Mime12. Mime- (no second class)
Mimic - Choose two target players. The first player you will mimic, using the same abilities they use (any and all, excluding Killing abilities) on the second targeted player (if it is not a targeted ability, it will still be used globally or individually). You will not be notified what ability or abilities you are using.
I targeted Gova (1st player, mimic'd) and me (2nd player, targeted) last Night, since I realized I was possibly gonna be vigged, and also because Gova crumbed Chemist in #591:
As far as I know, these have been the claims: Kantrip claimed to have targetted me with that Doom thing. Inferno claims he hastened Gheb, and Gova that he targeted Gheb with something. Inferno and Gova didn't refute Raziek's watcher results, so I'm assuming they're true. Correct me if I'm missing something or if I'm wrong. Let's see the chemist a little:
If I was actually "killed" by Kantrip, I should be voteblocked/roleblocked now, but I am not13. Chemist
(passive) Lv. 1 Maintenance - You cannot be roleblocked or redirected by other players’ abilities.
(passive) Lv. 2 Auto-potion - Should you be NKilled on N1 or N2, the NKill will fail and you will be voteblocked/roleblocked the following Day phase. Daykills will still work.
Restriction - You must be on a successful lynch every day. Should you not be on a successful lynch at the end of the Day phase you will lose your Chemist abilities. This still occurs during a No Lynch but does not occur if a Day phase ends for any reason other than a lynch (mod kill, special phases, etc.)
Also, Gova didn't target Gheb with the execute thing, or else I should be included in that as well, I guess. Discarding Gova then, this is why I think Inferno is the one lying
Kantrip is only guessing he got roleblocked; never confirmed it. Something doesn't fit between him and Gova, or else I should be voteblocked/rblocked, or received some sort of message according to Kantrip, which I didn't. I have a theory of what may have happened here, but I want to hear Kantrip and Gova 1st
btw I didn't receive any result N1. I just targeted Gova and myself... and that was it
Inferno should be lynched anyways, Gova wasn't the one targetting Gheb with the execute thing
Kantrip
Kantplay
Doesn't mime only mimic active abilities?
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(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)
Smash Cadet
This is just ********.
Why do you assume Mime mimics PASSIVES when it says "using the same abilities they use"?
Why is everyone forgetting that Zeke also targeted Gheb?
Why is everybody thinking that the Execute requires a visit?
These claims are dumb as hell.
Why do you assume Mime mimics PASSIVES when it says "using the same abilities they use"?
Why is everyone forgetting that Zeke also targeted Gheb?
Why is everybody thinking that the Execute requires a visit?
These claims are dumb as hell.
(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)
Smash Cadet
"using the same abilities they use on the second targeted player"
USE. ON.
I don't think a PASSIVE is USING something.
I wish my face was this
But right now it's this
USE. ON.
I don't think a PASSIVE is USING something.
I wish my face was this
But right now it's this
Kantrip
Kantplay
Rajam you really shouldn't have claimed there. Nothing you said even makes sense.
You chose Gova for what reason? Because he had the Chemist restriction? For all you know that could be the level 1 PASSIVE ability OR the level 2 PASSIVE ability.
I think Rajam just slipped scummates with Gova. Either that or he did something INFINITELY STUPID.
I think... I think this may make sense.
Gova has a redirecting ability of some caliber that redirects off of target player and onto _______ (I'm not even going to try to guess at what ______ could be). Rajam mimicked Gova, targeting himself. This means that target player for the REDIRECT that he mimicked is himself, and the ability redirected onto Sang.
As a result, mimic Rajam redirects my Split Punch onto Seph.
You chose Gova for what reason? Because he had the Chemist restriction? For all you know that could be the level 1 PASSIVE ability OR the level 2 PASSIVE ability.
I think Rajam just slipped scummates with Gova. Either that or he did something INFINITELY STUPID.
I think... I think this may make sense.
Gova has a redirecting ability of some caliber that redirects off of target player and onto _______ (I'm not even going to try to guess at what ______ could be). Rajam mimicked Gova, targeting himself. This means that target player for the REDIRECT that he mimicked is himself, and the ability redirected onto Sang.
As a result, mimic Rajam redirects my Split Punch onto Seph.
Kantrip
Kantplay
This would mean Gova has a redirect ability that he used on Gheb, redirecting something OFF of Gheb and ON TO someone else.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Also I thought I said I HAVE REASONS FOR THINKING I WAS ROLEBLOCKED BESIDES ME ABILITY NOT GOING THROUGH ON RAJAM. THAT IS WHY I ASKED RAJAM IF IT WENT THROUGH ON HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE. SAYING ANYTHING MORE, HOWEVER, IS A BAD IDEA AT THIS TIME.
Stop rolefishing.
Stop rolefishing.
Grinding my teeth right now.
Be back later tonight.
Be back later tonight.
(if it is not a targeted ability, it will still be used globally or individually)
Why are you assuming Execute doesn't require a visit?
That's what I intended the above post to look like.Mime said:
Rajam
Smash Champion
even if my ability doesn't clone passives, it still should mimic the execute-ability. If Gova used that, then I should appear on the execute thing too. Basically that's what matters: Gova didn't target Gheb with the execute
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Smash Cadet
Not assuming that, simply implying that we are not sure that it does.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Gova targeted Gheb with a redirect ability. I am almost 100% on this.
(:xXx11!1!LegOLAAAzz!!11XxX:)
Smash Cadet
Fair point. Why do you exclude Raziek though?
Rajam
Smash Champion
Well, Inferno and Gova both confirmed what Raziek claimed. If Raziek has a watcher and a execute thing ability, then I don't really know what to think... yeah I'm excluding Raziek
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Smash Cadet
Kantrip, stop role speculating. We'll learn as we go.
Rajam
Smash Champion
Explain. If this is true, shouldn't Gheb have avoided the execute thing? If the redirect was "slowed" (which could be an explanation), then shouldn't it have gone last, thus not-redirecting anything at all?
I'm confused o_O
Kantrip
Kantplay
Sorry Legolas, I got excited because I thought I was onto something that explained what's going on and redirector is rarely a town role.
Rajam: That's a good point. The only way it would work is if the execute isn't the targeted ability.
So I guess we have two scenarios here:
One is that execute is a targeted ability which means Inferno did it and is scum, and the other is that execute is not a targeted ability and you mimicked Gova's redirect.
Rajam: That's a good point. The only way it would work is if the execute isn't the targeted ability.
So I guess we have two scenarios here:
One is that execute is a targeted ability which means Inferno did it and is scum, and the other is that execute is not a targeted ability and you mimicked Gova's redirect.
Kantrip
Kantplay
But yeah I'll stop speculating on request for now.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Actually, iirc, Raziek confirmed what Gova and Inferno said.
Rajam
Smash Champion
mmm will check later, but in #808 Raziek already claimed he had two results, before any other claim regarding himself, Inferno and Gova
Kantrip
Kantplay
Oh yeah you're right about that. Even though he didn't claim the people he had the number.
Alright so it's very likely one of Inferno or Gova are scum.
Alright so it's very likely one of Inferno or Gova are scum.
It really, REALLY isn't that simple and I really hate you for trying to boil it down to that.
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
Kanty, Inferno already some something to that respect (although he was the town and Gova was scum) and you see how well that turned out. What have we been saying about not focusing on roles and such to pick out scum? Go back and read what I said to Inferno when he started on that. Not everything is black and white and those people don't necessarily have to be scum.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Okay you're right. I go too crazy with speculation sometimes....
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
This is ridiculous.
@Rajam, if you could keep up with the thread you would have seen the fact that SangfroidWarrior claimed that the shot had affected her. You also would have seen Kantrip's explanation on how it works because it isn't an instant kill, meaning that you wouldn't have been killed today even if it had hit you. You also would have seen the catastrophe that happened a few pages ago which goes against your assumptions. Which means that you wouldn't have had to claim.
@Kantrip, words can not express how dumb you are. If you even thought about things for even a bit, you would realize it is impossible for me to be a re-director. Because I was confirmed visiting Gheb, that means he would have to be one of my redirect targets; Rajam being the other. So when Rajam mimic'd me, if I was a re-director, he would have either targeted himself with your kill or switched it to Gheb depending on whether or not I redirected Gheb to Rajam or vice verca.
I'll read Ryker v Kantrip later.
Kantrip
Kantplay
I don't think you understand what I was thinking earlier, Gova.
Imagine with me for a moment:
Redirect: Choose a player. Any action performed on that player will be redirected to _________. My thoughts were that the blank could be a random player, a player through some sort of criteria (next highest number of posts after your target, for example. Or next fewest. Or least posts in general. There are options here), or maybe something the mod decides on. Idk.
Now, imagine this is your ability and you have used it on Gheb as your target.
Now, Rajam mimics your ability and uses it on himself as a target.
Now we have something being redirected OFF of GHEB and ON TO ________.
Also, something is being redirected OFF of RAJAM and ON TO ________.
Do you understand now what I was getting at?
Imagine with me for a moment:
Redirect: Choose a player. Any action performed on that player will be redirected to _________. My thoughts were that the blank could be a random player, a player through some sort of criteria (next highest number of posts after your target, for example. Or next fewest. Or least posts in general. There are options here), or maybe something the mod decides on. Idk.
Now, imagine this is your ability and you have used it on Gheb as your target.
Now, Rajam mimics your ability and uses it on himself as a target.
Now we have something being redirected OFF of GHEB and ON TO ________.
Also, something is being redirected OFF of RAJAM and ON TO ________.
Do you understand now what I was getting at?
Kantrip
Kantplay
WHEN the **** did I say you have to target two people? ESPECIALLY Rajam? Did you miss the part where he mimicked what you used on Gheb and used it on himself?
Kantrip
Kantplay
I hate when people call me dumb when they don't even comprehend what I am saying.
V/LA Tomorrow.
V/LA Tomorrow.
SangfroidWarrior
Smash Journeyman
It's alright, Kanty. It's not that we should ignore it; we just shouldn't rely on it.
Kantrip
Kantplay
I think Gova thought I was saying he was a bus driver who switched Rajam and Gheb.
Not even close. In fact the reason my Split Punch got redirected to Sang would have been as a result of Rajam's targeting himself. The only reason Gova would even be involved in this scenario is because Rajam would be using his ability.
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Not even close. In fact the reason my Split Punch got redirected to Sang would have been as a result of Rajam's targeting himself. The only reason Gova would even be involved in this scenario is because Rajam would be using his ability.
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Gova
I'm goin' for it!
No, just in general a re-director requires you to target one person; the person who's abilities will be directed, to another person; the person who is going to be affected by those abilities.
If it had something dumb like "targets random player" it would be unreliable and not worth using.
If it had something dumb like "targets random player" it would be unreliable and not worth using.
Kantrip
Kantplay
In Overswarm games I'm pretty sure what I had in mind is a possibility.
Not RANDOM player perhaps, but based on something other than targeting. Something related to post count, probably.
Either way, the premise by which you called me "too dumb for words" is flawed because you misunderstood what I said, regardless of how you tell me I'm still dumb now.
Not RANDOM player perhaps, but based on something other than targeting. Something related to post count, probably.
Either way, the premise by which you called me "too dumb for words" is flawed because you misunderstood what I said, regardless of how you tell me I'm still dumb now.
Kantrip
Kantplay
Besides, it would certainly not be a very pro-town role. That's why I was calling you scummy if my speculation was true....
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
EBWOP: Which would mean that If I was a redirector, I either re-directed Gheb's abilities to someone else, or re-directed someone elses abilties to Gheb. So if Rajam targeted me and himself; he copies what I did, meaning that he would either redirect something to himself or to Gheb if I understand the mimic ability correctly.
You're still dumb.
You're still dumb.
Gova
I'm goin' for it!
Anyways, I would like Glyph to respond to Raziek's questions from a while ago.
Kantrip
Kantplay
You're still not getting it.
Oh well.
Oh well.
All of the speculation you've put forward has been horrendous and is full of flawed assumptions.
Gova, comment on the post I put up prior to Kantrip trying to put his head on the chopping block. Lego is the one who needs to go, so the focus shouldn't be on me vs. Kantrip.
Gova, comment on the post I put up prior to Kantrip trying to put his head on the chopping block. Lego is the one who needs to go, so the focus shouldn't be on me vs. Kantrip.