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~~ Into the Fray: A Snake Survival Guide ~~

bluebolt

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I used utilt 1st, nothing 2nd time it hit with more priority. whats this about?
 
Eternal Yoshi

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This is a little strange... When you press the grab button immediately after you input the dash attack, you will cause Snake to cancel his dash attack and have him grab and lunge farther than usual. When you do it correctly, you can increase the range of his grab a bit.
 
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Slithe

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this guide is really helpful, thanks for posting it.

oh, and btw, I think I found a new Snake combo. If someone else found it, please direct me to where it was first discovered, but if you pull out a grenade, shield, pick it up and then throw it up and immediately up-tilt an approaching opponent who has at least 90-100% damage on them, they will fly high enough into the grenade right as it explodes.
 
abit_rusty

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Slithe said:
this guide is really helpful, thanks for posting it.

oh, and btw, I think I found a new Snake combo. If someone else found it, please direct me to where it was first discovered, but if you pull out a grenade, shield, pick it up and then throw it up and immediately up-tilt an approaching opponent who has at least 90-100% damage on them, they will fly high enough into the grenade right as it explodes.
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No problem, glad to help.

Also, what you mentioned is quite situational and I don't know if it's exactly a "discovery" because it's simply another mixup of synergy between Snake's explosives and his attacks. I personally have not seen utilt into grenade, but I have done utilt into a mortar and seen land mine into full hopped nair or fair. (In fact I was on the receiving end of that one)

Also, I have a vid of me on youtube somewhere doing a nikita-> fair spike, edgeguard kill. lol.
 
AllyKnight

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Lol I always find posts from you Hot arms.

Yeah best combo imo is

Ftilt into Mine into ANY aerial (Uair is what I usually do because it works more often).

It's a 40-55% in one shot if you do it right. (Grab works also only if you don't DI)
 
Hot_ArmS

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lol ally geez stop stalking me X]

also i thought, as long as you space it right, bthrow will always go to mine at low percents

p.s. i have a funny thing to tell you
 
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BlackWolf020

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the mortar slide can also be done pretty easy on the wii classic controller by flipping the right analog down and up really quickly
 
GFE

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anyone friendlys snake dittos or whatever man i just wanna own
 
Shady Penguin

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I'm not sure if they have been covered in some way before, but I have some nice tricks I like to do with grenades.

When you're waiting for your opponent to recover to the stage, you can drop a grenade straight off the edge by shield dropping backwards at the edge. This is useful against opponents recovering from below that have up-bs with hitboxes for most of their duration (Marth, DK, Falco, etc.).

The other trick is something I like to call the "grenade fake-out". You drop one grenade and then throw a second one normally right after. You follow up by throwing you first grenade which will at least be a bit cooked by now. This is actual rather effective because your opponent will probably expect the grenade you threw first to explode first.

If you cooked the first grenade to blow up shortly after you throw it, you can actually cause a nice chain-reaction by hitting your second grenade (first thrown) with it.
 
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StoleUrCar

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Funny how 7 months ago Snake's metagame was this well covered compared to today.

So far the only "new" developments really are pivot grabbing useful to follow up dthrow with (and pivot grabbing applies for all characters anyway so it isn't really revolutionary), and perhaps throwing into a mine and following with uair/nair (which is simply just coordination between your attacks and your explosives, essentially just mixing up explosive combinations).

I'm sure there are other miscellaneous things involving grenade timing and such but hell the guide still works fine to get new Snake players straight into the metagame today.

**** rusty, mad props. :D
 
Snux

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Thanks alot for this guide it really helped me out when i went off playing snake, It just gives you the solid base of knowledge you need to play Snake : )
 
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Eduardomsc

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i made some tests to find out which projectiles destroy the nikita missile,maybe you could add it to your guide.

What destroys the nikita missile:

-Samus' fully charged charge shot (neutralB)
-Snake's nikita missile(sideB)
-Snake's C4(not really a projectile,but i put it here anyway)
-Snake's landmine,if the missile is close enough to the ground(see C4)
-Bob-omb(only here because Peach sometimes picks up one of these with her downB)
-Dedede's Gordos(sideB)
-Dedede's Waddle Dees/Doos when they already are on the ground(sideB)
-Lucario's fully charged aura sphere when he is at 100% dmg or more
-Ness' fully charged PK Flash(neutralB)
-R.O.B's laser(neutralB) (even though it doesn't destroy the missile,it goes right through it and hits you anyway)
-Olimar's yellow,white,blue and red Pikmins(sideB) (the red one is the only one who is not killed by the blast,and the purple pikmin only deflects the missile,doesn't destroy it)
 
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Thanks a ton for all this info! I am now learning the Non-contact Mortar Slide. A Big thanks to all here at SWF for compiling this great info. :) I can now perform the Non-contact Mortar slide!
 
hdrevolution123

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That was a very useful guide. Thanks for writing this. I am developing with Snake and I could argue that he may be the most strategic character in brawl? Anyone agree with me. Could there be anyone more strategic than Snake in terms of how he can scrape down the options the opponent has of escaping from Snake's attacks? I believe so
 
hdrevolution123

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Sorceress Zelda said:
Thanks a ton for all this info! I am now learning the Non-contact Mortar Slide. A Big thanks to all here at SWF for compiling this great info. :) I can now perform the Non-contact Mortar slide!
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Lucky you. I'm still practising yet I still cannot perform the non-contact mortar slide. I tried using the dust given off by Snake as a guide and only once have I performed it correctly. The contact one is simple and easy
 
hdrevolution123

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Eduardomsc said:
i made some tests to find out which projectiles destroy the nikita missile,maybe you could add it to your guide.

What destroys the nikita missile:

-Samus' fully charged charge shot (neutralB)
-Snake's nikita missile(sideB)
-Snake's C4(not really a projectile,but i put it here anyway)
-Snake's landmine,if the missile is close enough to the ground(see C4)
-Bob-omb(only here because Peach sometimes picks up one of these with her downB)
-Dedede's Gordos(sideB)
-Dedede's Waddle Dees/Doos when they already are on the ground(sideB)
-Lucario's fully charged aura sphere when he is at 100% dmg or more
-Ness' fully charged PK Flash(neutralB)
-R.O.B's laser(neutralB) (even though it doesn't destroy the missile,it goes right through it and hits you anyway)
-Olimar's yellow,white,blue and red Pikmins(sideB) (the red one is the only one who is not killed by the blast,and the purple pikmin only deflects the missile,doesn't destroy it)
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Thanks for the extra info. Now I know how to guard safely against those projectiles. Though not the fastest option it is still a good option to protect oneself during brawls because normally the best option is to approach whilst walking with Snake
 
abit_rusty

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hdrevolution123 said:
Lucky you. I'm still practising yet I still cannot perform the non-contact mortar slide. I tried using the dust given off by Snake as a guide and only once have I performed it correctly. The contact one is simple and easy
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Just go to training mode, set the speed a bit slower, and practice there. Use the c-stick down -> z+up on analog method. I believe that is easiest. Practice is the key.
 
Hot_ArmS

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lol quadruple post

also, i took the pics as moreso to show how big the hitbox really is for the tilts, meaning you should take advantage of that...........and also to show how broken snakes tilts are, but not really
 
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