Bowser, Grab release thread [Flayl is a boss]

Flayl · Jun 18, 2009

You have to dash a bit before jumping and performing the aerial.

Dementophobic · Jun 18, 2009

Who are you doing it on?

It was a general question, but I had in mind Meta, GnW, and ROB.

You have to dash a bit before jumping and performing the aerial.

Alright, I'll do that, thanks.

Flayl · Jul 23, 2009

Here's an easy to refer to post when discussing the efficiency of chaingrabbing in matchups:

Cannot be chaingrabbed:
Ice Climbers

Can only be Air Released chaingrabbed:
Donkey Kong

Can be chaingrabbed both ways:
Bowser
Captain Falcon
Charizard
Diddy Kong
Falco
Ganondorf
Ike
King Dedede
Link
Lucas
Meta Knight
Pikachu
Sheik
Snake
Squirtle
Wario

Ground Release Chaingrab:

Standing chain grab:
Charizard
Ivysaur
Wario

Small step chaingrab:
Bowser
Falco
Fox
Ganondorf
Link
Lucario
Lucas
Mario
Meta Knight
Ness
Olimar
Popo/Nana
R.O.B.
Sheik
Toon Link
Wolf

Note: Some of the people that can be small step chaingrabbed can, if you're lucky, be standing chain grabbed. It's not reliable though.

"Easy" Dash chaingrab:
Diddy Kong
Jigglypuff
King Dedede
Kirby
Luigi
Marth
Mr. G&W
Peach
Pikachu
Samus
Snake
Sonic
Squirtle
ZSSamus
Zelda

Note: The characters that you can hit with DownB can be walking chaingrabbed if they are slow to react. Easy is in quotations because it's still harder to chaingrab characters that would normally air release.

Hard Dash chaingrab:
Captain Falcon
Ike
Pit
Yoshi

Note: Consider DThrow or releasing into FTilt if you haven't mastered these. Yoshi can't be hit by FTilt.

Don't get grabbed:
Bowser
Falco
Ganondorf
Link
Lucas
Meta Knight
Pokémon Trainer
Sheik
Wario

Note: Anybody in this list should be considered an advantage by default unless they have proven to be capable of avoiding being grabbed (see Meta Knight)

B!squick · Jul 24, 2009

Thanks Flayl. Grab release regrabs are really the most important thing. If that doesn't work then naturally move on to Jab and Jab Cancels.

Flayl · Jul 24, 2009

Just found out the hard way you can't air release chain grab Sonic.

B!squick · Jul 24, 2009

I didn't think so, lol.

HammerBro123 · Jul 25, 2009

i want the grab release to ****

HammerBro123 · Jul 25, 2009

hahahahahahah

B!squick · Jul 25, 2009

You can. It's called Grab Release -> Jab Cancelled Bowser Bomb.

Luxuti · Jul 31, 2009

Is it true that if a character inputs up while being grab released from a pummel, it will output an air release?

Flayl · Jul 31, 2009

Luxuti said:
Is it true that if a character inputs up while being grab released from a pummel, it will output an air release?

No, during a pummel a character will ALWAYS ground release. In the intervals in between a pummel, he will air release if he is holding up.

I think he will also air release while not being pummeled if he is mashing jump.

Luxuti · Jul 31, 2009

Flayl said:
No, during a pummel a character will ALWAYS ground release. In the intervals in between a pummel, he will air release if he is holding up.

I think he will also air release while not being pummeled if he is mashing jump.

Thanks. :D

Flayl · Sep 8, 2009

Here's a better demonstration of the ground release pivot chain grab thanks to KingKong:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeOvN3LtlKI

It's processing as I type this.

KingKong_ad · Sep 8, 2009

Ill continue to work and perfect it, I think there is more charachter that can be pivot CG but they are harder. Ill test with every character.

Hobobloke · Sep 9, 2009

Video is sexy, really need to practice pivot grabbing.

choknater · Sep 10, 2009

wow O_o true pivot cg

thatl ooks hard

PokemonMasterIRL · Sep 10, 2009

An infinite on MK?

^___^

Flayl · Sep 10, 2009

The artist formerly known as Spadefox put this CG in the tactical discussion (which ended up in a heated discussion and got locked) and people still don't know this? Bowser's pummel is too slow to force MK to ground release all the time.

B!squick · Sep 10, 2009

An infinite under the right conditions is still an infinite.

Vex Kasrani · Sep 10, 2009

JayDeth said:
An infinite under the right conditions is still an infinite.

No

An infinite is only an infinite if it actually works forever.

KingKong_ad · Sep 10, 2009

I dont think its an infinite too, I consider it a way to deal more damage on my opponent and to refresh more my moves. My opponent can actually only do air release at any moment of the CG.

Hobobloke · Sep 11, 2009

It's not an infinite but it could definitely last a **** long time if done well.

B!squick · Sep 11, 2009

Well... it COULD work forever. If you really believe in yourself.

swordgard · Sep 12, 2009

The best part about this new chaingrab is getting the opponent to the edge with a higher % so you can side b off the ledge with him and keep the cycle going.

lanky_gunner · Sep 24, 2009

Question about the vid. I noticed he did the pivot every other grab release. Is that how it's supposed to go, or can you pivot grab each time?

Either way, I'll test it out when I get home.

Flayl · Oct 16, 2009

Ground Release Offstage Footstool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhHaGDtumnA

Corrupted~X · Oct 21, 2009

rofl @ Wario.

Hyesz · Oct 21, 2009

^ Corr <3

Anyway this thread is useful info. I love Bowser. I gotta learn all of these, I knew a few but not many.

Ace1208 · Dec 2, 2009

Flayl said:
Ground Release Offstage Footstool:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhHaGDtumnA

Works great but obviously not guarenteed :/ they could easily just jump and air dodge or attack...

saviorslegacy · Dec 8, 2009

JEEZ!
Bowser is like a God at GR CG's!

MrEh · Dec 8, 2009

saviorslegacy said:
JEEZ!
Bowser is like a God at GR CG's!

Umm....yeah?

saviorslegacy · Dec 8, 2009

MrEh said:
Umm....yeah?

What do you mean?
What I meant was that I knew he had 10 less frames than everyone else when grab releasing, I just didn't know he had soooooo many options!

B!squick · Dec 9, 2009

Alot of things can happen in a sixth of a second.

teluoborg · Mar 16, 2010

Hey, hey,

remember that guy with the Bowser grab release Chart ?

Well he's back
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8118/boozergr2.jpg

Sorry for the necrobump but I guess that's where it belongs.
Also please tell me if any correction is needed.

B!squick · Mar 17, 2010

Right off the bat, Ice Climbers should probably be Ice Climber (no "s"). But that should probably be obvious anyway, lol.

MrEh · Mar 17, 2010

It has been confirmed that you can GR Uair Jiggs. Just a heads up.

(it *****)

Liquid Gen · Mar 20, 2010

thats uh

been confirmed for a while

MrEh · Mar 20, 2010

Did I ever say it was a recent discovery?

I mentioned it because it was absent from the chart.

Liquid Gen · Mar 20, 2010

considering the fact you posted it, it was implied as such

of course i could have taken it the wrong way in which case i apologize

Cassius. · Mar 20, 2010

you know it's not missing from the chart right

the "+" section marks jigglypuff and wario, and at the bottom of the chart the UAir thing is noted

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