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Mario & Sonic Guy · Feb 14, 2010

Thanks for the offset placements for the Fire Luigi outfit Steelia. The texture that I was doing isn't designed for team battles, and that was the only outfit that Luigi has that isn't a team battle color.

Steelia · Feb 14, 2010

Eternal Yoshi said:
Aparrently not all costumes use the same offsets, but for some reason Popo's Green costume uses the same offsets as his normal ones.
The texture I'm making has to be over the green one for the sake of team colors so may I ask what are the offsets for Nana's Yellow (PlNnYe.dat) costume?

Mm, I'm afraid I don't have the offsets for that Popo nor Nana... however... because the two have no _8 or _9 in their other texture packs, it's highly likely that their Green and ... what, Tan? ... files also have nearly the exact same texture placements, sizes, etc.
It's much like all of Ganondorf's files, or Captain Falcon's, where neither have _8/_9 files and... every other DAT file follows that.
Try editing the "Normal" colors of Nana/Popo, but hexing them into Green/"Tan?" for some results. I have a hunch it MIGHT work. (Be sure the textures aren't slightly off in their placements, though; sometimes differently colored files have the same files and file types -- but their placements can be 0x20 lines off from all others).

Afro_Chris said:
its the ShadowDragon_Marth.rar one, could u please replace it with the PIMsBl.dat

...!
On closer inspection... apparently you can completely copy-paste the majority of Marth's info from his Nr file to his Bk file -- both of them share the exact same placements, and their _8 and _9 files have the same sized palette lines... Try giving it a shot. If it doesn't work out, I'll look into it further.

Milun said:
I guess it was a little misleading. It's actually a part of Mario's trophy. Player models are hacked similarly, but, like the program that exports trophies, it'll take a bit of work.

Ah, yes, I should actually click the picture next time for the name. :laugh:

Still, very neat stuff. Hopefully all turns out in this department.

Mario & Sonic Guy · Feb 14, 2010

I was able to test out my new texture for the Fire Luigi slot. However, when I modified the eyes, they looked messed up with an RGB5A3 palette. When I tried using an RGB565 palette, however, the eyes were all fixed up.

Steelia · Feb 14, 2010

Mario_and_Sonic_Guy said:
I was able to test out my new texture for the Fire Luigi slot. However, when I modified the eyes, they looked messed up with an RGB5A3 palette. When I tried using an RGB565 palette, however, the eyes were all fixed up.

Correct.
RGB5A3 is used when the texture has transparency.
RGB565, on the contrary, is used when a texture does not have transparency.
Best way to know this, is by checking the Alpha Layer of the texture. If it has black-and-white (or, completely black in some cases) on it, transparency. But if it's completely white, no transparency. Works 99.98% of the time.

The ONLY texture to break this rule, from what I've seen, is Marth's ear texture. For some reason, that HAS to be RGB5A3 to work, despite having no transparency applied to the Alpha Layer. Hm.

Mario & Sonic Guy · Feb 14, 2010

Steelia said:
Correct.
RGB5A3 is used when the texture has transparency.
RGB565, on the contrary, is used when a texture does not have transparency.
Best way to know this, is by checking the Alpha Layer of the texture. If it has black-and-white (or, completely black in some cases) on it, transparency. But if it's completely white, no transparency. Works 99.98% of the time.

The ONLY texture to break this rule, from what I've seen, is Marth's ear texture. For some reason, that HAS to be RGB5A3 to work, despite having no transparency applied to the Alpha Layer. Hm.

Oddly enough, in Brawl, there are a decent number of indexed textures with RGB5A3 palettes that don't have transparency. For some examples, Roader, Towtow, Greap, Gamyga, and Autolance have indexed textures that don't utilize transparency, and yet their palettes are in RGB5A3 format. Of course, some of the enemies do have indexed textures with RGB565 palettes.

ResidentWaffle · Feb 16, 2010

So I finally got my hands on a wii to play these hacks on and these textures are amazing!

But I was wondering. I love the brawl texture updates you made for characters but you guys only made them in one color. Have you guys every considered making multiple colors of those textures for all characters and releasing them as sort of a melee 2.0 texture pack for the game?

That would truly be AMAZING.

Steelia · Feb 17, 2010

Glad you're enjoying our hacks, ResidentWaffle.

In regards to a Melee graphical update package for the characters... eheh... Well, I'll just say that I WAS considering it, up until I learned that a majority of my Brawl-graphic-updated characters were severely shunned in the Melee scene. They received such a negative backlash from others (not that I blame them) that I've lost any motivation to make any recolors/Brawl-graphic packages. (Except for Mewtwo, Young Link, Roy, Pichu, and Dr. Mario... naturally, I made something for them, but I lost their pictures for an update... Need to get those again.)

Hope you can understand. That's just from me, though. I'm sure there might be someone just as interested, who has the capability of texture hacking, but just hasn't gotten around to it.

S l o X · Feb 19, 2010

Once I get this Melee ISO from Mura or someone then I'll be able to burn a texture hacked melee :D rapee

Thanks for the textures guys <33333 appreciate it.

Gardevior · Feb 19, 2010

You can dump your own melee disc with Waninkoko's DVD Dumper 1.2 if you don't want to wait. Takes about an hour to dump to an SD or USB or your computer through wifi.

S l o X · Feb 19, 2010

Will check that out, actually. (Goes to google Waninkoko's DVD Dumper)

Yeah...no. Too complicated for my simple mind to comprehend. Especially DVD Dumper being a ***** and this IOS ;_;

Afro_Chris · Feb 20, 2010

hey guys me and i.b made a small combo video while using the texture hacks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frl6IfNbPVg

ShootingStars · Feb 20, 2010

can ANYONE send me a link for the dreamland SoRage stage? the one zyx posted has died ;_;

Tichinde925 · Feb 20, 2010

ShootingStars said:
can ANYONE send me a link for the dreamland SoRage stage? the one zyx posted has died ;_;

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AQLGQR3D

dexia · Feb 20, 2010

Afro_Chris said:
hey guys me and i.b made a small combo video while using the texture hacks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frl6IfNbPVg

hey where did you get this textures:

0:29 or 0:43 = falco texture

2:02 = capitan falcon

4:39 = fox

please can you say me where download it? =)

ShootingStars · Feb 20, 2010

Tichinde925 said:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=AQLGQR3D

thank you so much!

Steelia · Feb 20, 2010

dexia said:
hey where did you get this textures:

0:29 or 0:43 = falco texture

2:02 = capitan falcon

4:39 = fox

please can you say me where download it? =)

Ah... Brawl Falco, Solid Snake, and Brawl Fox; some of my stuff. Haven't gotten around to making an update for those suckers yet. Guess I know what I'm putting up next. XD

On a side note... FINALLY, I've got "Part 1" of a mini-series of video tutorials, for texture hacking Smash Bros. Melee... This one covers the very basic Non-Indexed textures (stuff that doesn't end with _8 or _9).

Check it.
(:

S l o X · Feb 20, 2010

d e l e t e

Eternal Yoshi · Feb 20, 2010

What System Menu do you have?

S l o X · Feb 20, 2010

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ShootingStars · Feb 21, 2010

Steelia said:
Ah... Brawl Falco, Solid Snake, and Brawl Fox; some of my stuff. Haven't gotten around to making an update for those suckers yet. Guess I know what I'm putting up next. XD

On a side note... FINALLY, I've got "Part 1" of a mini-series of video tutorials, for texture hacking Smash Bros. Melee... This one covers the very basic Non-Indexed textures (stuff that doesn't end with _8 or _9).

Check it.
(:

please upload the brawl textures... and solid snake
i love your brawl textures!

libertyernie · Feb 22, 2010

KirbyTool 2.1 is out now.

The download is at the website as usual. This version adds support for the Donkey Kong and Falco hats. After M&SG did it (by hand) I became convinced that it was possible

Those textures are on the website too. Each of them can replace any color. So it's 4 Kirby colors * 6 colors they could replace * (1 Kirby + 4 Kirby hats) = 120 dat files in a 535KB 7-zip file! Amazing compression, huh?

Mario & Sonic Guy · Feb 23, 2010

I'm planning on working on some more Yoshi textures, but the problem is, I can't figure out the offset placements for his Yellow, Pink, and Light Blue colors (the only Yoshi colors that aren't uploaded).

If anyone manages to figure out the offset placements for those colors, please reply, if possible.

Steelia · Feb 23, 2010

@libertyernie: Sweet stuff. Glad you looked into Falco and DK, too. (:
Just a quick question, Were you able to fix KirbyNr's Mewtwo cap hex? Whenever I tried it out a while back, the hexing was a few lines off.

@Mario_and_Sonic_Guy:

Code:

Light Blue Yoshi

10Skin - 00023fe0
11Belly - 00025fe0 (8 lines) -192 (64MAX)
~
02Egg - 0002a080
03Eye - 0003c080
01Shoe - 0002e080
04ShoeB - 00030080
05ShoeSide - 00032080
06Saddle - 00032560
07SaddleW - 00032d60
08Spike - 00033de0
12Arm - 00035de0 (14) -144 [112MAX] ~I accidentally call the Arm as "12Leg"
~
13Green - 00037ae0 (4) -224 [32MAX]
~
14Jaw - 00038d40 (22) -80 (176MAX)
~
15Nose - 0003c700
09Mouth - 0003cc00
16Cheek - 0003dc00 (2) -240 (16MAX) ~Is actually tip of the tail (connects to 11Belly)
~
17Leg - 0003ec40 (14) -144 [112MAX] ~Accidentally called "17Arm"
~
18OOS-Body - 00040d40
19OOS-Shoe - 00041b00

20EyeL - 00042580
21EyeR - 00044580


*********************


Pink Yoshi


10Skin - 00023fe0
11Belly - 00025fe0 (8 lines) -192 (64MAX)
~
02Egg - 0002a080
03Eye - 0003c080
01Shoe - 0002e080
04ShoeB - 00030080
05ShoeSide - 00032080
06Saddle - 00032560
07SaddleW - 00032d60
08Spike - 00033de0
12Arm - 00035de0 (16) -128 [128MAX] ~Accidentally noted as "12Leg"
~
13Green - 00037b00 (2) -240 (16MAX)
~
14Jaw - 00038d40 (22) -80 (176MAX)
~
15Nose - 0003c700
09Mouth - 0003cc00
16Cheek - 0003dc00 (2) -240 (16MAX) ~Is actually tip of the tail (connects to 11Belly)
~
17Leg - 0003ec40 (16) -128 [128MAX] ~Accidentally called "17Arm"
~
18OOS-Body - 00040d60
19OOS-Shoe - 00041b20

20EyeL - 000425a0
21EyeR - 000445a0


***************************


Yellow Yoshi


01Shoe - 00023fe0
02Egg - 00025fe0
03Eye - 00027fe0
04ShoeB - 00029fe0
05ShoeSide - 0002bfe0
06Saddle - 0002c4c0
07SaddleW - 0002ccc0
08Spike - 0002dd40
10Skin - 0002fd40
12Arm - 00031d40 (14 lines) -144 [112MAX] ~Accidentally called "12Leg"
~
13Green - 00033a40 (2) -240 [16MAX]
~
14Jaw - 00034c80 (22) -80 [176MAX]
~
15Nose - 00038640
09Mouth - 00038b40
16Cheek - 00039b40 (2) -240 [16MAX] ~Is actually tip of the tail (connects to 11Belly)
~
17Leg - 0003ab80 (16) -128 [128MAX] ~Accidentally referred to as "17Arm"
~
11Belly - 0003cca0 (8) -192 [64MAX]
~
18OOS-Body - 00040d40
19OOS-Shoe - 00041b00

20EyeL - 00042580
21EyeR - 00044580

Hope that helps out. Now that you have the placements, you can quite literally use one of the available Yoshi packages (preferably YsNr), and just match up the textures that way. Sure, it may not be the designated color, but not like you're going to change the files anyway, right?

Mario & Sonic Guy · Feb 23, 2010

Thanks again Steelia. Of course, I tried to figure out Yellow Yoshi's offset placements by myself, but had no success whatsoever.

By the way, in the future, you may want to consider uploading the texture parts for Peach's Daisy outfit. That outfit's texture parts obviously operate differently from Peach's other four outfits, and it's possible that someone may want to do a Peach texture on the Daisy outfit.

libertyernie · Feb 23, 2010

What are the OOS textures for? I've always wondered that.

Steelia · Feb 23, 2010

@Mario_and_Sonic_Guy: The Daisy one's a W.I.P. I think I did a little tinkering costume for it, but I forgot to save the original textures for it. Need to redo the package for it.

@libertyernie: "OOS" textures, as I call them, are the "Out Of Screen" textures. You know how when a character is shoved near the blast line of a stage, and they appear in that magnified image? That. OOS textures are used for those smaller out-of-screen models.

Yo$himan · Feb 24, 2010

For a g&w texture, is is possible to give him a gif as at texture(such as changing colors all the time)?

ETWIST51294 · Feb 24, 2010

I don't think G&W has a texture, I think he's just one color.

Yo$himan · Feb 24, 2010

ETWIST51294 said:
I don't think G&W has a texture, I think he's just one color.

what, he is just given a hexadecimal color code?

`DNS` · Feb 24, 2010

Yoshimanssbm said:
what, he is just given a hexadecimal color code?

Yeah, I think so.

Also no I don't think it's possible to make a texture a .GIF, because you need a .TGA to convert to a .tpl to insert it..

_Rocky_ · Feb 24, 2010

thought id post my first work (yeah it sucks)

2 questions
how do you avoid ground textures going black and it's not possible to edit character models yet, right?

dexia · Feb 24, 2010

`DNS` said:
look good?

what about this marth texture??? the creator of this cool texture uploaded it or not yet???

Mario & Sonic Guy · Feb 24, 2010

_Rocky_ said:
how do you avoid ground textures going black and it's not possible to edit character models yet, right?

If you're using an Emulator, the reason for the stage appearing black is likely due to your computer not having full Emulator support.

Regarding your question on character models, I wouldn't really know, since I specialize with texture hacks.

Steelia · Feb 24, 2010

_Rocky_ said:
thought id post my first work (yeah it sucks)
x2
2 questions
how do you avoid ground textures going black and it's not possible to edit character models yet, right?[/QUOTE]

W'ey, sweet texture! :D

1.) As Mario_and_Sonic_Guy already pointed out, has something to do with your computer not fully emulating the... emulator. Likely need to update some of your graphics cards, or along those lines.

2.) Models are [i]not[/i] accessible... yet. It's being worked on, to be sure, but for now textures and audio hacks will have to suffice. :)

`DNS` · Feb 24, 2010

dexia said:
what about this marth texture??? the creator of this cool texture uploaded it or not yet???

oo forgot about that

i think this is it:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=91AVS9HK

it's still not entirely done (didn't edit the oos stuff yet/etc)

edit: yeah that's it.. it isn't done and idk if i'm going to finish it tbh

dexia · Feb 24, 2010

cool thanx =)

ShootingStars · Feb 24, 2010

Hey um can anyone help me on making my own HPS files?

Here is what I do...
Put WAV file into goldwave... use selection and use the loop points for etc... like battlefield and then save selection for the left channel and right channel. I then try to batch them together using HPS_insert in CMD, but at the end it always says cannot play HPS file... and no HPS file is made...

Can you write a tutorial or make video please? I really need help.

`DNS` · Feb 24, 2010

^^^^there is a tutorial in the first post, just read down a bit

ShootingStars · Feb 24, 2010

`DNS` said:
^^^^there is a tutorial in the first post, just read down a bit

I did read it... several times. I dont know what I am doing wrong

`DNS` · Feb 24, 2010

Do you have the SDK?
you need "dspadpcm.exe" from it to get it to work

hps_insert isn't really needed

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