thesage
Smash Hero
The only reason Snake is harder than MK is cuz of those **** grenades. Otherwise Snake wouldn't be as hard >_>;
Marth is harder than mk imo.
Marth is harder than mk imo.
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Tell us what Olimar can do to Ness.so far the little discussion i've seen on oli has been "60-40 ness. he has nair he wins"
i've seen no actual discussion, not even anecdotal evidence to back any of these claims
(cept for maybe one post but even then it was nothing too different)
so i'm wondering, have ANY of you had experience with this match up vs a top olimar player??
if you have not then don't go around saying biased match up numbers
thank you
I'll tell you what I did to an Olimar that tried grabbing me. Of course he was just standing there spamming his Pikmin and trying to grab me while staying under a platform. I used my PK Fire on him. One, it made a fire pillar for me to be safe behind and two, his grab doesn't go as far as PK Fire. It comes out quick, I'll give you that much.He can grab and use up-b out of shield. Kinda makes it hard for Ness to approach, but if you just avoid the directions there in your safe.
I kinda use Olimar so I have a feeling for this matchup. No I haven't ever played a good Olimr (they dont exits here) but I mean what else can he do.
The pikmin eating thunder thing is really unlikely and Ness will probably use psi magnet + dj to recover against Olimar.
PK Fire outranges Olimar's f-smash and grab. His f-smash can create a fire pillar if you don't call your Pikmin back quick enough. None of the Pikmin, even the red ones will go through the fire pillar after Ness has created one using his PK Fire on a Pikmin. This is all done with an f-smash. Fortunately for Olimar, his Pikmin fly over PK Fire when Ness fires it. However, once that pillar fire is up, you're better off trying something else.in general though, olimar outranges ness on the ground (no surprise, right?) and fsmash is a great spacer. grab range is huge with killer throws as well which will more than likely kill ness around the early 100's. edgegaurding will be tough for both of them, as you give too little credit to olimar's recovery.
Ness' attacks do a little bit of both. No one said you can't camp. By all means do that.do a lot of your moves send in an upward trajectory, or horizontal? if not horizontal we have a high chance of recovering.
we can spam pikmin as much as we want. no matter what you say you will take damage from the little fukers. and how can we not camp you? the only ones we can't outcamp are wolf and arguably falco. we even outcamp snake.
Nair seems to outprioritize Olimar's u-smash, d-smash and f-smash. The only one that seems to really work with d-smash and f-smash against Ness' nair are the yellow Pikmin. Than again, in order for Ness to not get injured by Olimar's d-smash is for him to not do it so early or too late. The same applies for his nair vs Olimar's f-smash. But for some reason, the yellow Pikmin seem to still injure Ness anyway. Ness' neutral A seems to cancel out d-smash and f-smash. Of course doing this can trade hits, so either the Pikmin die or Ness gets hurt.we have tons of range and you don't have the best. with proper spacing we should never get hit by one of your ground moves. theoretically anyway.
your aerials are scary but we should be able to overcome them. yellows will go through your main approach (i think it is) of fair. i don't think your SH goes over our fsmash, that needs to be tested, so we could fsmash and keep you away.
also, pivot grab pivot grab pivot grab
ViceGrip said:f you are a decent Ness player the only reason you should lose to Olimar is due to lack of experience versus Olimars. Olimar takes more experience that most characters to get used to fighting just because he's a tiny little guy whose moves look extremely similiar to each other. Believe me if you play him enough you'll know what tactics most Oli players tend to use.
Along w/ what Simna said people seem to think that Oli can counter Ness just 'cause a latched on Pikmin eats his thunder. Big Deal. I haven't died once to that. You can easily avoid the pikmin toss off stage w/ di and if one happens to latch on you, oh nooo's you have to do a split second nair before you use your pk thunder for recovery. Ness counters Olimar in so many ways. His pk fire wreaks Olimar because along w/ his pikmin setting off pk fire, when he himself is stuck in the pillar he has more trouble than most characters escaping it (even w/ great smash di and such). Ness's fair is the bane of most charcters and Olimar is no exception. The only thing Olimar has to stop Ness's fair is basically shield grabbing. The fair beats out all of Oli's ariels and even his ground game and if you space well and use it right you shouldn't be sheild grabbed even. Along w/ the fair, short hopped auto-canceled dairs and dash attacks are effective as well (dash attack because it goes through the pikmin). If you are fighting an Olimar that is determined to camp you this is not a problem because Ness's nair removes pikmin before they can even deal damage and if you time it right you can easily reflect his pikmin back to him. Nothing is funnier than watching an Olimar get eaten by his own white pikmin.
And of course if you don't manage to gimp Olimar w/ a ledge hog you only have to get him to 110% before he dies to a back throw. Also be sure to watch out for his usmash, it's Olimar's primary killing move (his dsmash and fsmash work too, but not nearly as well, plus those tend to be degenerated by the time the olimar gets you within killing range anyhow)
In conclusion, the only thing Oli has on Ness is his incredible grab. The reason i say all of this is because i have extensive experience versus Mr. X's Olimar and in the last 2 big tournies i went to (UCLA and Nexus, which was run by Mr. X) i fought 2 Olimar mains and both lost by at least a full stock each time. So instead of tightening up when you see an Olimar, you should have a sigh of relief.
Ike can be really tough. I've come across good Ike's and bad Ike's. I lost to both, sadly because I didn't keep in mind that Ike has amazing power. However, most of my matches against Ike, I've been able to win most of the time mainly because the first time Brawl came out, that's all I've every really come across and so I believe that might be a reason I have it easy against most Ike mains. They may not have projectile or speed, but they have strength and range.Man, I still don't get how Ike is in slight advatage. He pounds ness. My worst match-up. Just my opinion
Some things will always remain a mystery.Man, I still don't get how Ike is in slight advatage. He pounds ness. My worst match-up. Just my opinion
Haha! Wow, your Ike was pretty brutal on my Ness. )': Seriously, play better Ike's. Ref was giving me a tough time.Play better Ikes... From that statement I can tell you haven't faced any good ones.
Now back to Olimar.