-
Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
Bdacus
- Thread starter saviorslegacy
- Start date
bigman40
Smash Master
He wouldn't have a normal DACUS if he couldn't do what was shown in the vid. Diddy's requirements for a normal DACUS is just too fast for human speed.
xDD-Master
Smash Champion
No, its just to fast for Brawl mechanism.
This sums it up pretty nice:
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=9492943&postcount=47
J4pu
Smash Champion
so, all this is is a normal DACUS?
just using lag frames + buffering to allow diddy to do it.
if any other character that could DACUS did this they would get the same result as a normal DACUS?
if so, this belongs in the Diddy boards.
and lol at someone thinking this will somehow improve Snake by item throw > DACUS, he can already slide 3/4 of FD, even if this goes a little farther it won't change anything
just using lag frames + buffering to allow diddy to do it.
if any other character that could DACUS did this they would get the same result as a normal DACUS?
if so, this belongs in the Diddy boards.
and lol at someone thinking this will somehow improve Snake by item throw > DACUS, he can already slide 3/4 of FD, even if this goes a little farther it won't change anything
toobusytocare
Smash Lord
Felix told me that Diddy does have a normal dacus, but it doesnt slide far and all its used for is picking up bananas while usmashing
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
It probably isn't Diddy specific, it may also relate to other characters who can't DACUS normally. Most characters can DACUS but to no effect (they don't slide much or barely at all) and some physically "can't" (Diddy for instance) until now anyway.
I think that's an "on-contact" DACUS like the one Ally does a lot, and is a different thing.
- Joined
- Feb 6, 2009
- Messages
- 11,843
Isn't the only reason this works with diddy because there's a 1 frame window to cancel the dash attack, and it's not possible to do under normal conditions (either because of human speed or brawl mechanics idk) and buffering allows you to cancel the dash attack earlier than before?
please someone correct me if i'm wrong, i'd like to know how this works.
please someone correct me if i'm wrong, i'd like to know how this works.
xDD-Master
Smash Champion
Other characters are also able to do this.
Its just a normal Dacus, but in the first possible frame.
Diddy seems to get the biggest momentum when canceling the DA in Frame 2, other characters seem to have the normal DAC length when doing it in frame 2 (Or only a small difference)
That there are differences in the length of the DACUS which depends on the time of canceling is already known, just ask Falcos or Warios about their DACUS length and they will tell you that there are different ones
(Depends on the frame you cancel it to my knowledge)
Its just a normal Dacus, but in the first possible frame.
Diddy seems to get the biggest momentum when canceling the DA in Frame 2, other characters seem to have the normal DAC length when doing it in frame 2 (Or only a small difference)
That there are differences in the length of the DACUS which depends on the time of canceling is already known, just ask Falcos or Warios about their DACUS length and they will tell you that there are different ones
(Depends on the frame you cancel it to my knowledge)
XquiZiTX8X
Smash Cadet
Hehe, time to practice.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
If Zelda could do this....
J4pu
Smash Champion
.. but slightly less...
HailCrest
Smash Journeyman
****, if only it worked for lucas
LuigiKing
Smash Lord
Wat.
This is awesome. So that means any character that can DACUS normally should be able to do this? O.o
GeneralWoodman
Smash Lord
lol i wonder if it works with jigglypuff
someone test her, i suck at this tech
someone test her, i suck at this tech
xDD-Master
Smash Champion
1) Every character that can cancel it's Dash Attack from frame 2 or more can do it...
2) I think every character can cancel it's Dash Attack from frame 2 or more...
3) Yes, every character can cancel it's Dash Attack like that...
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
I litterally went oggggggggg, that's how good it sounds.
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
Dayum falco just got lots better. Can diddy do this out of a nanner throw? Edit: nvm answered already
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
I was thinking his aerials could actually be somewhat useful, now that I understand it a bit more. I think. >_<
When you did it out of Diddy Kong's Fair landing lag, did it cancel the lag, or just occur right after the lag?
J4pu
Smash Champion
Falco's normal DACUS done properly goes 1/2 FD
you got to use an Attack input to get it though, can't use grab button
Boofy!
Smash Champion
finally =) good stuff this is awesome, can't wait to mess around with it
solecalibur
Smash Master
Needs testing on [insert your main here]
Dragoomba
Smash Lord
If this worked with Ganon, I would cream indefinitely.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
Test with Zelda
rPSIvysaur
[ɑɹsaɪ]
- Joined
- Jun 7, 2009
- Messages
- 16,415
Couldn't you technically buffer this out of a normal landing?
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
More details and vids needed thanks.
solecalibur
Smash Master
10 edits to quote
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
I've thought it's been confirmed to be able to be done with every character that can DACUS.
bigman40
Smash Master
People still don't understand? All characters that have a DACUS before this was found, will have it here. This is just buffering the DACUS to make Diddy's possible. All other characters (everyone technically has a DACUS, but most are not useful like Yoshi's. His stops in place) don't benefit from this other than to be frame perfect with a hypen Usmash.
AlMoStLeGeNdArY
Smash Hero
So what are the properties of this that prevent a character from being able to do it or allow them to do it?
Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
Noooo, haha oh well.
Can't wait for to see the Falco chasing his laser one.
don't forget it works with Falco.
it's really fast, too. it's like... short hop, laser ZOOOOMIES look at dat upsmash oh wait u can't cuz it's too fast DACUS tech ftw
also, i believe it should work with ANY move that has any kind of lag or recovery. i tried with all of Falco's aerials and his laser with success.
i'll try his sidestep and b moves
edit: geezus, yeah it works out of sidestep and over. comes out ******** fast. it seems like in order to get the max distance that you have to C-Stick up after the buffer at the earliest frame possible.
now the fun part is going to be finding applications for this
it's really fast, too. it's like... short hop, laser ZOOOOMIES look at dat upsmash oh wait u can't cuz it's too fast DACUS tech ftw
also, i believe it should work with ANY move that has any kind of lag or recovery. i tried with all of Falco's aerials and his laser with success.
i'll try his sidestep and b moves
edit: geezus, yeah it works out of sidestep and over. comes out ******** fast. it seems like in order to get the max distance that you have to C-Stick up after the buffer at the earliest frame possible.
now the fun part is going to be finding applications for this
- Joined
- Mar 15, 2008
- Messages
- 10,050
I could get a small/normal sliding usmash out of them, but I couldn't get a magical bounce out of them, like Diddy's.
It depends on whether the character's dash attack has an acceleration on the cancellable frames or not.