B reversal lasers (With video)

forward · May 24, 2008

Some of you may know about this trick that's been going around lately called B reversals. It's where you use certain B moves to change your aerial momentum. Anyways it can be done w/ Falco's lasers and I think that in time it will be extremely useful and even necessary for Falco to play at a high level.

As of right now the best use I have found is SH out B reversal in NBx2. It's used in almost the same way dash dancing was used in melee, you make a quick retreat then come back w/ an attack.

There is a way you can do this w/ out changing directions. I want to be able to SH in and B reversal out while shooting lasers in.

This video was made by Redgreenblue and Exousia, showing off the reversal lasers in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBulOwIs7g

Tommy_G · May 24, 2008

It's really weird. The double turn around B is very, very technical, even more so than wave shining. It's a turn around B like you know from Melee paired with the B-reversal. It has a very tight timing and it has to be done quickly or you do a side B or hit the floor. This is a typical B-stick technique that is insanely hard to do without setting the C-Stick to special. :-/ Wish it was easier.

Forward, you picking up Falco for Brawl just like in Melee?

forward · May 24, 2008

Dude I'm loving Falco right now. I'm in training mode as I type this trying to do this double turn laser, it's crazy difficult. I don't like changing my buttons that much, especially not the c stick, so I gotta do this the old fashioned way of monk-training-in-the-mountains style.

Aw man and one more thing. If once you shoot the lasers it's best to hold backwards to push yourself further back. So the command goes like this:

Run, jump forward, tap backwards, NB, tap forward, tap backwards

Trying to do all that in a short hop is LOL

redgreenblue · May 24, 2008

Forward! How nice to see that you're still involved in the Falco metagame. You're the reason I started playing falco.

Anyways, b-reversals or wavebouncing as some people call it I find is a good trick with his lasers at close range. Double reversals could help but I had never thought of using them with lasers... hmm. To anyone that is curious, double reversal is melee b reversal (pressing opposite direction BEFORE b), then press b, then brawl b reversal (pressing opposite direction AFTER b). Practice the timing on ganon or falcon then graduate to other characters.

I gotta try using this double reversal from now on.

forward · May 24, 2008

Ohhhh thanks for explaining that. Now I understand what double reversals are.

redgreenblue · May 24, 2008

Now that I think about it, the momentum from the reversal would be really helpful in approaching... hmm...

Tommy_G · May 24, 2008

Its too fast for me to try to want to practice it. I wouldn't want to try to do it in tournament and mess up and side-B off of the ledge.

Btw Forward, loved your Melee Falco. And yes...Falco is very amazing. XD

Check this out, I'm working on something technical that might be a sick mindgame. I haven't put it on the Tactical boards, yet. It extends grab ranges, stalls and waits for shields, rolls, and dodges.

http://s126.photobucket.com/albums/p101/tommy090888/?action=view&current=GrabRange.jpg

redgreenblue · May 25, 2008

I practiced a bit, the timing isn't that hard once you get used to it. It's just kind of just a rush of button presses. It flows quite well, like a SHFFL did. I still need to work on speeding it up so I can do two lasers, but I am able to do it at least. It helps so much! It functions like a wavedash! This will be really helpful.

Corner-Trap · May 25, 2008

So you're able to jump towards your enemy then retreat with a laser, or jump away from your enemy then approach with a laser, both options sound good to me. I practiced for a few minutes an got the timing down, if you're able to SHFFL in Melee then this shouldn't be any problem.

TheKneeOfJustice · May 25, 2008

This technique will be especially useful for people who can get the lowest possible laser on the second shot to cover a lot of space while tricking them.

creepy fingers · May 25, 2008

ima def try this

thx forward!!!!! i didnt get a chance to see your falco at ucla

Blad01 · May 25, 2008

Oh yeah ! Finally a really hard technique for Falco ! I'm definitly gonna use this :D (Once i'm used to ^^")

wasabicheese · May 25, 2008

this is rly difficult... but if i work at it i know it wil be effective!

Exousia · May 25, 2008

Hmmm... I smell the biggest test in my Falco training now.

But I really dont want to change my control style JUST to do this technique.

What can be done?

redgreenblue · May 25, 2008

Okay, well I have mastered it, I think. No changes in control settings needed. Perform double reversal like so:

SH forward
Press the opposite direction you're facing (aka backward)
Quickly Press B
Quickly press the new opposite direction you're facing (aka forward)
Quickly Press B again

and that's the SHDRDL. :laugh:

We need a new name. How about DRL (double reversal lasers)?

Blad01 · May 25, 2008

Don't go too fast with the names, RGB.

Actually, i see 4-5 different uses, which could have different names... We'll see soon for the names, for the moment let's practice and find uses.

redgreenblue · May 25, 2008

Blad01 said:
Don't go too fast with the names, RGB.

Actually, i see 4-5 different uses, which could have different names... We'll see soon for the names, for the moment let's practice and find uses.

Well the different uses could all have different names I guess... but the most defining name should be used. Which is why i suggest DRL, because you do a double reversal with falco's lasers. But names don't really matter haha.

Exousia · May 25, 2008

Lets just call it short hop Ninja Lasers :laugh:

wasabicheese · May 25, 2008

Exousia said:
Lets just call it short hop Ninja Lasers

this would be epic to post in the AT discussion

TheKneeOfJustice · May 25, 2008

Someone who is proficient at all the variations needs to make a video showcasing and freeze framing all the inputs. I would, but I don't actually own Brawl or a capture card.

waks · May 25, 2008

Technique looks really good, awesome o_o Just kinda hard to get the timing down. And might hurt your hands after practicing for a while, lol

The Idealist · May 25, 2008

cool. also, hello forward iv seen you in videos. your good. hah.

redgreenblue · May 25, 2008

I can do a replay of it and then send the replay to someone who has a capture card (I had to sell my gamebridge because it didn't work with my pc ;__

. I'll go do it now.

What are the variations, anyways? B reversal, b reversal double laser, double b reversal, double b reversal double laser? Sure I'll go do it now.

Exousia · May 25, 2008

This just keeps proving that the b reverse lasers are ninja skills. xD

Especially if you have a black falco. xD

wasabicheese · May 25, 2008

my capture card broke...

redgreenblue · May 25, 2008

Okay, I have the replays if anyone is willing to capture them (I split them into four so I wouldn't make too many errors; reversal laser, reversal double laser, double reversal laser, double reversal double laser). The last one is going to help the most, I think. A lot of the lack of momentum is due to the fact that I'm still not sure exactly WHEN I should do the melee reversal to stop my forward momentum (the brawl reversal momentum is dependent on your previous momentum). Also I phantasmed twice in the third replay and was too lazy to make another one lol. Just ask for the replays so you can capture them.

Mecha Soul · May 25, 2008

I guess I should put some time into learning this.

I accidentally b-stick'd with Snake the other day, I was in the air and I dropped some C4, and Snake flew backwards <_<

edit: and yeah some replays of what exactly this looks like would be pretty helpful

redgreenblue · May 25, 2008

Hahaha... does anyone have a capture card? My replays are just kind of sitting around on my hard drive...

0RLY · May 25, 2008

Holy crap this sounds hard as hell! This is like moonwalking (melee style) in the air+lasers! *Brain asplodes*

Quick question: How much momentum is gained from this? It would be lame if you couldn't tell the difference...

redgreenblue · May 25, 2008

0RLy said:
Holy crap this sounds hard as hell! This is like moonwalking (melee style) in the air+lasers! *Brain asplodes*

Quick question: How much momentum is gained from this? It would be lame if you couldn't tell the difference...

It depends on when you do the melee reversal. The double reversal makes you move backwards for some reason, so it functions as kind of a mind game. If you do the reversal right before the laser, like immediately before (so as to not cancel your jumping momentum), then you gain an equal amount of momentum backwards. I am actually still confused why it moves you backwards... it's quite odd. You think it would that after the melee reversal, it would make you move forward... but the melee reversal doesn't affect your momentum at all.

The way I see it is... the momentum should move like this.

SH forward -> forward momentum starts
Melee reversal -> forward momentum retained
Neutral b -> forward momentum retained
Brawl reversal -> forward momentum increased

However, the reversal code in the game does not alter your momentum based on the direction you are facing, it seems, it alters it based on the direction you are moving. Hence, you move backwards after the double laser reversal. Perfect for rushing in with lasers without getting hit.

Oh, another thing. The timing for this double reversal makes it hard to NOT do the frame skip laser.

redgreenblue · May 26, 2008

Still have the replays just sitting around... lol.

Mecha Soul · May 26, 2008

I'd like to see the replays if you have them

I don't have an yway to record them unfortunately, but I'm interested in seeing how effective this is.

pm me or something of you wouldn't mind exchanging wii codes and sending them

redgreenblue · May 26, 2008

I decided it would be too strenuous to send the replays individually to people... here's the rapidshare link.

http://rapidshare.com/files/117726179/replays.zip.html

I still feel bad about my double reversal single lasers :laugh:

. I side+b'd twice.

I'll write what I'm doing in each of them:

Reversal single:

Dash
SH
Neutral B
Quickly press opposite direction

Reversal double:

Dash
SH
Neutral B
Quickly press opposite direction
Neutral B

Double reversal single:

Dash
SH
Press opposite direction (backward)
Neutral B
Quickly press new opposite direction (forward)

Double reversal double:

Dash
SH
Press opposite direction
Neutral B
Quickly press new opposite direction
Neutral B

TheKneeOfJustice · May 26, 2008

Lol, I can't get the .bin files to read. Any help?

redgreenblue · May 26, 2008

TheKneeOfJustice said:
Lol, I can't get the .bin files to read. Any help?

Put it on an SD card and view it on your wii. It should work, I didn't edit any of them.

Exousia · May 26, 2008

I'll check the out right now I got an SD card

I just have to finish some last minute emergency training.

EDIT: Ok I'll try to record these ASAP, just know that I'm going to record them on to my video cam because I dont got a capture card.

redgreenblue · May 26, 2008

Ah, that's good. I would've done via camera but I can't find my camera charger : P

TheKneeOfJustice · May 26, 2008

redgreenblue said:
Put it on an SD card and view it on your wii. It should work, I didn't edit any of them.

It would help if I owned Brawl.

redgreenblue · May 26, 2008

TheKneeOfJustice said:
It would help if I owned Brawl.

Yeah probably : P The wii records replays as instructions for the game to read and then display as a simulation of your match (but everything is exactly the same), not as videos. Sorry! Wait for exousia to upload the video.

redgreenblue · May 26, 2008

Uh... sorry to post again, but what happened?

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