japanese tourney performance list.

brinboy789 · Nov 5, 2008

here it is:

S:MetaKnight,Snake,Falco
A:R.O.B,Diddy,Marth,Pit,Fox
B:Mr. Game & Watch,Wolf,Toon Link
C:Ice Climbers,Olimar,Sheik,Zero Suit Samus,Pikachu,Lucario
D:Kirby,King Dedede,Mario,Lucas,Wario,Charizard
E:Zelda,Ike,Donkey Kong,Ness,Link,Luigi,Yoshi,Pokemon Trainer,Squirtle,Ivysaur
F:Sonic,Bowser,Samus,Captain Falcon,Jigglypuff,Peach
G:Ganondolf

how japanese players play aggressively:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEm-rQHRtvQ

this might contribute to why we think its so off

edit: CAPTIAN JACK VIDS!

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3F3AE717DAB742AC

watch them, try to turn america aggressive :3

since people are asking, i found this @ http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=203589

credit goes to somebody on fox boards who found it

SwordmasterXXXI · Nov 5, 2008

My eyes hurt......

~Cyn~ · Nov 5, 2008

Interesting find...

lolz...
G for Ganondorf duh!

cjrocker · Nov 5, 2008

Link please.

And LOL at Pokemon Trainer/Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard having their own positions.

Lord Viper · Nov 5, 2008

1) How old is this tier list?

2) Did you take this list from the Fox boards?

Endless Nightmares · Nov 5, 2008

so many things wrong with this list, I don't even know where to start.

What's with Dedede's placement? Is chaingrabbing banned over there?

Mith_ · Nov 5, 2008

Characters are more popular in different regions I'm sure.

Pit is more popular in Japan than here, and they play more aggressively than we do as well. That affects the tier list.

Chis · Nov 5, 2008

This is based on the Japanese metagame so comparing it to our list when we don't know much about their metagame is wrong.

So it's not way off until we know.

Teaddiction · Nov 5, 2008

That sucks! can´t believe that Ganondorf is the last one and that Pit is over Game and Watch...iI though they knew more about Brawl than us...lame

GodAtHand · Nov 5, 2008

Wow, Peach being that low is completely absurd. I guess thats how it goes when careful spacing is replaced with quick barrages of moves.

PKNintendo · Nov 5, 2008

Ness being much lower than Lucas? BACK!

Since when does Mario>Luigi.
Or Wario that low
or Peach being there?

Even if they do have a different metagame, there is NO WAY that's the JP tier list. No players are that stupid, and im pretty sure the japanese aren't.

Seems like a noobman's tier list.

Steeler · Nov 5, 2008

its funny that pt is separated, and that charizard is the best...when squirtle would probably benefit muuuuuch more from the japanese style of play.

ChronoPenguin · Nov 5, 2008

brinboy789 said:
here it is:

S:MetaKnight,Snake,Falco
A:R.O.B,Diddy,Marth,Pit,Fox
B:Mr. Game & Watch,Wolf,Toon Link
C:Ice Climbers,Olimar,Sheik,Zero Suit Samus,Pikachu,Lucario
D:Kirby,King Dedede,Mario,Lucas,Wario,Charizard
E:Zelda,Ike,Donkey Kong,Ness,Link,Luigi,Yoshi,Pokemon Trainer,Squirtle,Ivysaur
F:Sonic,Bowser,Samus,Captain Falcon,Jigglypuff,Peach
G:Ganondolf

i just wanna say that i think this is TOTALLY off. even more screwed up then ours, which is amazing. pit is too high, peach is way too low, dk is too low, D3 is WAY too low, wario is way too low, so is lucario g&w, ect. the list goes on. but this is the japanese tier list as of right now.

poor ganon

keep in mind that they play aggressively, so it might differ a bit from our list. but i didnt think this much O.o

old tier list here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Vse47W5GTM

lawlz ganon is still @ bottom

Tiers are based off the metagame and Match ups, and match ups affect the metagame anyways so eh.

The North american Meta is different from the Japanese one, you said it yourself.
In the way they play, ya, their list just might accurately reflect that.
They might look at our list and say WTF, they can probably say that, because we base ours off a certain way of playing, and since people don't play that was in Japan, they would probably have the same feelings of confusion looking at our list.

Also...if they play aggressively...how is Ganondorf going to be high in their metagame? Think of that, lots of people tried to play Ganondorf offensively here, and it hasn't worked for them.

If their metagame is highly aggressive, im surprised Ganondorf isn't at X >.>

brinboy789 · Nov 5, 2008

ChronoPenguin said:
Tiers are based off the metagame and Match ups, and match ups affect the metagame anyways so eh.

The North american Meta is different from the Japanese one, you said it yourself.
In the way they play, ya, their list just might accurately reflect that.
They might look at our list and say WTF, they can probably say that, because we base ours off a certain way of playing, and since people don't play that was in Japan, they would probably have the same feelings of confusion looking at our list.

Also...if they play aggressively...how is Ganondorf going to be high in their metagame? Think of that, lots of people tried to play Ganondorf offensively here, and it hasn't worked for them.

If their metagame is highly aggressive, im surprised Ganondorf isn't at X >.>

put @ top so people can see before they go WTFBBQHAX >_>

Denzi · Nov 5, 2008

It's pretty crazy how different it is.

notftomearth7 · Nov 5, 2008

Why is the Pokemon trainer on the list? Don't we normally critique his Pokemon individually?

Kaffei · Nov 5, 2008

What does it mean "they play aggressive?"
Does anyone have a link showing a video of Japanese Brawlers?

Lex Crunch · Nov 5, 2008

I find it ridiculous that Ganondorf is at the bottom of both ours and theirs... it also makes me sad.

Pikaville · Nov 5, 2008

Thats just weird.Ive never seen **** play anyways.

Kaffei · Nov 5, 2008

pikaville said:
Thats just weird.Ive never seen **** play anyways.

I wanna see a match, lol. See how aggressive they are.

brinboy789 · Nov 5, 2008

posted how japanese players are "agressive" on front post

Deleted member · Nov 5, 2008

Do Japanese dudes not know how to play DeDeDe?

HeroMystic · Nov 5, 2008

They don't camp like how we do. They're IN YO FACE! about it.

Flayl · Nov 5, 2008

Those videos are very old, relatively speaking.

Kaffei · Nov 5, 2008

brinboy789 said:
posted how japanese players are "agressive" on front post

Ah, didn't read carefully.

They really don't camp at all. @_@ Pretty pro.

5ive · Nov 5, 2008

It's amazing how the Japanese make Brawl fast <_<

MarKO X · Nov 5, 2008

aha.... toon zelda, awesome sig Kaffei.

Anyway, there's probably some info that we have that they don't and vice versa... maybe...

Is there a japanese Smashboards that we can translate such that we can see what they know about the game? I find it hard to believe that you can play offensive and not have a DDD chaingrab in ur arsenal just for kix.

K 2 · Nov 5, 2008

Who are the best japanese brawl players? I haven't been hearing of them as much as american players (azen, m2k, Anther!, lain, etc)

Blaze924 · Nov 5, 2008

So we play defensively (camp), while they play aggressively, do you think somebody like M2K can beat a pro Japanese player? Also, do you think that if they lose to our pros, they will also become MK players or camp?

Kaffei · Nov 5, 2008

MarKO X said:
aha.... toon zelda, awesome sig Kaffei.

Anyway, there's probably some info that we have that they don't and vice versa... maybe...

Is there a japanese Smashboards that we can translate such that we can see what they know about the game? I find it hard to believe that you can play offensive and not have a DDD chaingrab in ur arsenal just for kix.

Haha, thanks.

I want to know more about this Japanese metagame..Seems more effective than camping in my opinion.

The Real Gamer · Nov 5, 2008

This is a very interesting thread. I had no clue that the Japanese played like that. They actually make Brawl seem a lot faster paced than we do... Which brings up the question. Is the US's metagame inferior to Japans? I have a huge urge to see the greatest SSBB player from the US play the greatest from Japan... Man that would be a heck of a match.

Kitamerby · Nov 5, 2008

Where did you find this? I'm having my doubts. I know the Japanese are behind us in terms of metagame development as a whole, but this is ridiculous.

ChronoPenguin · Nov 5, 2008

Looking at the lil video you posted....I can see why their Tier list is like that.

Lucario and such are probably too slow for the style of play they use, since he's a floaty character like that, and someone like peach is probably similar.

So since there...like...quick dudes >.>......ya......fox is there for them.

Anyways...who said tier lists have to be the same?
I mean Japanese Pkmn vs English pkmn...I bet it's not the same either.
English pkmn is all like Garchomp (well not anymore lawl)...but ya... I can't even end this well.

Anyways different styles of play = different beliefs.
>.> Like Democratic and republican >.> They think differently.

HeroMystic · Nov 5, 2008

There is nothing wrong with an aggressive metagame if everyone else follows the same format. I bet they're saying they can wreck us while we're doing the same thing as well.

While we look at all of our options, their method is to beat the **** outta you as quick as possible. I'd like to say our method is better, but you never know until you pit the methods against each other. Theorycrafting won't work here.

ChronoPenguin · Nov 5, 2008

Umm...their method looks more fun.
However our method seems to be safer.

We complain about the speed....maybe they do too...but they play faster than us...we play safer.
Safe is boring.
>.> To japan!

Anyways....I'm surprised some people aren't actually higher in their list... and not by our standards >.> Im surprised Falco doesn't actually just overtake Snake...but eh...ya.

I'll stop talking for now cus im a ******.

HeroMystic · Nov 5, 2008

Well, Snake DOES have a lot of range and power, and his fast moves are... fast.

indianunit · Nov 5, 2008

The Real Gamer said:
This is a very interesting thread. I had no clue that the Japanese played like that. They actually make Brawl seem a lot faster paced than we do... Which brings up the question. Is the US's metagame inferior to Japans? I have a huge urge to see the greatest SSBB player from the US play the greatest from Japan... Man that would be a heck of a match.

What he said.

I wanna see m2k take on captain jack....if he plays brawl.

Barge · Nov 5, 2008

Their methods are interesting, they don't attempt smashes and limit their kill attacks until they're at a high percentage, which I guess is one of the reasons why pit is high and peach is low.

Chis · Nov 5, 2008

I don't think genralising their metagame on a few matches is a wise choice.

brinboy789 · Nov 5, 2008

updated on first post, captain jack brawl vids.

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