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Face124 · Dec 20, 2008

Thanks to ToKneeOrNotToKnee for testing with me, and helping to prove that this is inescapable

Note that this works on every character, but the set ups don't. Also note that the d-air is a set-up, and not part of the combo.

Seems like this is going to be very helpful for Falcon against some heavies. Although I've only come across one method of setting it up, I'm sure there are more waiting to be found.

VIDEO: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8ve-4k25LhQ

Quite simple, but took me a while to get used to. The set up I have is simply D-throw > Flub'd knee, and is ESCAPABLE. Of course you could simply fly at them with a knee, but I find this way easier to pull off.

So the combo goes Setup(in this case, D-throw) > Flub'd knee > F-tilt > whatever.

So far the best in each area I have are:
Setup > Flub'd Knee > F-tilt > Jab (simplest)
Setup > Flub'd Knee > F-tilt > SH AC N-air > Jab (most damage)
Setup > Flub'd Knee > F-tilt > SH Sweet Knee > Hyphen U-smash (most damage dealing, although the sweet knee can be tech'd, and thus it is escapable)
Setup > Flub'd Knee > F-tilt > D-air > Knee (best killer)

All have been tested on a Ganondorf, I have yet to test them on other heavies. The biggest obstacle to overcome is the setup, so please, ANY suggestions are VERY welcome.

INFO:

Set-ups

The d-throw set-up
Simply a D-throw to the flub'd knee. This so far is the only effective way of starting the combo, although it does require the opponent to hit the platform without doing anything. It is effective on:
Ganondorf
Bowser
DK
Link
King Dedede
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Captain Falcon
Charizard
Ivysaur
Snake

Video: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lJLI175USP0

The U-air platform method
At low percents, SH U-air an opponent standing on a platform then just go for the flub'd knee. I'm not sure if this is inescapable, but it doesn't look like it. This is effective on anyone, but particularly those with medium falling speeds.

Video:

Player-3 · Dec 20, 2008

i could see this being used on an ike at the edge to send him down to an edgehog... but other than that ..

plus they could just roll away from anything following the ftilt

Face124 · Dec 20, 2008

Player-3 said:
i could see this being used on an ike at the edge to send him down to an edgehog... but other than that ..

plus they could just roll away from anything following the ftilt

No. according to the big thread on the Ganondorf tiperman combo, after a jab lock the victim will, no matter what, stand directly upwards.

And the fact that its a great damage builder

Jim Morrison · Dec 20, 2008

Players can escape after the D-throw with airdodge, air attack, or jump. Test it on a player to make it legit

Zeallyx · Dec 20, 2008

This has potential.
But testing on a human player is still needed to make sure this works 100% of the time.
As it stands now, it is really awesome though.

Darxmarth23 · Dec 20, 2008

I love flubb combos.

Who doesn't?

10knees

Jim Morrison · Dec 20, 2008

Knee has no failure :\. Sweet knee = win, flubbed knee = C-C-C-COMBO

Player-3 · Dec 20, 2008

Face124 said:
No. according to the big thread on the Ganondorf tiperman combo, after a jab lock the victim will, no matter what, stand directly upwards.

And the fact that its a great damage builder

oh i didnt know that sorry

Good job man =D

EDIT:
Just thought of this, after the ftilt could you possibly predict a Falcon Kick?

IF so....
1- Space perfectly
2- Nudge combo
3- Falcon kick ledge cancel
4- ????
5- PROFIT!

Zeallyx · Dec 20, 2008

Player-3 said:
oh i didnt know that sorry

Good job man =D

EDIT:
Just thought of this, after the ftilt could you possibly predict a Falcon Kick?

IF so....
1- Space perfectly
2- Nudge combo
3- Falcon kick ledge combo
4- ????
5- PROFIT!

I like the way you think

Player-3 · Dec 20, 2008

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
I like the way you think

<3

But youd have to have PERFECT spacing... but a falcon kick would be good punishment anyways

maybe an up b/side b after?

or a fsmash/dsmash/utilt/dtilt

pretty much anything lol

Zeallyx · Dec 20, 2008

Player-3 said:
<3

But youd have to have PERFECT spacing... but a falcon kick would be good punishment anyways

maybe an up b/side b after?

or a fsmash/dsmash/utilt/dtilt

pretty much anything lol

nah, as they have to stand up normally this way, one can just falcon kick them when they get up, and even space it. (one needs to memorise the placings for the falcon kick>ledge cancel, with and without hitting your opponent. At least, I am working on doing this)

M-WUZ-H3R3 · Dec 20, 2008

If the gannondorf mashed the sheild button or A button, they could get out. He fell on his back didnt he? its very easy to escape a D-throw and not fall.
It's not a combo. You cant even call it a chain.

Zeallyx · Dec 20, 2008

M-WUZ-H3R3 said:
If the gannondorf mashed the sheild button or A button, they could get out. He fell on his back didnt he? its very easy to escape a D-throw and not fall.
It's not a combo. You cant even call it a chain.

the combo starts after he falls on his back
it's like a very small lock kind of thing

this is a way of punishing an opponent who doesn't tech

M-WUZ-H3R3 · Dec 20, 2008

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
the combo starts after he falls on his back
it's like a very small lock kind of thing

oh so its a 2 hit combo? I guess it will work. I need more testing on my d4 cancel combo.
Its a 4 hit combo (all 4 start with D) with jiggs, and it has a high chance of working:
-D-air drill
-Double jab
-D-tilt
-Dacus

the D-tilt dacus works, but im not shure its a combo.

Player-3 · Dec 20, 2008

the d throw is just one way to set it up, the combo is flubbed knee > ftilt > follow up

Z1GMA · Dec 20, 2008

Try this..

Dthrow -> SH AC Uair during their bounce (causes forced rise up) -> Falcon punch
(They wake up in the hitbox)

Rapzz · Dec 20, 2008

Try, down throw > flubbed knee > jab > jab cancel > grab > down throw > to something.

Wogrim · Dec 21, 2008

So is this whole thread basically just about gimp Knee and FTilt resetting a bounce?

legion598 · Dec 21, 2008

um okay so this has to be a missed tech like in a jab lock, it cant just be a grounded flubb knee right? cuz if thats the case wouldnt a down air on an aireal opponent be a better set up because its really easy to tech a down throw

Wogrim · Dec 21, 2008

Yeah it's pretty much requiring an opponent to not tech when they hit the ground. DThrow will be airdodged, 2nd jumped, or teched 99.9% of the time. DAir is the obvious answer IF there's enough time to get a flub knee out. Also more likely to work than DThrow is DTilt or Dash Attack to opponent landing on a platform (and then you full hop your flub knee). Maybe DThrow to platform too. Not sure when they bounce compared to when you can move (obviously this is %-dependent).

You should also be able to get better follow-ups. Did you try Falcon Punch (seriously), and also I would expect DAir to Knee to work.

Face124 · Dec 21, 2008

M-WUZ-H3R3 said:
If the gannondorf mashed the sheild button or A button, they could get out. He fell on his back didnt he? its very easy to escape a D-throw and not fall.
It's not a combo. You cant even call it a chain.

Please, read the first OP before posting, I say in it that the D-throw is a set-up, and not part of the combo. Yes, maybe the Ganondorf could mash shield, but if the Falcon did it properly, it wouldn't work.

I've not tested Falcon punch as of yet, although I doubt it will be inescapable. D-air to Knee was exactly what I was thinking too, but I've yet to test. Keep watching this thread because I'm gonna be getting lots of new videos and things within the next hour.

The thing about the D-air set-up is that if you do a knee, you get landing lag on the ground and can't follow up, so I don't think we should use that method.

Winnar · Dec 21, 2008

Basically what you're doing is using the flubb knee to lead into a jab lock. I'm not sure why you're doing an f-tilt or anything other than the one-two jab over and over again to keep them bouncing.

Besides, at the end you can end it with a charged smash or maybe a falcon punch.

So really the only thing novel about this thread is using the flubb knee to keep them bouncing to get into a jab lock.

Also d-throw would never work ever ever ever in a real match, even if your opponent is terrible.

Face124 · Dec 21, 2008

Winnar said:
Basically what you're doing is using the flubb knee to lead into a jab lock. I'm not sure why you're doing an f-tilt or anything other than the one-two jab over and over again to keep them bouncing.

Besides, at the end you can end it with a charged smash or maybe a falcon punch.

So really the only thing novel about this thread is using the flubb knee to keep them bouncing to get into a jab lock.

Also d-throw would never work ever ever ever in a real match, even if your opponent is terrible.

Falcon doesn't have a jab lock. A second f-tilt can be escaped. And no, we're also discussing alternate endings and other set-ups. The idea of a charged f-smash is in the video, and FP is escapable.

Zeallyx · Dec 21, 2008

face, you should edit into the OP that this is a great way to punish missed techs.
People are focusing too much on what doesn't matter (the Dthrow.)

Ayaz18 · Dec 21, 2008

yeah, I do jab resets to like Fsmash. a good way to set up for these are to use platforms

ie. on battlefield Uthrow to the top platform sets up well, or Dthrow on the lower platforms.

but I did not know the flubbed knee set's it up? good ****

Roderick · Dec 22, 2008

Can't you D throw>flubbed knee> D throwetc?

Zeallyx · Dec 22, 2008

Roderick said:
Can't you D throw>flubbed knee> D throwetc?

maybe, but incase you think this could result in a CG, you should know the Dthrow>flub knee is not a combo.

I'm not saying you don't know this, but I tell you just incase

Face124 · Dec 23, 2008

I've found two more set-ups!

1: SH U-air an opponent at a low percent on a platform above you, they will fall off and then you can start. This is very effective but circumstantial.

2: Dash-A. Its really good and simple :D

SmashBrother2008 · Jan 2, 2009

Face124 said:
Dthrow > Flub'd Knee > F-tilt > SH AC N-air > Jab (most damage)

That is the longest combo I've ever seen for Captain Falcon. O.O wow.

Should tack on a jab lock for extra hits; Dthrow > Flub'd Knee > F-tilt > SH AC N-air > Jab > Jab lock. *stands back and observes* Isn't it beautiful?

Zeallyx · Jan 2, 2009

SmashBrother2008 said:
That is the longest combo I've ever seen for Captain Falcon. O.O wow.

Although the Dthrow doesn't combo into the other moves, and is just a setup fot the rest, you are right :laugh:

it prolly is

Face124 · Jan 3, 2009

Ok, let's forget about the d-throw, there are other setups.

Prez08 · Jan 3, 2009

Face124 said:
Note that this works on every character, but the set ups don't. Also note that the d-air is a set-up, and not part of the combo.

You never explained how this is a set-up.

Player-3 · Jan 3, 2009

Prez08 said:
You never explained how this is a set-up.

the COMBO is Flub'd knee > ftilt > moves you feel best using

the dthrow is just a way to SET UP for the FLUB'D KNEE, making it easier to land one, and therefore this combo moar praktikal

get it?

Zeallyx · Jan 3, 2009

Player-3 said:
the COMBO is Flub'd knee > ftilt > moves you feel best using

the dthrow is just a way to SET UP for the FLUB'D KNEE, making it easier to land one, and therefore this combo moar praktikal

get it?

The bolded is incorrect.
The Dthrow, sets up for this combo by getting the opponents laying on the ground (making the combo possible)

Face124 · Jan 3, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
The bolded is incorrect.
The Dthrow, sets up for this combo by getting the opponents laying on the ground (making the combo possible)

Bouncing on the ground*

Perfectionist much :laugh:

EDIT: I mean me, btw, I realize this could come off the wrong way.

Player-3 · Jan 3, 2009

ToKneeOrNotToKnee said:
The bolded is incorrect.
The Dthrow, sets up for this combo by getting the opponents laying on the ground (making the combo possible)

ah well i tried..

Zeallyx · Jan 3, 2009

Face124 said:
Bouncing on the ground*

Perfectionist much

EDIT: I mean me, btw, I realize this could come off the wrong way.

potáto
pot'ato :laugh:

you understood what I meant, and that's what matters :laugh:

Prez08 · Jan 3, 2009

Face124 said:
Also note that the d-air is a set-up, and not part of the combo.

I think the bold is supposed to say Dthrow.
:dizzy:

Face124 · Jan 3, 2009

Prez08 said:
I think the bold is supposed to say Dthrow.

quite
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Prez08 · Jan 3, 2009

Face124 said:
quite
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lol

I won't tell any1

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