The Complete Mario Matchup Thread

HeroMystic · Jul 7, 2009

Matador said:
Because grab release into Klaw is way worse.

I don't think he has it into Dtilt though. Ftilt I'm sure, and maybe even downB.

Down-B is Ness/Lucas only.

A2ZOMG · Jul 7, 2009

He can't grab release downtilt on a jump break. Just mash jump and you're more often than not gonna jump break, and even though he can F-air you out of that, the timing for that can be difficult for him.

And if he mistimes grab release D-tilt or F-tilt by a SINGLE frame, it's a free powershield.

fromundaman · Jul 7, 2009

A2ZOMG said:
He can't grab release downtilt on a jump break. Just mash jump and you're more often than not gonna jump break, and even though he can F-air you out of that, the timing for that can be difficult for him.

And if he mistimes grab release D-tilt or F-tilt by a SINGLE frame, it's a free powershield.

Which is why he'd have to buffer it.
All I'm saying is that he can.

Matt07 · Jul 7, 2009

I'd have to go for an even in this match-up. Watching what tools Bowser has, and how Mario can handle them, this makes it an interesting match.

Inferno3044 · Jul 8, 2009

Maybe my views are different and I learned you can't cape during invincibility frames. I guess I never knew cuz i just cape after them. As far as I know about Bowser, he has an amazing defensive game but doesn't do well against people who can be very campy which is why they give nicknames to characters like Campachu, Spammy McArrow, and Spamus. Imo, all you have to do is outcamp Bowser and he loses some of his strongest points. Characters like Falco, Pit, and Mario can camp Bowser effectively. You take away his amazing defensive game, then its definitely takes out some of his big advantages and gives us an advantage.

Fire! · Jul 14, 2009

*Bumps and suggests Luigi, Zelda or Dedede.

:mad: · Jul 14, 2009

Might as well do Dedede second to last.

Any other suggestions? Seconds?

DtJ XeroXen · Jul 15, 2009

My suggestion is Ness.

EDIT: This is completely serious, I wanna do the Ness matchup so badly. Not for t3h lulz either. (Because lulz are for uncool ppl k)

:mad: · Jul 15, 2009

I thought Ness was going to be last for good measure.

DJayS · Jul 15, 2009

we haven't done DDD yet :O
why not do him now? >.>
I have a DDD matchup and I was hoping I could get some advice on him XD

DtJ XeroXen · Jul 15, 2009

It's 70:30 D3's favor.

But I really wanna do Ness. Why would we do him last? That discussion will be fun if we get the Nesses here I just know it.

DJayS · Jul 15, 2009

XeroXen said:
It's 70:30 D3's favor.

But I really wanna do Ness. Why would we do him last? That discussion will be fun if we get the Nesses here I just know it.

schweet thx for the advice

yea imma definitley win my match tomorrow XD
yup yup yup

I'd try to give you advice on Ness but I'm not really good at giving advice :/
then again I don't really have any advice >.>
...I'll think of something XD

DtJ XeroXen · Jul 15, 2009

The most I can give you is don't get grabbed if they know the infinate.

If they don't know the infinate, go to town by camping and get inside their range, then combo him like it's no tommorrow, end with a cape gimp. Rinse and repeat.

DJayS · Jul 15, 2009

cool thx for the advice

but unfortunatley i'm pretty sure my opponent knows how to infinate >.<

with Ness, fludd his up-b

but i'm pretty sure you already knew that XD
look out for his PKT tricks because they'll mess you up
and maybe you could try to semi-WoP him off the stage to get him to bust out his up-b so that way you could fludd it

that's all I have right now >.<
but I'll try to think up of more stuff XD

DtJ XeroXen · Jul 15, 2009

I won't have to play a ness for a while, I wanna do the matchup because it's hilarious.

DJayS · Jul 15, 2009

oh >.>
okai XD

vato_break · Jul 15, 2009

Djay you live in socal,the infinate is banned here.No need to worry about DDD too much since their really aern't any at all.

DJayS · Jul 15, 2009

actually it's a wi-fi tourney and infinates are allowed XD

DtJ XeroXen · Jul 15, 2009

Well it's not like money is on the line or anything, so don't overreact if you get too gayed by D3.

DJayS · Jul 15, 2009

tru

but my opponent used Samus instead haha XD

Fire! · Jul 16, 2009

Straked, you should throw a dart at a picture of the character selection screen or something. lol.

:mad: · Jul 16, 2009

I was considering doing that, but I'd probably break my screen. We'll just do Luigi because he's Luigi.

PKNintendo · Jul 16, 2009

XeroXen said:
It's 70:30 D3's favor.

But I really wanna do Ness. Why would we do him last? That discussion will be fun if we get the Nesses here I just know it.

Nah, our drive kinda just died out you know.

I mean you guys could start with Fludd>Ness recovery
We argue that it doesn't...

Well I guess some of us would but, it's not as fun as the olden days.

DtJ XeroXen · Jul 16, 2009

Yeah do Luigi if not Ness.

I think it's 50/50, but eh.

vato_break · Jul 16, 2009

60:40 luigi's favor.

Uffe · Jul 16, 2009

DJayS said:
with Ness, fludd his up-b

I still haven't been hit by that.

By the way, the Ness boards had this match up discussion with you Mario mains awhile back and agreed it was 55:45 Mario.

vato_break said:
60:40 luigi's favor.

Why would you think that? What makes Luigi more superior?

hippiedude92 · Jul 16, 2009

7/3 luigi because i main both as well majority of the people on this board prolly use both or use some luigi as well.

2gud.

A2ZOMG · Jul 16, 2009

I've said it a million times. vs Luigi is even.

Mario has an edge camping, and to a lesser extent edgeguarding, while Luigi has an edge KOing ridiculously early if he can land one of his short ranged KO moves, and then some of his combos do slightly more damage.

Luigi's N-air is very manageable if you know what to expect. Just U-tilt whenever he's above you. It will always beat his N-air or D-air. And I do in fact mean it when I say "always".

The hardest thing to deal with in this matchup is just Tornado, since he will generally use it to punish your ending lag on stuff. Fireballs can stop it in its tracks, and if you predict it, F-smash can beat it.

Mentioning F-smash, Mario's F-smash is so ridiculously good in this matchup, it very much makes up for Luigi's crazy KO power by being a solid counter to a lot of his moveset and physics. F-smash is safe on block in this matchup, and it outranges Luigi's entire movepool. This allows you to consistently mindgame the **** out of him for some clutch KOs in this matchup. If Mario's F-smash KOed just a little earlier, this matchup would swing to Mario's favor. It's that good in this matchup.

In short, both combo the heck out of each other, and while Luigi may have some dirty tricks up his sleeve, Mario can F-smash him in the nuts to put him back in his place.

DtJ XeroXen · Jul 16, 2009

Vato, to put it blunt... you're wrong. 60/40 Luigi's is just WRONG.

It's 50/50, or MABYE 55/45 Luigi's favor. I don't know why people think Luigi has a decently large advantage in this matchup, it's really not hard.

_clinton · Jul 16, 2009

Luigi vs. Mario is even...but the mysterious Mr. L vs. Mario is no where near the word even...

Also tis nice to see other boards wanting to talk about Ness...I guess we are that lovable...

A2ZOMG · Jul 16, 2009

Vato is probably jokin with you and the rest of Smashboards. =P

What better way to put a matchup in your favor than making your opposition overconfident about it? XD

Inferno3044 · Jul 16, 2009

A2, you said most things i wanted to say about the MU. Only thing I wanna add is our fireballs are definitely better overall. still even.

D3 was settled about a month ago. 65:35 D3 w/o infinite (i think its possibly 60:40).

Bowser is 60:40 Mario. Just camp him and don't be an idiot by blindly approaching.

I have no care for who is next, so choose and decide

DtJ XeroXen · Jul 16, 2009

I wanna see what the Luigi's have to say about the Mario MU.

Monk/Honkey/Banana · Jul 16, 2009

vato_break said:
60:40 luigi's favor.

100/0 Luigi's Favor....that ***** cleans house....literally....like with a vacuum...

Uffe · Jul 16, 2009

I can't see much difference between the two. Both Mario and Luigi have very similar attacks. The only big difference are their up, forward and down specials Their aerial attacks overall aren't that much different. While Luigi has a better recovery, Mario has two gimp games. Overall I think they're evenly matched.

hippiedude92 · Jul 16, 2009

XeroXen said:
I wanna see what the Luigi's have to say about the Mario MU.

Your on ******.

still 7/3 in luigi's favor.

DtJ XeroXen · Jul 16, 2009

Get ur luigi's here hippy.

It's totally even.

Or 99/1 Mario's favor, whichever works better.

Matt07 · Jul 16, 2009

Lol, this should be an interesting discussion.

But we should at least let Straked know, so he's not totally confused.

vato_break · Jul 16, 2009

ok kiddies believe what you wanna believe ^_^

HeroMystic · Jul 16, 2009

So... when did Luigi pop up?

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