What character has the highest potential when the game is played perfectly?

stingers · May 27, 2009

Transcending all human limits and only being limited by the 60 frames per second limit, what one character could absolutely not be beaten no matter what?

In Melee, it was a tie between Fox, Falco, and Bowser. Fox and Falco can never be hit if they multishine frame perfect, and Bowser has an infinite ledge stall. The match would never end because nobody would ever get hurt.

In Brawl, who can never be beaten assuming perfect play?

Project D · May 27, 2009

I predict many people will jsut say
"MK"

Red Arremer · May 27, 2009

Considering not every tactic of every character has been discovered yet, it's hard to say, but I suppose Top Tier is where you should look at.

stingers · May 27, 2009

Well we have to deal with the knowledge we have, that's a given.

We certainly have enough knowledge, though.

MK's Infinite Dimensional Cape would obviously give him the win in Top Tier (and the rest of the game), but that's just ******** and we shouldn't really consider it.

Swordplay · May 27, 2009

Wolf because down special have SA and almost no punish lag. Frame perfectly, you could negate almost any hit and counter. Maybe oli......

Pretty sure there was already another thread on this.

Jigglymaster · May 27, 2009

I don't know who for sure but I can tell you its not Diddy.

Everyone would be able to perfect shield his bananas.

:mad: · May 27, 2009

I'd say Marth.
Just because.

bleyva · May 27, 2009

if every character was player perfectly without any blemishes, they would all be perfectly equal.

otherwise, they wouldnt be perfect.

godofrock72 · May 27, 2009

Meta Knight could use his Down-B glitch to stay invincible and sneak up on opponents, so I'd say him.

Negi-Kun · May 27, 2009

Sonic, Sheik, Wolf, Olimar, Fox AAAAAAAAND

Falcon.

Yeah. I said it.

TokiDoki · May 27, 2009

olimar of course

darkchaos59 · May 27, 2009

Straked said:
I'd say Marth.
Just because.

wow nice explanation
it would have 2 be MK because he has fast attacks

stingers · May 27, 2009

...I'm liking the intelligent discussion so far.

Anyway, Olimar's Down B super armor lasts for 15 frames: Frames 2-16, and the move ends on Frame 20. There is 4 frames of incapacitation after the super armor ends. The fastest thing you can do after a whistle is whistle again, which means you'll need to wait an additional 2 frames before you can get more invincibility, making the grand total 6 frames of vulnerability after a successful whistle.

If you think that's unpunishable, you're insane.

uhmuzing · May 27, 2009

Straked said:
I'd say Marth.
Just because.

Marth would be a candidate, but I say MK, just because.

Swordplay · May 27, 2009

stingers135 said:
...I'm liking the intelligent discussion so far.

Anyway, Olimar's Down B super armor lasts for 15 frames: Frames 2-16, and the move ends on Frame 20. There is 4 frames of incapacitation after the super armor ends. The fastest thing you can do after a whistle is whistle again, which means you'll need to wait an additional 2 frames before you can get more invincibility, making the grand total 6 frames of vulnerability after a successful whistle.

If you think that's unpunishable, you're insane.

Thats why I said wolf

§leepy God · May 27, 2009

♫ Snake... he doesn't die no matter how hard you try, he come's back and kills you. x_x ☼

professor mgw · May 27, 2009

Project D said:
I predict many people will jsut say
"MK"

yeah, he pretty much said it.
mk is just 2 chessy.

stingers · May 27, 2009

Swordplay said:
Thats why I said wolf

Shine has...14 frames of cooldown and 6 frames of startup.

Not a chance.

Fire! · May 27, 2009

Game and Watch maybe?

Or it could be a tie between him and Snake. They could just tech chase if the game was played "perfectly."

stingers · May 27, 2009

Then they'd need to get a grab.

Collective of Bears · May 27, 2009

Nobody. If the game was played perfectly, nobody would ever get hit. Everything would be shielded and/or dodged.

stingers · May 27, 2009

I think there are enough frame traps that not everything can be shielded and/or dodged.

Collective of Bears · May 27, 2009

However, at the perfect level, the player wouldn't fall into said frame traps.

:mad: · May 27, 2009

That would mean every match would time out with neither player being hit. You can still play perfectly, but you're never truly safe.

Any character with fast, ranged attacks, good aerial speed so they can dish them out quickly and still retreat. And any projectile with a grab follow-up puts you in a bad postion. You'd have to perfect shield AND spotdodge every time. It just won't happen.

Sosuke · May 27, 2009

Toon Link.
Defiantly.
Just look at him.

And with this, I break my 6,666 post count.

¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯ · May 27, 2009

Swordplay said:
Thats why I said wolf

Wolf's Down-B can be punished too. IDK what frame it ends on but I know it has 5 invincibility frames and it's longer than 5 frames.

bleyva said:
if every character was player perfectly without any blemishes, they would all be perfectly equal.

Umm no. Brawl is not balanced.

POKE40 · May 27, 2009

Olimar:
abuse those super armor frames with down B
hahaha

Diddy kong perhaps?
or even falco?

Nah... it'll be MK.

stingers · May 27, 2009

SOLID, read the thread lol.

I think it might possibly be MK.

Hiiiiiii · May 27, 2009

Assuming everyone is perfect nobody would win since EVERYBODY would perfect shield everything or perfectly dodge every grab.

Assuming there isn't perfect shields everytime, DK for his huge hitboxes.

¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯ · May 27, 2009

stingers135 said:
SOLID, read the thread lol.

Oh ya, sorry missed that.

I say MK, but it might be Marth.

Marth has frame traps with Dtilt, Side-B is one of the best punishers in the game, etc.

Supermodel From Paris · May 27, 2009

Probably Marth.

darkchaos59 · May 27, 2009

hey if snake and mk r there why shouldnt sonic

Moozle · May 27, 2009

Lol if Olimar just did nothing but whistle super armor. That wouldn't make him win, though, so I'm going to say...Jiggs! Invisibility frames on rest means no one can get near her...Huzzah!

stingers · May 27, 2009

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daisho · May 27, 2009

stingers135 said:
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Its a open forum... anyone can post.

That being said... anyone who has a guarenteed GFSC would only need to get a footstool jump in... Im sure that would be possible... the rest of the time then could perfect shield and dodge everything.

Im gonna say DK because his GFSC pwns.

stingers · May 27, 2009

getting a footstool is once again something that would never be done at perfect level play

because you will be dodging everything possible to dodge

the only strategies are undodgable attacks or making yourself completely unhittable.

Deleted member · May 27, 2009

Commander Blitzkrieg said:
Nobody. If the game was played perfectly, nobody would ever get hit. Everything would be shielded and/or dodged.

That's like saying "If chess was played perfectly, no piece would ever get lost."
lul GBD.

Tachyon · May 27, 2009

I would honestly say, Falco, marth, Mk, and ICs. Yes ICs. Played perfectly they would probably get at least ONE grab in. And that would equal 1 stock on perfect ICs.

SpongeBathBill · May 27, 2009

tnemrot said:
That's like saying "If chess was played perfectly, no piece would ever get lost."
lul GBD.

Actually this kind of gets me thinking.

I would say that not taking damage takes priority over dealing damage, by and large - you can always find an opportunity to deal damage later, but once it's tacked on it's there forever.

So ANY time in which a player gets hit, they've made a mistake.

Therefore...if SSB was played perfectly, no character would ever get hit >_>

thesage · May 28, 2009

I pretty sure there are enough characters with enough ledgestalls to show you what happens at frame perfection.

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