The new CG thread!

Welcome to the new and (hopefully) better chaingrab thread!​

Guys, I want you to fill in the blanks and question marks, especially on buffered chaingrabs!
I want to see if buffers take away counters, increase the length of the chaingrab etcetera.
They can't steal our bread if they're being chaingrabbed, after all.
The chaingrab is probably one of Falco's best options, so this needs to be completed.


1) Characters you can always walking and running chaingrab

Bowser
Captain Falcon
Charizard
Donkey Kong
Fox
Ganondorf
Ike
Ivysaur
King Dedede
Link
Sheik
Wolf

2) Characters you should walking chaingrab

Game & Watch
Falco
MetaKnight
Snake

3) Characters you should running chaingrab

Diddy Kong
Lucas
Ness
Pikachu

6) Characters you should use the buffered chaingrab on

Sonic (walk)
Zelda (walk)
Mario (running)
Ness (walking) (if not enough space for running)
Zero suit samus (running)
Olimar (walk)
Marth (running)

4) Characters that can escape the chaingrab

Game & Watch (up B)
Ice Climbers (Partner action) (even when buffered)
Luigi (Nair)
Marth (Up B) (When buffered this is later)
Olimar (Jump + AFA) (When buffered this is later)
ROB (Jump; Fair)
Zero suit samus (downB) (when buffered this can't be used)


5) Characters you can't chaingrab

Jigglypuff
Kirby
Lucario
Peach
Samus



Mario
Walking Chaingrab :
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times from 0%) *
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters :
* Up B, Nair, UAir, Jump if Falco is not quick enough.

Luigi :
Walking Chaingrab :
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times from 0%)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters :
* Nair (from 9 %)

Peach
Walking Chaingrab : 2 times ?*
Running Chaingrab : Impossible.
Buffered Chaingrab:

Bowser
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Donkey Kong
Walking Chaingrab :
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times from 0%)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters :

Diddy Kong :
Walking Chaingrab :
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times from 0%)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters :

Yoshi
Walking Chaingrab :
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times from 0%)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters :

Wario
Walking Chaingrab :
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times from 0%)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Link
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Zelda
Walking Chaingrab : 2 times ?
Running Chaingrab : Impossible
Buffered Chaingrab: 0-45% (5 times)

:shiek: Shiek
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Ganondorf
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Toon Link
Walking Chaingrab : ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Samus
Walking Chaingrab : 0-18% (2 times)*
Running Chaingrab : Impossible
Buffered Chaingrab:

Zero Suit Samus
Walking Chaingrab : 0-36% (4 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters : Down B (from 36%)

Pit
Walking Chaingrab : ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Ice climbers (If one of them only)
Walking Chaingrab : ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters : Shieldgrab / reaction with partner.

ROB
Walking Chaingrab : 0-18% (2 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-18 % (2 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters : Jump (18%); Fair (?? %)

Kirby
Walking Chaingrab : 2 times ?*
Running Chaingrab : Impossible
Buffered Chaingrab:

MetaKnight*
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times from 0%)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times from 0%)*
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters :
* Jump away (from 36%) (RCG)
* Nair and Uair to rack up damages (The grab has the priority). (RCG)
* No counters for Walking CG.

King Dedede
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times) ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-54% (6 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Olimar
Walking Chaingrab : ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)*
Buffered Chaingrab: 0-45 % (5 times)
Counters :
- Jump / AFA

Fox
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

:bandit: Falco
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Wolf
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

aptainfalcon: Captain Falcon
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Pikachu
Walking Chaingrab : 4 times ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters : Dair (from 27%)

Squirtle
Walking Chaingrab : ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Ivysaur
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Charizard
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Lucario
Walking Chaingrab : 2 times*
Running Chaingrab : Impossible
Buffered Chaingrab:

Jigglypuff
Walking Chaingrab : 2 times*
Running Chaingrab : Impossible
Buffered Chaingrab:

Marth*
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab: 0-27% (3 times)
Counters :
* Up B (doesn't work on buffered till 3 grabs)

Ike
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Ness
Walking Chaingrab : ?
Running Chaingrab : ?
Buffered Chaingrab:

Lucas
Walking Chaingrab : ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:

Mr. Game & Watch
Walking Chaingrab : ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters : Up B (36%) ?

Snake
Walking Chaingrab : 0-45% (5 times)*
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times)
Buffered Chaingrab:
Counters : Grenade, mostly for RC.

Sonic
Walking Chaingrab : ?
Running Chaingrab : 0-45 % (5 times) *
Buffered Chaingrab: 0-45 % (5 times)


* = Must be timed perfectly, if you don't want the opponent to escape the Chaingrab.

For Marth you should note that you can get 2 legit Grabs at 0%.

BleachigoZX said:

For Marth you should note that you can get 2 legit Grabs at 0%.

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yeah when u run and get the (silent grab) perfect. same for snake(walking grab) u get 3( no grenade drop) when perfect.

Notra said:

yeah when u run and get the (silent grab) perfect. same for snake(walking grab) u get 3( no grenade drop) when perfect.

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Silent grab? I guess that's a perfectly timed grab.


Does getting the first regrab on marth involve buffering? Do we get more grabs with buffering?

I wouldn't know.

I just do it all the time, infact I didn't even know you could buffer Falco's Grab.

Xonar said:

Silent grab? I guess that's a perfectly timed grab.


Does getting the first regrab on marth involve buffering? Do we get more grabs with buffering?

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by buffering u mean pressing buttons in advanced. or perfectly timing or both? from what i know its both. correct me if im wrong

You can get three grabs on Marth if it's timed perfectly, actually.

All buffering does is make sure that it's timed perfect. It doesn't do the grab any sooner than you would normally be able to.

pure_awesome said:

You can get three grabs on Marth if it's timed perfectly, actually.

All buffering does is make sure that it's timed perfect. It doesn't do the grab any sooner than you would normally be able to.

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thats what i thought it was. thx.

it should be noted that cgs do not have to be strictly performed at one type of movement/speed
if you're close to the edge, PLEASE start running...there are too many stupid falcos that miss free damage that way

I was wondering about luigi/zss/rob, do they get their counters when you buffer?

Luigi can get a Nair fast enough, ZSS can't do **** (if im correct) if u time the CG perfectly and I don't know about ROB. About marth, I think that you can only get 2 grabs on him starting at 0% if done perfectly. I kinda know for sure he can Up B if u try for a 3rd one.

it's about time....

I believe you can walking cg Ness...it just has to be perfect.

I know chain grab is amazing....
But at 36% we can Down Throw, Down Air, Down Smash.

Instead of just spiking, wouldn't this be smarter option Versus characters that cannot be gimped. (MK, ZSS, Pikachu...)

D-smash also sends you horizontally so that might lead to some gimps on characters like Luigi. (Assuming we grab him at 27%)


Edit:

Here is the math.

Down Throw + Dair + Down Smash
9+13 +15 = 37%
(Added to the 36% from the Down Throws, that comes out to 73%)
(The Dair has to hit the bottom half of their body so that you get that stagger animation.)

Chain Grab + Spike
45 + 13 = 58%

Don't forget that the spike is techable

Marth can up B out of the first down throw at 0% if he DIs up and away before the Up B

So, we should just chain the gatling combo.

Dont try to CG Marth, he will upB you, its much safer to get one Dthrow then immediatly shield for when they upB so you can punish on landing.

Just out of curioustiy, how does the reverse boost pivot grab factor into Falco's CG? Does it extend it in anyay? Or is it simply a flashy mindgame? I play ROB, and it seems that my friend gets an extra grab when he uses the RBPG.

no you can cg marth if it's buffered...i'm almost definitely sure of this

CJTHeroofTime said:

Just out of curioustiy, how does the reverse boost pivot grab factor into Falco's CG? Does it extend it in anyay? Or is it simply a flashy mindgame? I play ROB, and it seems that my friend gets an extra grab when he uses the RBPG.

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It really just changes the direction, I believe.

What we have to do next is figure out the percents for when it's OK to BPG during the CG...

Standing CG's yo.

I'm pretty sure they can air dodge before you can do a fast falled Dair. Or if you just do a rising Dair, they can roll or dodge. If I'm wrong, show me the methods! Because fast falled Dair out of CG would lead to sexy stuff aside from Dsmash.

Can toon link escape if he DI's up and away with upB even if you buffer?

Same question for G&W


Editted all given information in, please keep updating.
Fill in blanks guys

KuroZero said:

Still awaiting reply from G&W boards lul.

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Oh okay.

So running or walking on TL? I'm assuming he has a falling speed similair to GW so I'm assuming walking for now.

Somehow my friend always breaks out of my chaingrab with upB, weird eh

Marth can footstool out of a BPG.

Zelda can be buffered chaingrabbed.

I'm pretty sure there are more characters that can avoid BPG than the normal chaingrab. When I tried it on Ness he always naired me, I guess you can only do the regular chaingrabs on him D:

Zelda dash or walk?
Olimar dash or walk?

You left Diddy out of the origional list (The colored one.)

You sure you can grab Yoshi that far? I always seem to Nair out of it around 30

GooseMainsDiddy said:

You left Diddy out of the origional list (The colored one.)

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I'll edit that now

KuroZero said:

There you have it.

I think Walking is more useful, but my opinion.

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Ah, yes, walking against GW

Depster said:

You sure you can grab Yoshi that far? I always seem to Nair out of it around 30

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I think so, I hope someone can test this.

Xonar said:

Zelda dash or walk?
Olimar dash or walk?

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Walk. Well I do all my cgs walking ( even the ones the OP says running, like Pika,except very few like Marth). I don't want to get sakuraied xD.

I had a question on a couple things. Can Sonic escape early with the spring? Even with walking or Running?

The other question is regarding Marth. Does Dthrow > Jab > Shield avoid the UpB 100% of the time? Might be a more effective method at CGing Marth past 18%. If that did work of course. You might avoid the UpB attack and can regrab them in the landing lag. If they don't they are close enough for you to regrab anyway because the jab would cancel the lag next to you.

Jab canceling is probably a bad idea vs Marth since he can UpB out of the jab combo when Falco does the spinning thingy. So he's probably going to start spamming UpB anyway. Do we at least have time to Jab Cancel > Shield?

Can Falco re-grab Jigglypuff with buffering? Also, should Falco's standing CG/CT on fast-fallers have a mention?

Y462 said:

Can Falco re-grab Jigglypuff with buffering? Also, should Falco's standing CG/CT on fast-fallers have a mention?

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Jiggs can't be regrabbed at all I don't think.