DIDDY KONG
DIFFICULTY: EVEN - 45:55
CHAINGRAB: YES (Normal CG Only, Watch For Bananas)
DIFFICULTY: EVEN - 45:55
CHAINGRAB: YES (Normal CG Only, Watch For Bananas)
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Matchup Thread Export: Diddy Kong
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o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
I can't think of anything against a Diddy. I flop against them.
Tekk
Smash Lord
What I always do against Diddy's is waiting him (shielding) to throw his bananas, and when he's dashing towards me, I grab him before he dash attacks or something.If you can predict he's going to grab you, just roll away and Ftilt.
I don't believe throwing diddy's bananas onstage is a good Idea since he can sooooo easily pick them up with a dash attack.To use bananas against him, just grab him, Bhrow him to the offstage, pick a banana up and **** his recovery with.
I don't believe throwing diddy's bananas onstage is a good Idea since he can sooooo easily pick them up with a dash attack.To use bananas against him, just grab him, Bhrow him to the offstage, pick a banana up and **** his recovery with.
Jupz
Smash Master
Diddy Kong will glide toss his banana's at you and follow with a dash attack or grab. A well time spotdodge covers both these options, but a better option is to Fullhop a Dair out of shield after shielding the banana. This takes out any of his options and if you move forward a little will pick up the banana. Fullhop Dair also picks up bananas lying on the ground. Practice his jump cancelled glide toss for a little extra distance. Camping with dairs above the ground works well in this matchup. If the bananas are ruining the chaingrab, throw them away with Bthrow or off the stage with Fthrow. Sometimes they act more cautious and glide toss a banana backwards while throwing it at you (they slide backwards but throw it forwards). Shield it and jump forward and Z-catch the banana. Once you have one, there are several things you could do including throw it behind you and hope the diddy tries to get it, fast fall a Nair after a Z-dropped banana->Utilt, or you can try and use them offensively with jump-cancelled glide tossing. Don't use many inhales as if you eat a banana theres a lot of lag. Waddle dees are great in this matchup to stop bananas.
Dedede ***** offstage, his bair beats all of diddys recoveries. Just try your best to predict what they will use. If the diddy is trying to recover straight up and is a fair way down and you are trying to recover, you can use UP+B and land on them as they are shooting up, causing them to get spiked and you will get knocked back up by the barrels. This is impractical usually though becuase Bair is a better option, though it could be used very situationally.
Good stages:
Delfino - Walk offs, infinites, low ceilings.
PS1 - similar reasons to above except the ceilings aren't as low.
Is halberd a good stage?
Bad Stages:
FD - too long
Pictochat?Smashville? I think these are bad because diddy controls the stage well with bananas.
Verdict: Hmm tough one, not really sure, I guess around 45:55 to Diddy Kong.
Dedede ***** offstage, his bair beats all of diddys recoveries. Just try your best to predict what they will use. If the diddy is trying to recover straight up and is a fair way down and you are trying to recover, you can use UP+B and land on them as they are shooting up, causing them to get spiked and you will get knocked back up by the barrels. This is impractical usually though becuase Bair is a better option, though it could be used very situationally.
Good stages:
Delfino - Walk offs, infinites, low ceilings.
PS1 - similar reasons to above except the ceilings aren't as low.
Is halberd a good stage?
Bad Stages:
FD - too long
Pictochat?Smashville? I think these are bad because diddy controls the stage well with bananas.
Verdict: Hmm tough one, not really sure, I guess around 45:55 to Diddy Kong.
Sigma1808
Smash Rookie
Great job
that much information, I'd never read, I hope to learn it
that much information, I'd never read, I hope to learn it
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
I love FD. Grabs take longer to get, initially, but once u get a grab, u should be able to take stock/give ALOT of %, doing d-throw at the edge, keeping him on the edge, and always making sure to punish his rolls on the stage/ledgehop airdodges on, anything that gets passed with another grab, to other side, and repeat.
if they try mixing up a long recovery ever, its free bairs to edgeguard.
FD limits his recovery options, where on smashville the platform comes to save him, and battlefield gives him safer places to land/avoid airchased grabs.
my two cents, with plenty more to come as i learn. I might put a vid up i have vs master raven's (lol) diddy, if you guys desire. It's not the best diddy, but it def. demonstrates the points im trying to get across.
if they try mixing up a long recovery ever, its free bairs to edgeguard.
FD limits his recovery options, where on smashville the platform comes to save him, and battlefield gives him safer places to land/avoid airchased grabs.
my two cents, with plenty more to come as i learn. I might put a vid up i have vs master raven's (lol) diddy, if you guys desire. It's not the best diddy, but it def. demonstrates the points im trying to get across.
Master Raven
Smash Master
I have a lol diddy alright
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
We haven't rediscussed this in forever so I'm letting it be the prime discussion.
AtotheZ
Smash Lord
If you get a stock lead chaingrab to suck up off the edge always
Countcocofang
Smash Cadet
Any Dededes working on the banana release footstool infinite? I hear its not that hard for dedede despite my inability to do it. Personally it seems like too much work, if i'm hitting diddy with a banana from above i might as well just get the free chaingrab out of it 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXPu-KR9qZk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXPu-KR9qZk
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Anybody with decent to excellent aerial mobility can do this infinite. Our aerial mobility is the slowest in the game. I don't think we can get down there far enough from footstooling in order to truely get a grab on Diddy Kong. But a good mindgame I suppose.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Beefy, what's your your AIM?
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
CommanderBeef65
I can't log on tonight though because of school work and stuff.
AtotheZ
Smash Lord
Every time I face a good diddy, I can hear him chanting "Can't touch this"
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
i found a way to single nanner lock diddy kong with ddd
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
CG'ing into a banana then repeat? Been there, it's situational...
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
no, like the one mk has, its inf...
Jupz
Smash Master
Is it just the same as Diddy kong's one? What aerial is used?
same goes for DDD :3. see u this sat.i found a way to single nanner lock diddy kong with ddd
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
no ariel is used actually, it does require to be started with a footstool
however, my threory is, if you chaingrab a diddy into a banana thats urs, you can start the sequence, depending on how close u are to the banana before u d-throw, my guess is closer is better.
but lets say u got a footstool while holding a banana, u footstool->d-throw banana(dont DI at all either way)->zcatch(imediately start di-ing toward Diddy, he should always fall forward, and turn around, so he'll be going back and forth)->footstool 2nd time->d-throw banana-> z-catch->fastfall the DI toward diddy->land next to->double jump into diddy, causing an initial footstool again, repeat.
i know it sounds like alot between banana throws, but i assure u, you have enouogh time to pull it off, if u do it right, and the diddy can't roll or get up yet.
all i want know are setups into it, and it could turn what i already thought was a good (55:45) matchup for ddd, into a possible amazing one (60-65:40-45, i think this is amazing considering its diddy...)
if requested, i'll try to add a clip of me doing this in the video im already working on.
however, my threory is, if you chaingrab a diddy into a banana thats urs, you can start the sequence, depending on how close u are to the banana before u d-throw, my guess is closer is better.
but lets say u got a footstool while holding a banana, u footstool->d-throw banana(dont DI at all either way)->zcatch(imediately start di-ing toward Diddy, he should always fall forward, and turn around, so he'll be going back and forth)->footstool 2nd time->d-throw banana-> z-catch->fastfall the DI toward diddy->land next to->double jump into diddy, causing an initial footstool again, repeat.
i know it sounds like alot between banana throws, but i assure u, you have enouogh time to pull it off, if u do it right, and the diddy can't roll or get up yet.
all i want know are setups into it, and it could turn what i already thought was a good (55:45) matchup for ddd, into a possible amazing one (60-65:40-45, i think this is amazing considering its diddy...)
if requested, i'll try to add a clip of me doing this in the video im already working on.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
And how would a wiichuck user be able to do this?
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
You should just switch to Gamecube controller while you're at it bro.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Lol no. I'll never switch back to Gamecube controller because I've gotten too far in with it to change back now.
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
well i dont even use Z to z-catch, i use x. its basically whatever button u use specifically for grab.
Jupz
Smash Master
I use X too lol. And I use X to pummel and to shield grab. I have Z as jump so I can upB OOS with MK with tap jump off.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
I don't recommend it. That's a free grab or smash.
Ol-Jeb
Smash Apprentice
I have that problem with the waddle dees. sometimes I accidently inhale them ._.
Royal Nynja
Smash Ace
D3 is one of my easier match ups, the fact his feet are so big makes it easy to banana game once you get in. auto pilot works perfectly against this character to me. Also when off stage i rarely get gimped or killed from bairs or fairs, diddy hump can be devastating against you and instantly turn a match around even without hump>foot stool...
Also since i excel in off stage game, getting CGd just saves me the effort of having to walk to the edge myself... in my opinion i think its 60-40.
Also since i excel in off stage game, getting CGd just saves me the effort of having to walk to the edge myself... in my opinion i think its 60-40.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
It's such a easy matchup for you because you live in Kansas. If there were any King Dededes there, they were swept up by tornadoes, and landed below you in Texas, swept off to the east, into Florida, and swept off to the west, into California.
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this is one of my favorite troll posts
they need to learn to DI incoming cold fronts then god****
Royal Nynja
Smash Ace
im sorry i didnt mean to troll by any means. im just saying its one of my easier match ups. Im okay at the game, nothing amazing. i dont think it is in d3s favor.
I wish we could di this cold, if you could CG this shiz outta here id give you 20 bucks
I wish we could di this cold, if you could CG this shiz outta here id give you 20 bucks
ADHD
Smash Hero
Seibrik fails this matchup is dead even 50:50. Anti knows how to do it. Diddy has the advantage in theory of both going at it head on, but DDD literally doesn't die until 160+ so that helps him get a minor boost making it closer.
Toneh
Smash Lord
snake vs d3 feels like 45:55 even tho its hard.
diddy vs d3 seems like its even to me bc of:
-diddy can fight d3 up close better than snake.
-can grab D3 better than snake bc of bananas and is less risky
-is harder to edgeguard than snake
-hits d3 in the air better (bananas thrown up like mortars + aerials), and stuff like bair breaking mortars but not nanas
-avoids the chaingrab better than snake
-bananas stop chain grabs way better than nades. D3s alot of the time can chaingrab right past grenades
D3 is still really good so i dont feel like its advantage
diddy vs d3 seems like its even to me bc of:
-diddy can fight d3 up close better than snake.
-can grab D3 better than snake bc of bananas and is less risky
-is harder to edgeguard than snake
-hits d3 in the air better (bananas thrown up like mortars + aerials), and stuff like bair breaking mortars but not nanas
-avoids the chaingrab better than snake
-bananas stop chain grabs way better than nades. D3s alot of the time can chaingrab right past grenades
D3 is still really good so i dont feel like its advantage