WARIO
DIFFICULTY: EVEN - 50:50*
CHAINGRAB: YES (Normal CG and Ledge Infinite)
*VERY stage dependent.
DIFFICULTY: EVEN - 50:50*
CHAINGRAB: YES (Normal CG and Ledge Infinite)
*VERY stage dependent.
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Matchup Thread Export: Wario
- Thread starter Gates
- Start date
AtotheZ
Smash Lord
wario is definitely hard to play. stay near the ground and short hop bair a lot and get a grab.
I'm pretty sure he can punish you harder for dair camping than other characters due to insane aerials and ability to pull them off.
A lot of warios also just bite and aircamp alot which wrecks dedede, and wait for the fart to charge for a free kill. Also he ***** your up b. When he is recovering expect him to go high right away, just like snake.
As far as I have experience, his bite beats our suck up unless the suck up is coming from the top i think or is from behind.
I would definitely ban norfair or battlefield, and try to go to FD or Smashville for your neutral, and counterpick with FD or Castle siege if you can get a grab.
EDIT: Also as far as sheilding goes, wario can punish you hard with bite and since dedede is so big he can dair ff upair to eat your sheild like nobodies business
And feel free to add anything
Hope these random tid bits helped
I'm pretty sure he can punish you harder for dair camping than other characters due to insane aerials and ability to pull them off.
A lot of warios also just bite and aircamp alot which wrecks dedede, and wait for the fart to charge for a free kill. Also he ***** your up b. When he is recovering expect him to go high right away, just like snake.
As far as I have experience, his bite beats our suck up unless the suck up is coming from the top i think or is from behind.
I would definitely ban norfair or battlefield, and try to go to FD or Smashville for your neutral, and counterpick with FD or Castle siege if you can get a grab.
EDIT: Also as far as sheilding goes, wario can punish you hard with bite and since dedede is so big he can dair ff upair to eat your sheild like nobodies business
And feel free to add anything
Hope these random tid bits helped
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
This matchup is so ****ing easy to me.
CG THE (short) FATASS!!!!! If he air camps, throw waddles. If he Chomps, poke his ***. If he recovers with bike, and has used his second jump, grab him. If his legs are dangling, dthrow and IMMEDIATELY or timely edgehog him. I ****ing patenting that gimp. I've done it so ****ing much.
CG THE (short) FATASS!!!!! If he air camps, throw waddles. If he Chomps, poke his ***. If he recovers with bike, and has used his second jump, grab him. If his legs are dangling, dthrow and IMMEDIATELY or timely edgehog him. I ****ing patenting that gimp. I've done it so ****ing much.
AtotheZ
Smash Lord
I haven't faced many warios, but gates got ***** by omni lol.
Gee thanks for telling everyone that A to Z. <.< Didn't I place higher than you? Yeah I thought so.
But yeah, basically as long as Dedede is on the ground Wario can get a free bit off him. Omni did this to me ALL THE TIME in our match. It was total ****. The fact that he was yelling **** the whole time didn't help.
But yeah, basically as long as Dedede is on the ground Wario can get a free bit off him. Omni did this to me ALL THE TIME in our match. It was total ****. The fact that he was yelling **** the whole time didn't help.
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<3 AtotheZ
<3 AtotheZ
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Haha. Do you mean Omniswell? BEcause if you do, you should know that him and Shugo shared a muffin =3
T3h Albino
Smash Master
OHMYGOSH SHUGOOOO IM LIEK HIS BIGGEST FAN OHMYGOSH SHUGO!!!!!!!!!
caps ;B
caps ;B
AtotheZ
Smash Lord
That is actually the best strat against wario as far as I'm concered. and I got a money match with omni haha. Lets try it.
T3h Albino
Smash Master
thats why im his biggest fan gates =P
Death Arcana
Rum is for Drinking
can someone tell what the ledge infinite is cause the thread says that you can ledge infinite him. and how to do it
Jupz
Smash Master
You can ledge infinite wario with grab releases if you grab him out of his second jump.
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
He cant mash out and bike back up.
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
Just spam back air... def. at least 65:35 in ddd's favor btw....
-has yet to lose to a wario, or get down to last stock with ddd...-
-has yet to lose to a wario, or get down to last stock with ddd...-
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Fixed. On norfair, he can outcamp us and time us out. >.>
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
NORFAIR IS BANNED.
Seriously, you don't have to worry about it. That other samus stage with the yellow lava is what you have to worry about now, but just ban it before the match starts.
Seriously, you don't have to worry about it. That other samus stage with the yellow lava is what you have to worry about now, but just ban it before the match starts.
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
so in otherwords, win round one, on neutrals, ban norfair, and its suddenly in ur favor almost perminantly?
and thats IF norfair is allowed, which in most cases its dwindling.
PS. shouldn't matchups be measured on neutrals anyway, where stages dont affect it?
and thats IF norfair is allowed, which in most cases its dwindling.
PS. shouldn't matchups be measured on neutrals anyway, where stages dont affect it?
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
That's a good question. Personally, I think it should have more to do with winning the entire set, which already largely favors neutrals, but in winners finals, can make a difference. Like, an IC against a MK in winners. IC wins on Smashville first match. FD was already ban mind you. MK then planks and beats ICs on Battlefield. There you go, the most accepted and universal neutrals gone. ICs are now at an extreme disadvantage. Or at least that's how it use to be. The matchup has and is changing a lot. Its considered even, and now that hylan has found a setup into grabs, its likely going to go more in favor of ICs. This was just the most obvious example I could think of, though its out of date.
Of course, that's for Gates to decide. He's the matchup man.
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
Any matchups that need changing in the Grand guide I'll change for you Gates.
Is Wario the only one?
Is Wario the only one?
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Just throwing this out there.
Since people say the matchup of King Dedede and Wario is "stage dependent", as when its our counterpick, it's 60:40 King Dedede, 50:50 when on a neutral, and 40:60 Wario while on his counterpick, the matchup is still considered Even if you look at the numbers and each character's advantage on their counterpicks.
Since people say the matchup of King Dedede and Wario is "stage dependent", as when its our counterpick, it's 60:40 King Dedede, 50:50 when on a neutral, and 40:60 Wario while on his counterpick, the matchup is still considered Even if you look at the numbers and each character's advantage on their counterpicks.
Sensei Seibrik
Smash Hero
thing is its 65:35 imo on neutral...
CO18
Smash Hero
Yeah spam sh bairs and just react to what he does and its 6:4 for DDD IMO.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
seibrik and CO18...i know your both mad legit...like MAD legit...so i know you guys know your stuff.
but uh...what warios do you guys practice on? atlantic south has not a single good wario to speak of >.> reflex used to be it but he hasnt played wario in awhile
i know you guys travel so...who are the warios you guys have beaten with sh bair spam? i dont think the matchup is that easy >.>
but uh...what warios do you guys practice on? atlantic south has not a single good wario to speak of >.> reflex used to be it but he hasnt played wario in awhile
i know you guys travel so...who are the warios you guys have beaten with sh bair spam? i dont think the matchup is that easy >.>
CO18
Smash Hero
Umm 1. I didnt use this tactic until like a month ago lol. When Afro mained wario he usually beat me(then again I was much worse then) and seibirk would 2 stock him often just spamming sh bair.
Ive played lots of warios reflex(who I beat without doing it), Fiction whom I barely lost to without doing it.
My teams partner mains wario whom used to get me to 1 stock mid% most matches where as now he RARELY ever gets me to last stock.
Wario has almost no approach and you can react to everything he can do which often includes getting easy grabs since everything they try to do will become super predictable. He cant dacus, he cant bite, he cant dair, he can fair which clashes but he takes much more percent then if he tries to run and shield grab you can easily grab him first which = 40%/death if hes at like 80%+ when you grab him.
Warios only chance is to get a lead and really camp hard. Seibrik is right.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
LoL Stingers...
How should you know this about Wario? Last time I remember.. you're a R.O.B. main who posts millions in the R.O.B. boards.
Jupz
Smash Master
The only trouble I have with wario is his bite. But I've never tried just SHbair spamming, that should help.
And yeah crashic wario ***** on brinstar.
But I've never tried just SHbair spamming, that should help.And yeah crashic wario ***** on brinstar.
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Yes if you predict the shorthop bite correctly, always do a shorthop back air. His mouth, sadly, outprioritizes ours.
I always switch to Donkey Kong if a Wario takes me to Brinstar. Haha.
I always switch to Donkey Kong if a Wario takes me to Brinstar. Haha.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
DDD is like my 3rd @.@
Ling Ling
Smash Apprentice
Well, this is the first productive post I make here since I don’t log in as often (here on Smash boards) because Puerto Rico has it’s own Smash Page (smashpr). But from here on out I’ll try to help in what I can because I believe that D3 is a Character with a lot of potential; most of which has not been used to it’s fullest.
But before that I’d like a quick introduction. My Smash Name is Ling Ling.. I piked it because I’m a HUGE fan of the Comedy Central Series, Drawn Together. Obviously, he was my favorite character J. I’m the top PR D3 and my first international Tournament was DBR Genesis.
Now back on Track: Wario Vs. D3
To me, D3 vs. Wario is even. Good Warios will not themselves get grabbed easily as people think. They play too Campy; hit and run. If the Wario player is Smart and is observant enough, he could capitalize and move in on any mistake, bad spacing, successful trap, ect; and do atleast 45%+ If D3 is at 0%. Even if D3 is at higher %’s, an Up Air could do serious damage, or a waft could kill (even D3) extremely early (if D3 is near the blast zones and the Waft makes him fly towards them).
If D3 Spams Bair, Wario could wait for it’s hit box to disappear and poke with his Fair/Dair immediately after it does. Same situation with D3 spamming Fair. Mixing up between Bair and Fair might be effective, but you might still leave patterns behind.
The best way to beat a Wario is Baiting him doing what you want then outsmarting him. You can’t just spam moves; you have to know when to use them. Otherwise you’ll get too obvious and Wario will use it in his favor; unless you’re doing it for mind games
But before that I’d like a quick introduction. My Smash Name is Ling Ling.. I piked it because I’m a HUGE fan of the Comedy Central Series, Drawn Together. Obviously, he was my favorite character J. I’m the top PR D3 and my first international Tournament was DBR Genesis.
Now back on Track: Wario Vs. D3
To me, D3 vs. Wario is even. Good Warios will not themselves get grabbed easily as people think. They play too Campy; hit and run. If the Wario player is Smart and is observant enough, he could capitalize and move in on any mistake, bad spacing, successful trap, ect; and do atleast 45%+ If D3 is at 0%. Even if D3 is at higher %’s, an Up Air could do serious damage, or a waft could kill (even D3) extremely early (if D3 is near the blast zones and the Waft makes him fly towards them).
If D3 Spams Bair, Wario could wait for it’s hit box to disappear and poke with his Fair/Dair immediately after it does. Same situation with D3 spamming Fair. Mixing up between Bair and Fair might be effective, but you might still leave patterns behind.
The best way to beat a Wario is Baiting him doing what you want then outsmarting him. You can’t just spam moves; you have to know when to use them. Otherwise you’ll get too obvious and Wario will use it in his favor; unless you’re doing it for mind games
T3h Albino
Smash Master
OH **** LING LING WITH THE POST
;p
;p
o-Serin-o
I think 56 nights crazy
Lawl. I know right?
Commander_Beef
Smash Champion
Such a great accomplishment!!!
CO18
Smash Hero
This is only true if you full hop bair. Wario cant poke you after sh bairs because you can shield before he does so and react to whatever he does and if anything hell just trade hits with your bair and you do way more damage.Well, this is the first productive post I make here since I don’t log in as often (here on Smash boards) because Puerto Rico has it’s own Smash Page (smashpr). But from here on out I’ll try to help in what I can because I believe that D3 is a Character with a lot of potential; most of which has not been used to it’s fullest.
But before that I’d like a quick introduction. My Smash Name is Ling Ling.. I piked it because I’m a HUGE fan of the Comedy Central Series, Drawn Together. Obviously, he was my favorite character J. I’m the top PR D3 and my first international Tournament was DBR Genesis.
Now back on Track: Wario Vs. D3
To me, D3 vs. Wario is even. Good Warios will not themselves get grabbed easily as people think. They play too Campy; hit and run. If the Wario player is Smart and is observant enough, he could capitalize and move in on any mistake, bad spacing, successful trap, ect; and do atleast 45%+ If D3 is at 0%. Even if D3 is at higher %’s, an Up Air could do serious damage, or a waft could kill (even D3) extremely early (if D3 is near the blast zones and the Waft makes him fly towards them).
If D3 Spams Bair, Wario could wait for it’s hit box to disappear and poke with his Fair/Dair immediately after it does. Same situation with D3 spamming Fair. Mixing up between Bair and Fair might be effective, but you might still leave patterns behind.
The best way to beat a Wario is Baiting him doing what you want then outsmarting him. You can’t just spam moves; you have to know when to use them. Otherwise you’ll get too obvious and Wario will use it in his favor; unless you’re doing it for mind games
Ling Ling
Smash Apprentice
If D3 SH's Bair, A Full Hoped Dair from Wario can beat it. Since Wario is in the air most of the time, in most situations, all he needs to do is jump again and Dair. W's Dair > D3's SHBair > W's Fair > D3's FHBair> W's Dair. This is the Rock/Paper/Scissors principle in fighting games. It's a Perfect example. The more observant/fast reactions/unpredictable/inteligent/ player will win the fight.
In Other words; if the Wario is Pattient enough and DOES N O T try to 0 to death D3, the match up is even. I'd imagine playing like DMG. I'm not implying that you shouldn't capitalize on mistakes, on the contrary. That's what you should be Aiming for.
And it's also cruicial that the Wario mixes up his approaches, spacings, punishing moves, ect. Unpredictability is the upper hand in this match up as well.
And I'm speaking in the match up aspect, not the entire specific match up down to every detail so to speak.
CO18
Smash Hero
Except d3 can EASILY React to that if hes short hopping that doesnt work at all, I literally play a wario basically everytime I play smash since my teams partner is one. D3 can easily react and just shield or up tilt or pivot grab or w/e . And if he predicts the wario double jumping ahead of time quickly do a full hop bair to intercept him.
Jupz
Smash Master
I played a wario few days ago in tourney who was probably a little better then me, the spam SH bair tactic works great 
smasher01
Smash Ace
do i have to walk forward alittle to up tilt wario out of the grab release?
and for them to pop up in the air i dont hit them in the grab ,
what can the wario do to counter that and not get air released?
and for them to pop up in the air i dont hit them in the grab ,
what can the wario do to counter that and not get air released?
Up Smash is Better. You don't have to walk, just release and Up Smash.
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