lordhelmet
Smash Master
Maybe shield the first fair and punish the second?
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
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Captain Falcon's Match-Up Database! | (General Discussion); UPDATED: April 18th, 2010
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BigLord
Smash Lord
Wouldn't work. Too **** fast.
no biglord
it's not hard to do at all
it's just marths that SH double fair when the first one hits a shield, are dumb. It's unsafe on block, and your best option after that is to jump backwards and wall yourself again with fair while retreating back to the ground
shff single fair is MUCH safe and you can follow up with a dtilt that ****s up shields and any other things they try
it's not hard to do at all
it's just marths that SH double fair when the first one hits a shield, are dumb. It's unsafe on block, and your best option after that is to jump backwards and wall yourself again with fair while retreating back to the ground
shff single fair is MUCH safe and you can follow up with a dtilt that ****s up shields and any other things they try
lordhelmet
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Vs Marth depends on who you're playing...if they're an average player, you stand a good chance of messing them up because Marth is not for scrub players.
If they play smart, know how to mix up spacing and pokes, and react to approaches intelligently, you're in for an uphill battle.
As for DB, learn to SDI that. It just helps a lot in this matchup.
Otherwise yeah, all you can do is fish for powershield opportunities.
If they play smart, know how to mix up spacing and pokes, and react to approaches intelligently, you're in for an uphill battle.
As for DB, learn to SDI that. It just helps a lot in this matchup.
Otherwise yeah, all you can do is fish for powershield opportunities.
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Vs marth you cant really stay grounded all that much because falcon has trouble punishing marths single fairs, ff nairs and he gets semi-wrecked by dancing blade. If you can try to bait like a full hop aerial and you fast fall air dodge to get down fast you could potentially start a juggle, and instead of letting him do his zoning you are the one forcing him to make a move.
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BigLord
Smash Lord
burnstocks might have something there. Baiting and punishing should be the most smart tactics when dealing with a good marth player.
... I think. This is just hypothetic, I've never played a good marth.
... I think. This is just hypothetic, I've never played a good marth.
†Slader7†
Smash Ace
Falcon vs Marth?
don't get hit
I have nothing much besides punishing UpB and be weary of shield spamming because Marth's shield breaker will **** you
don't get hit
I have nothing much besides punishing UpB and be weary of shield spamming because Marth's shield breaker will **** you
lordhelmet
Smash Master
You can actually shield his up-B and punish it with a Falcon Dive every time.
BigLord
Smash Lord
Or a falcon punch/f-smash, if you get lucky, me thinks.
Yeah but the problem is a good Marth will only use DS to break your follow up/counter attack attempts.
bigbucks
Smash Journeyman
I have played some marths.
heres my 2 cents.
We cannot do anything to spaced double hopped fairs, there annoying as ****. You must powershield or you'r gonnna get *****, when you for a dthrow,etc never go out an follow up. Or you will get marth Fair/etc tipper. just wait an see what he does.
Marth's range an disjointedness can be as annoying as mk's when done right, only difference is that mk has a better time punishing, only slightly though.
You must really be patient in this match.
75-25 marth.
Any objections?
heres my 2 cents.
We cannot do anything to spaced double hopped fairs, there annoying as ****. You must powershield or you'r gonnna get *****, when you for a dthrow,etc never go out an follow up. Or you will get marth Fair/etc tipper. just wait an see what he does.
Marth's range an disjointedness can be as annoying as mk's when done right, only difference is that mk has a better time punishing, only slightly though.
You must really be patient in this match.
75-25 marth.
Any objections?
lordhelmet
Smash Master
I really don't this MU is 25-75 lool. Just learn how to space and play defensive.
Most of you guys are probably going agro on Marths and that's why you this this match-up is so bad. Stay defensive, use fthrow instead of dthrow, and SDI his DS.
Most of you guys are probably going agro on Marths and that's why you this this match-up is so bad. Stay defensive, use fthrow instead of dthrow, and SDI his DS.
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Same thing, P3 =_=
Yeah raptor boost > SH double Fair
And raptor boost > SH falling Fair
But good Marthas don't use that, so basically what lord said : play hyper defensive, don't ever EVER try to follow up or counter attack if he's not in some kind of lag.
One of Marth's great strenght is the ability to follow anything into anything to create a huge wall of disjointed attacks, but that ain't MK so you can get through it given you know very well the ending/landing lag of Marth's attacks.
Like don't try to punish a landed Nair or Uair (or Fair), nor the first hit of DB.
Also Falcon's jab is faster than anything Marth has (except DS).
And raptor boost > SH falling Fair
But good Marthas don't use that, so basically what lord said : play hyper defensive, don't ever EVER try to follow up or counter attack if he's not in some kind of lag.
One of Marth's great strenght is the ability to follow anything into anything to create a huge wall of disjointed attacks, but that ain't MK so you can get through it given you know very well the ending/landing lag of Marth's attacks.
Like don't try to punish a landed Nair or Uair (or Fair), nor the first hit of DB.
Also Falcon's jab is faster than anything Marth has (except DS).
Darxmarth23
Smash Champion
good for you
we agree
now i say that the MU is worse than 75-25
its more like 80-20 just because of the fact that marth is simply big *** walking ball of priority. just like MK
Do what you do to get into his bad zones but he's gonna push you back out fast and hard.
No please, Marth is nowhere near 20-80.
I mean, ok Marth is annoying and has a better moveset than Falcon, but his Dair sucks balls and that exposes him to Falcon's Uair.
If anything I'd say 35-65
I mean, ok Marth is annoying and has a better moveset than Falcon, but his Dair sucks balls and that exposes him to Falcon's Uair.
If anything I'd say 35-65
lordhelmet
Smash Master
I still say 36-65 as well.
We beat Marth up close and do alright in the air. He obviously ***** us spacing wise, but c'mon he's really not that hard. We don't even have to approach him, I don't think a Martha will hesitate to approach us anyway.
Walk up to him and shield his fair, that's your approach.
We beat Marth up close and do alright in the air. He obviously ***** us spacing wise, but c'mon he's really not that hard. We don't even have to approach him, I don't think a Martha will hesitate to approach us anyway.
Walk up to him and shield his fair, that's your approach.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
P3 let's play on Wi-Fail later
lordhelmet
Smash Master
CF suffers from the same things on Wi-Fi >__>
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Yes. Yes it is.
bigbucks
Smash Journeyman
Is it bad that i can powershield consistently on wifi? : o
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Yes. I can do it, too :'(
and how do you plan on getting marth above you?
marth has better attack speed, power, range, recovery, and spacing game. why are people saying falcon has even a remote chance in this match, he has a hard time even hitting him.
Blacknight99923
Smash Champion
I am starting to think the real reason Falcon doesn't win is becasue he has stupid mainers bar Soveriegn who i know. Falcon marth is terrible for CF or have you played a marth off wifi since they game came out.
It mine as well be 100-0 because you won't win a tournament set against marth with falcon bar gay stages.
Ever
It mine as well be 100-0 because you won't win a tournament set against marth with falcon bar gay stages.
Ever
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Maybe uthrow to get him above us? So what, Marth is better in all those categories, but so is DK and that's only 40-60.
yeah thats exactly why he doesnt win blacknight
stupid to compare a match up to another character.
how can you reliably get inside marths sword to grab him? literally all falcon has in this match is attempting to juggle marth, and since falcon has no reliable way to stop marths aggro game falcon can't do that.
lordhelmet
Smash Master
Play defensively.
Yes, getting close to Marth is tough. But once you do that it's not hard to rack damage on him. Jab>>jab>grab>uthrow (or fthrow).
I'm not too good at explaining or convincing so I'll wait for Darky to get on
how can you convince against marth has a ****ing sword?
Marth COMPLETELY out zones falcon. falcon can't fight against fair dtilt and jab unless marth makes a mistake. if you need marth to make a MISTAKE to start racking up damage then your character is clearly out matched... completely.
Marth COMPLETELY out zones falcon. falcon can't fight against fair dtilt and jab unless marth makes a mistake. if you need marth to make a MISTAKE to start racking up damage then your character is clearly out matched... completely.
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