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ADHD · Oct 27, 2010

THE RULES CLEARLY STATE THAT: "No players may engage in 'intentional Forfeiting or conspiring to manipulate Rankings or Brackets,' with one of the possible penalties for such a violation being a competition ban."

Yet no such rule was broken by either me, or mew2king.

While I did offer to give him 300 dollars as a token as friendship because he had previously split with me when I was 2nd/3rd numerous tournaments in the past, it was not an intentional forfeit, rofl.

When I entered the ring (or stage if you must), Jason informed me that he was not playing well and he did not care of the result of the match. I said: "Alright, fine, let's just play it out."

So we did, and afterwards he asked me if I could split with him. I responded by saying "I'll give you 200-300 dollars, is that alright? I don't want a full split." Jason nodded and confirmed this was acceptable in agreement.

If the MLG staff prefers to respond with such a major punishment based on nothing but a silly game of telephone and rumors, so be it.

BUT PLEASE, DO NOT RELINQUISH WHAT I FULLY EARNED AT MLG DC. DO NOT TAKE AWAY THE 2,500, THAT'S ALL I ASK OF YOU. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

Also, if the 300 dollars is the reason why we are both being banned, I do not have the money at the moment. I can easily keep it all, as I'm sure Jason would still be content and agree with this decision.

Albert. · Oct 27, 2010

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Linkshot · Oct 27, 2010

BUT THE FUTURE REFUSED TO CHANGE

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Honestly, I hope MLG doesn't cap at Dallas so they can start hosting a real game again.
Like Smash 64.

Staco · Oct 27, 2010

Wyatt, if it really was like that, just explain to them, that you never did some agreements on the match and played it out properly and you gave him the money afterwards, because he has given you money some time ago.

iRJi · Oct 27, 2010

Lol, Fair enough. I don't even know why people wold think Jason out of all people would forfeit. I already know what happened, and the ban is actually BS.

Nidtendofreak · Oct 27, 2010

So, is this a typical "I got caught so I'm trying to change the story to save face" topic?

Looks a lot that way to me. Should be entertaining though. At least Dallas will be more exciting now...

z00ted · Oct 27, 2010

i dont think my body can handle the 49 pages soon to come.

Good reason though, I don't see why they wouldn't lift the ban.

SnackAttack · Oct 27, 2010

Wait, so, they've threatened to NOT pay you?

If they don't do that, then oh boy...

Nidtendofreak · Oct 27, 2010

MLG shouldn't pay them.

Cheating is cheating. If you can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you weren't cheating, you don't get paid. It's that simple really. Hence why if you're going to cheat, you better make sure you won't get caught.

KunaiX · Oct 27, 2010

Thanks, when MLG remove Brawl now >_<

So Fatal · Oct 27, 2010

>__________>

ADHD · Oct 27, 2010

Nidtendofreak said:
So, is this a typical "I got caught so I'm trying to change the story to save face" topic?

Looks a lot that way to me. Should be entertaining though. At least Dallas will be more exciting now...

I did no such thing, must you be a jerk? Do I look like a pathetic player that offers money to others to excel in the bracket?

Nidtendofreak · Oct 27, 2010

Right. Just like what every other cheater says when facing the very real possibility of losing money.

"But I didn't do anything!" Until proof is brought up of otherwise, and then it's "Alright, so I did, but only a little!" or "It didn't hurt anyone else!" or "Oh, I didn't know you couldn't do that because the rule was worded slightly differently!"

MLG isn't your local smashfest. There are different rules, with very real consequences behind breaking them in any possible way. Should have thought things through before splitting and/or rigging. Any additional punishment brought down due to this is justified: by going to their tournaments you agreed to play by their rules.

SnackAttack · Oct 27, 2010

Nidtendofreak said:
MLG shouldn't pay them.

Cheating is cheating. If you can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you weren't cheating, you don't get paid. It's that simple really. Hence why if you're going to cheat, you better make sure you won't get caught.

He won D.C and therefore should get paid the prize money.

Dark 3nergy · Oct 27, 2010

this should be locked and you should seriously take this to pm

alot of money is at stake here as well as both your reputations

Cherry64 · Oct 27, 2010

*subscribed for the shinanigans that Ensue*

ADHD · Oct 27, 2010

Nidtendofreak said:
Right. Just like what every other cheater says when facing the very real possibility of losing money.

"But I didn't do anything!" Until proof is brought up of otherwise, and then it's "Alright, so I did, but only a little!" or "It didn't hurt anyone else!" or "Oh, I didn't know you couldn't do that because the rule was worded slightly differently!"

MLG isn't your local smashfest. There are different rules, with very real consequences behind breaking them in any possible way. Should have thought things through before splitting and/or rigging. Any additional punishment brought down due to this is justified: by going to their tournaments you agreed to play by their rules.

You don't know me personally, and yet you're attacking me.

The reason for our ban was an official rule that was seemingly "broken," but that obviously wasn't the case. MLG is corporate, and their rules are set in stone and established which warrants a ban. We didn't dance around the rules, nor did we commit to defying them.

Staco · Oct 27, 2010

I don´t understand why M2K and ADHD shouldnt have played it out.
If they really made a deal, losing for money, then they should be banned of course.
But if ADHD gave M2K money afterwards, because they have splitted their money a lot of times before, there is no bad thing about it.
They can give their money to whoever they want, if they don´t forfeit matches for doing so.

Nidtendofreak · Oct 27, 2010

SnackAttack said:
He won D.C and therefore should get paid the prize money.

If he won by cheating, he doesn't get the money, or his victory.

Heck, even the Olympics aren't afraid to take back gold metals if somebody cheats. Taking away his 1st place and money would be perfectly reasonable in addition to not being allowed at Dallas, depending on exactly which rules were broken, and how they were broken.

EDIT: ADHD, they said you guys broke the rules. Excuse me if a believe a company that has been running tournaments for years over one of the players being accused of cheating. You don't think something like this has happened before?

g-regulate · Oct 27, 2010

i think you guys are missing the point. ADHD is ADMITTING to splitting in the past, and admitting to paying another competitor hundreds of dollars. whether it's cheating or not, I'm sure MLG has a no-tolerance policy for any kind of splitting/sharing in any way, so exclaiming how you've done it multiple times is only digging a deeper hole.

in other words, you should've just kept it secret... if you REALLY wanted to split, just do it after the tournament after you both get money, and then none of this would be happning.

ADHD · Oct 27, 2010

g-regulate said:
i think you guys are missing the point. ADHD is ADMITTING to splitting in the past, and admitting to paying another competitor hundreds of dollars. I'm sure MLG has a no-tolerance policy for any kind of splitting/sharing in any way, so exclaiming how you've done it multiple times is only digging a deeper hole.

in other words, you should've just kept it secret... if you REALLY wanted to split, just do it after the tournament after you both get money, and then none of this would be happning.

Yes, I could have entirely left the splitting out. Yet, I didn't. I'm not a liar. When ksizzle informed me I was banned from the next circuit, I immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was for splitting itself, but then I learned it wasn't. If splitting is prohibited, then THAT should be listed on their website as the reason we are removed from the Top 16.

Angel.M <3 C: · Oct 27, 2010

Nidtendofreak said:
If he won by cheating, he doesn't get the money, or his victory.

Heck, even the Olympics aren't afraid to take back gold metals if somebody cheats. Taking away his 1st place and money would be perfectly reasonable in addition to not being allowed at Dallas, depending on exactly which rules were broken, and how they were broken.

EDIT: ADHD, they said you guys broke the rules. Excuse me if a believe a company that has been running tournaments for years over one of the players being accused of cheating. You don't think something like this has happened before?

you need to shut up because you have no idea what you're talking about.

Nidtendofreak · Oct 27, 2010

Yes I do. The reason I'm not digging deeper into both of them about this is because I'm waiting for additional information. If MLG drops the charges I'll apologize accordingly. Until then: they cheated, and deserved to be punished accordingly. This is life, that's what happens in life. The people saying otherwise are simply silly.

iRJi · Oct 27, 2010

Ok, first off.

To my knowledge, they can't revoke your winnings. Having them do so actually may involve a lawsuit, as they are not allowed to illicit money and then take it away after.

2) To the guy who is calling people cheaters, please don't comment with you do NOT know the situation, or rather, even then people involved in the situation. It makes you look a bit foolish, and silly.

Pierce7d · Oct 27, 2010

Niddo, you have no idea what you're talking about. Were you even there? I was there.

SnackAttack · Oct 27, 2010

IN OTHER NEWS

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s09e05-the-losing-edge

g-regulate · Oct 27, 2010

I would think MLG would consider splitting and paying other players as some kind of "match manipulation" in a way... albeit not clearly stated in the rules.

This happened in melee when i think Chu and Ken were in finals, and they had an agreement to split, and went like gameandwatch vs ganon, and various other silly matchups in the finals. MLG did NOT like this at all, but neither of them got banned.

So Fatal · Oct 27, 2010

Pierce7d said:
Niddo, you have no idea what you're talking about. Were you even there? I was there.

be careful on getting so involved pierce, remember your employed by them.

Pierce7d · Oct 27, 2010

Which is why I'm seeking the correct channels protest this allegation. Clearly, public protest is not the way to go, but in the time being I will support ADHD because he is my personal friend. Additionally, I enjoy a more informed public, and hence I am laying the details out on the table.

I have yet to either speak against MLG as a corporation, nor any of it's administrators or employees, and I will acknowledge and accept their decision either way, even if I think it's a bad one. That doesn't mean I'm just going to say nothing while I watch ADHD potentially get ****** out of money at yet another national tourney.

ADHD · Oct 27, 2010

Let me get something straight, Niddo. I don't play for money.

Money isn't my motive to continue in brawl.. as I have every penny I've won off this game stored in my bank account. Don't believe me? I can prove it. I PLAY TO BE THE BEST AND FOR THE COMPETITION. Demanding forfeiting is so out of my character!

rathy Aro · Oct 27, 2010

Lets be realistic guys, ADHD gets ***** by M2K every time they play! Its only natural that ADHD offer some money to get past such an insurmountable opponent. Imagine what M2K would have done to ADHD if he was trying. Probably something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iakFciE-RVY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqA0adrFepc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Qu1CbZfCE

They should both be punished for altering the bracket and hopefully Wyatt learns that he can't just buy his way out of match he knows he can't win.

AlphaZealot · Oct 27, 2010

i think you guys are missing the point. ADHD is ADMITTING to splitting in the past, and admitting to paying another competitor hundreds of dollars. whether it's cheating or not, I'm sure MLG has a no-tolerance policy for any kind of splitting/sharing in any way, so exclaiming how you've done it multiple times is only digging a deeper hole.

Greg is amazing.

ADHD · Oct 27, 2010

rathy Aro said:
They should both be punished for altering the bracket and hopefully Wyatt learns that he can't just buy his way out of match he knows he can't win.

--nevermind lol--

AZ informed me he sent my story to the MLG ladder ref, or something like that via pm's.

*crosses fingers*

Ripple · Oct 27, 2010

this is why you NEVER give someone money while still at the venue in front of EVERYONE

Nidtendofreak · Oct 27, 2010

Pierce7d said:
Niddo, you have no idea what you're talking about. Were you even there? I was there.

I know how the world works. Companies are, the vast majority of the time, careful to make sure to have proof before accusing people of things. It's bad for business if they cry wolf.

I also know how cheaters work. They all use very similar arguments.

Lastly, I know you're friends with ADHD. I can appreciate the fact you're going to stick up for him. However: as it currently stands the argument is in MLG's favor.

@ADHD: You play to win then. To win, you need to get past people like M2K. There are more then one possible reasons to wish to cheat in some remote way to win. *shrugs* It doesn't have to be for money. You did give the money to him after all, and not the other way around. Again, currently the argument is in MLG's favor. If it proves to be wrong, I'll apologize to you. But the idea of people claiming you shouldn't be punished, even if it does prove to be true (either accidentally or intentionally cheating/rigging/w/e), is just stupid.

Xyro77 · Oct 27, 2010

http://www.mlgpro.com/pro-circuit/2010/?url=washington-dc/conduct-rules

10. No intentional Forfeiting or conspiring to manipulate Rankings or Brackets.

rule 10 was broke on multiple levels. Its time to pay the piper

iRJi · Oct 27, 2010

AlphaZealot said:
Greg is amazing.

Sure, but is in money perspective. By right, if ADHD or M2k receives money, they are given the right to split it how they want simply because it is his money. Offering to split money between 3rd and first has no actual way of skewing seeding. I am willing to bet that he did not intentionally throw the match as well, which is the actual reason why this is all nonsense.

Xyro77 · Oct 27, 2010

m2k threw matches before(apex 1 GFs) and he did it again at DC

ADHD · Oct 27, 2010

Xyro77 said:
http://www.mlgpro.com/pro-circuit/2010/?url=washington-dc/conduct-rules

10. No intentional Forfeiting or conspiring to manipulate Rankings or Brackets.

rule 10 was broke on multiple levels. Its time to pay the piper

Inform me on how we broke this rule, please.

Ripple · Oct 27, 2010

so what I'm getting is that m2k asked for a split AFTER losing to you. and you just said " I'll give you $300"?

I know friendship can mean a lot to people but I'm not just going to up and give a friendly competitor $300

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