How many characters will be in Smash4

volbound1700 · Jul 1, 2012

Do we even have an idea of the size of the roster. I am worried that Smash will be a rush project to get out quick to boost sales of the Wii U and therefore may not have the expansion we all want. Sure, there will be new characters and even new third parties at least from Namco but will there be an ambitious roster for this series? Remember all the time that was afforded to Sakurai for Brawl and we didn't get near the results we wanted from the game.

gothrax · Jul 1, 2012

I think its safe to assume 5 columns. I'm not sure how many rows though?

fogbadge · Jul 1, 2012

my guess would be some where between 40 - 50

The Real Gamer · Jul 1, 2012

Brawl had 35 so I'm guessing around 45.

Opossum · Jul 1, 2012

I say 54 characters. In other words, 50 slots, + Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon, Zero Suit Samus, and Sheik.

DakotaBonez · Jul 1, 2012

Although I would be totally cool with a roster of 8. The inclusion of Bandai Namco makes me think that they want to get as much help as possible to make this smash bros the biggest yet.
We might see them take it all the way up to 50. But I can't even think of that many nintendo characters.

FlareHabanero · Jul 1, 2012

Hypothetically speaking, it would be roughly around 50 characters.

Brawl's roster had 35 slots in the roster and 39 characters. Presuming we have 15 newcomers and 5 scrapped veterans, that would be about 45 slots and about 50 characters (including a newcomer with an alternative form). This is of course not counting the potential of DLC, but that's a different topic.

DilowcsNollsnn · Jul 1, 2012

I believe what will happen is basically a new column and a new row (making 50 in total, 49 not counting the "RANDOM" slot) so most likely when adding in ZSS, Sheik, and Pokemon Trainer's 3 pokemon that is 53 characters in total.

Slim_X · Jul 1, 2012

50

I read somewhere Sakurai intended it to be 50.

volbound1700 · Jul 1, 2012

Ok thanks, I am worried we are going to get shorted. I do think Mewtwo and Roy at least should be brought back.

BKupa666 · Jul 1, 2012

I expect 46 slots...counting transformations, which Sakurai does, that adds up to a total of 50.

JPW · Jul 1, 2012

For me 48 sounds like the one popping into my head.

Mario & Sonic Guy · Jul 1, 2012

I'd say about the 45-55 range, if transformations are not applied to the calculation.

Yomi's Biggest Fan · Jul 1, 2012

50 slots including the random box..

Pachinkosam · Jul 1, 2012

65 character

Frostwraith · Jul 1, 2012

around 50, giving Brawl's 35 (39 counting transformations), it's likely we get close to 50 or surpass it by 1 to 5 characters.

gothrax · Jul 1, 2012

50 is about what im expecting..... but wouldn't it just be so awesome if they got 64 *v*

DakotaBonez · Jul 1, 2012

Okay so the majority says 50. Discussion closed.
Jk I want 372 characters!

Jeffbelittle · Jul 1, 2012

I honestly hope the MINIMUM is about 50. I know we should, could, and would LOVE to have more.

Capcom has had plenty of experience helping the balance of a plethora of characters at once.

Regardless: no matter how many there are, there will always exist a tier list and little incentive to go below the maybe 15th character in any tier list.

My hope would be around 62

Kink-Link5 · Jul 1, 2012

xXxsNiPeRbOyxXx said:
Brawl had 35 so I'm guessing around 45.

If you don't count Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser, or any other group of four characters, then yes, Brawl had 35 characters.

Being generous, I'd say they would add 6 characters, bringing us up to 45, or 37 by snipper's logic.

Jeffbelittle · Jul 1, 2012

Kink-Link5 said:
If you don't count Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser, or any other group of four characters, then yes, Brawl had 35 characters.

Being generous, I'd say they would add 6 characters, bringing us up to 45, or 37 by snipper's logic.

But I don't get WHY.

In Brawl, if you removed:

Ganondorf, Jigglypuff, Link, Captain Falcon, Samus, Zelda, Bowser, Mario, and Lucas or 9 of what? 39 characters. AKA a little under 1/4 of the entire cast. You STILL wouldn't effect one major tournament.

Fighting games are always dominated by the absolute top tier, and middle tier to a lesser degree. Whether you have 12 characters and only 4 tournament viable ones or 35 characters and 8 viable ones: the top always matters most. So why not exponentially expand?

I'd rather have 100 Super Smash Brother characters with 25 tournament viable choices, 20 okay choices, and 55 **** tier characters that covers a bunch of different game characters that we'd love to see than 50 characters, 15 of them tourny ready, 5 more viable, and 30 mleh.

Onyx Oblivian · Jul 1, 2012

The all-around number thrown around is ~50. Very realistic.

My guess

hope

is 64.

That's VERY easy to fill up without starting to need obscure/a lot of 3rd party characters.

My personal roster is 64.

(As an ode to the Nintendo 64! The series debut!)

volbound1700 · Jul 1, 2012

Is there a link to the statement where Sakurai says 50? I can believe it but I am just curious to see the link.

Kink-Link5 · Jul 1, 2012

Jeffbelittle said:
nonsensical, irrelevant gibberish about tiers for some reason

If you removed Metaknight, Falco, Marth, and Lucario, there would be 35 characters in Brawl.

Jeffbelittle · Jul 1, 2012

Kink-Link5 said:
If you removed Metaknight, Falco, Marth, and Lucario, there would be 35 characters in Brawl.

What about all that was Nonsensical. Stop being condescending.

There were 39 character in SSBB.

Of those 39 Characters, arguably only about half the cast had real showing in any major tournament.

Which means: expanding to greater numbers, so long as there aren't anyone grossly overpowered, wouldn't ruin Tournament balance.

Which is why I extended my point and said I would rather have 100 SSB4 Characters, and only 20% of them be Tournament viable than have 50 with maybe 17 characters viable.

Robert of Normandy · Jul 1, 2012

What? No "OVER 9000" joke yet? Internet, I am dissapoint.

In all seriousness, though, 50-60 sounds about right.

Jeffbelittle · Jul 1, 2012

shinpichu said:
What? No "OVER 9000" joke yet? Internet, I am dissapoint.

In all seriousness, though, 50-60 sounds about right.

WHAT 9000?!?! There's no way that could be balanced!!!... COULD IT?!?!

Kink-Link5 · Jul 1, 2012

Jeffbelittle said:
There were 39 character in SSBB.

Of those 39 Characters, arguably only about half the cast had real showing in any major tournament.

Which means: expanding to greater numbers, so long as there aren't anyone grossly overpowered, wouldn't ruin Tournament balance.

Which is why I extended my point and said I would rather have 100 SSB4 Characters, and only 20% of them be Tournament viable than have 50 with maybe 17 characters viable.

Then I'll just assume you meant to quote someone else. You quoted my post, about there being 39 characters, not 35, about some irrelevant things that have nothing to do with how many characters are in the game.

I apologise if it seems like I have no idea wtf you're talking about, but you seem to be arguing facts with me when I never even started an argument about those facts in the first place. Like yeah, I would also like a lot of characters...?? What does that have anything to do with what I said?

Kink-Link5 said:
If you don't count Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser, or any other group of four characters, then yes, Brawl had 35 characters.

Being generous, I'd say they would add 6 characters, bringing us up to 45, or 37 by snipper's logic.

I never even mention balance anywhere in my post.

Jeffbelittle · Jul 1, 2012

^

Being generous, I'd say they would add 6 characters, bringing us up to 45, or 37 by snipper's logic.

This is what I "didn't get why" about. I didn't get why were settling with around 45 characters, and then I added my feelings towards the numbers.

Not contradicting, not arguing, I'm adding and questioning.

Kink-Link5 · Jul 1, 2012

45 characters has nothing to do with balance, it has to do with expectations.

Smash 64 added 12 characters
Melee added 14 or 13 by snipper logic
Brawl added 16 or 13 by snipper logic, and removed 5, bringing the roster up by 13, or 10 by snipper logic.

Like, following the trend, I could see getting the roster up by 12, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it without the game being released past 2017 (Which I would be fine with if it isn't horrible).

Jeffbelittle · Jul 1, 2012

Kink-Link5 said:
45 characters has nothing to do with balance, it has to do with expectations.

Okay I'm going to try to be super super clear like I was in the last thread :v

One expects the number of SSB4 characters based on certain criteria. Balance is one of them. Time is another. While we extrapolated that only 45 characters because of past trends in adding characters, I believe we should shift our expectations to greater numbers given new circumstances. Namely, who's involved in making this game this time around.

Kink-Link5 · Jul 1, 2012

It just seems like you have this personal beef with me and think I don't want more characters when that is nowhere near the case colon v.

Jeffbelittle · Jul 1, 2012

Kink-Link5 said:
It just seems like you have this personal beef with me and think I don't want more characters when that is nowhere near the case colon v.

I don't have any beef with you. It's just frustrating for me that were have such large miscommunication when I pride myself on great writing =c

Kink-Link5 · Jul 1, 2012

Well lets change subject then, onto the 3DS title. I imagine a 26 character roster, the same size as Melee's but with different characters, would work well. I'd say most should be veterans, but that it shouldn't be without newcomers, especially to emphasise the idea that the 3DS version could be about "Smashing with your favourite characters, ON THE GO!"

And I'm also a pretty vocal supporter of 3DS "exclusive" characters, that could be unlocked in the WiiU game by synching the two together- that is to say, the characters are on the WiiU game, but are unlocked solely through the connectivity.

Oasis_S · Jul 1, 2012

^ Poor guy.

I think the number I keep coming to is 53 including transformations.

Holder of the Heel · Jul 1, 2012

Hey, we might not get many, Sakurai was saying what we have now is apparently the highest he can go while having everything balanced and distinct.

BKupa666 · Jul 1, 2012

Some guy on Gamefaqs actually analyzed that quote. He interpreted "what we have now being the highest he can go" as Sakurai referring to the currently planned SSB4 roster, rather than Brawl's roster of 39.

Jeffbelittle · Jul 1, 2012

BKupa666 said:
Some guy on Gamefaqs actually analyzed that quote. He interpreted "what we have now being the highest he can go" as Sakurai referring to the currently planned SSB4 roster, rather than Brawl's roster of 39.

Could we get some sources up in here please?

Holder of the Heel · Jul 1, 2012

Oh, well if that is true, I sincerely apologize.

Tollhouse · Jul 1, 2012

BKupa666 said:
Some guy on Gamefaqs actually analyzed that quote. He interpreted "what we have now being the highest he can go" as Sakurai referring to the currently planned SSB4 roster, rather than Brawl's roster of 39.

That guy may have wasted his time as there could be a translation issue in that quote as it doesn't read very clearly.

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