(」・ω・)」 MARS la Marf in Smash 4 (／・ω・)／

[Megavitamins]

I picked up ZSS after Apex

 

[Reizilla]

Ohshi. I'm ********. haha!

Good stuff either way XD

 

[mikeHAZE]

DS is still our fastest option OoS though and it has considerable knockback. From the front, its marths only kill move OoS besides Usmash, which is a hell of a lot slower. Nair OoS works spectacularly if you shield a rising aerial, though.

From the back though, the best options are easily DB, bair, and reverse DS.

downsmash is extremely good. (also a front kill move lol)

 

[Remzi]

downsmash is extremely good. (also a front kill move lol)

very true, i forgot about that. thats what, 13 frames OoS?

A good kill option if you aren't near the edge of the stage. or if they are like so close to you that the knockback is horizontal.

 

[Raziek]

D-Smash OoS is mad sexy, I tend to over-use it a bit though.

 

[Reizilla]

I thought Dsmash was 6 frames? Where do I get my frame data from that it's always wrong? XD

 

[Shaya]

7 frames for shield drop you noob.

 

[DC.Eden]

I thought Dsmash was 6 frames? Where do I get my frame data from that it's always wrong? XD

Dsmash is 6 frames

But shield drop is like 7 frames.


Oh i got ninja'd

 

[Reizilla]

I need new eyes. I read "15".

 

[lilseph]

Can you punish MK's dsmash if you Dsmash Oos?

 

[Shaya]

dude you can like shield drop to fsmash himmmmmmmm.

 

[Reizilla]

Tipper down smash punish of MK's dsmash 2gud.

Also:



Electrode, Diglett, Nidoran (male), Mankey, Venusaur, Rattata, Fearow, Pidgey, Seaking , Jolteon, Dragonite, Gastly, Ponyta, Vaporeon, Poliwrath, Butterfree Venomoth, Poliwag, Nidorino, Golduck, Ivysaur, Grimer, Victreebel, Moltres, Nidoking , Farfetch'd, Abra, Jigglypuff, Kingler, Rhyhorn, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Zubat, Primeape, Meowth, Onix, Geodude, Rapidash, Magneton, Snorlax, Gengar, Tangela, Goldeen, Spearow, Weezing, Seel, Gyarados, Slowbro, Kabuto, Persian, Paras, Horsea, Raticate, Magnemite, Kadabra, Weepinbell, Ditto, Cloyster, Caterpie, Sandshrew, Bulbasaur, Charmander, Golem, Pikachu, Alakazam, Doduo, Venonat, Machoke, Kangaskhan, Hypno, Electabuzz, Flareon, Blastoise, Poliwhirl, Oddish, Drowzee, Raichu, Nidoqueen, Bellsprout, Starmie, Metapod, Marowak, Kakuna, Clefairy, Dodrio, Seadra, Vileplume, Krabby, Lickitung, Tauros, Weedle, Nidoran (female), Machop, Shellder, Porygon, Hitmonchan, Articuno, Jynx, Nidorina, Beedrill, Haunter, Squirtle, Chansey, Pokemon! Parasect, Exeggcute, Muk, Dewgong, Pidgeotto, Lapras, Vulpix, Rhydon Charizard, Machamp, Pinsir, Koffing, Dugtrio, Golbat, Staryu, Magikarp, Ninetales, Ekans, Omastar, Scyther, Tentacool, Dragonair, Magmar, Sandslash, Hitmonlee, Psyduck, Arcanine, Eevee, Exeggcutor, Kabutops, Zapdos, Dratini, Growlithe, Mr. Mime, Cubone, Graveler, Voltorb, Gloom, Charmeleon, Wartortle, Mewtwo, Tentacruel, Aerodactyl, Omanyte, Slowpoke, Pidgeot, Arbok!!

Mew!

 

[Albert.]

Is that the Pokemon rap?

I REALLY hope that's the pokemon rap cause I read those first two lines in rhythm

 

[Shaya]

No it isn't.

Mew doesn't show up in the rap, ****it


Also,
Charmeleon, Wartortle, Mewtwo, Tentacruel, Aerodactyl, Omanyte, Slowpoke, Pidgeot, Arbok!! was at least a "part" that I remembered... lol

I remember when I was in year 6 (so I was like... 11?) being able to list all 151 pokemon in order.
Dear god

 

[Espy Rose]

I remember several hiccups when you watch the actual video of the Pokerap.
Such as showing Poliwag when it meant Poliwrath, or showing Geodude when they say Graveler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlw1FpOCEfo

LOL, they even mispelled Lickitung.

 

[Reizilla]

Wow, I never noticed those, Espy XD

I added in Mew because I didn't want him to feel left out

I remember naming them all in order too. I was kool. I'm gonna remake this and add all the Pokemon now. Gotta hurry up before 5th gen release XD

 

[clowsui]

If MK accidentally jabs you as soon as you hear the sound just mash down on the cstick, you'll always either hit him with the horizontal hitbox or the tipper of DSmash...too good. If you shield ftilt 3 the optimal punish near the edge of the stage is dsmash, hits him every time if you angled your shield to reduce the shield pushback. Near the center of the stage DB is probably a good idea to move him/yourself towards the edge.

By the way, mikehaze (namesearch bait in case he doesn't actually look back at this thread), what's so bad about Dtilt vs. MK?

 

[Reizilla]

How do you angle your shield to reduce knockback?

 

[Raziek]

If MK accidentally jabs you as soon as you hear the sound just mash down on the cstick, you'll always either hit him with the horizontal hitbox or the tipper of DSmash...too good. If you shield ftilt 3 the optimal punish near the edge of the stage is dsmash, hits him every time if you angled your shield to reduce the shield pushback. Near the center of the stage DB is probably a good idea to move him/yourself towards the edge.

By the way, mikehaze (namesearch bait in case he doesn't actually look back at this thread), what's so bad about Dtilt vs. MK?

My guess would be that if he Powershields it, you might eat a D-Smash before you can adequately alter your DI. At least, I've had that happen before.

 

[Blacknight99923]

My guess would be that if he Powershields it, you might eat a D-Smash before you can adequately alter your DI. At least, I've had that happen before.

its actually guaranteed

actually if you buffer every move is guaranteed on Ftilt 3 on block


assuming of course your in range to hit

 

[MintyFlesh]

the only thing d-tilt really beats against mk i think is if they dash at you, and side-b can beat that with alot less commitment, and it looks safer because they usually overshield thinking you're gonna keep hitting

 

[Seagull Joe]

I picked up Marth for Pikachu, Lucas, Falco, and Wario.

 

[clowsui]

but if you think about dtilt it naturally conditions them in the optimal grab range

like all your mixup is at the range of dtilt - sh ff nair, sh fair/sh ff fair, db, walking grab

so by using dtilt you essentially add another option for them to guess about at that range...one more option is scary powerful especially in a game that relies so much on isolated guessing situations for momentum

rather than frame safety, in this case i'm much more concerned about the psychological advantage. ofc you're not always going to dtilt, but i really think it's a very useful tool

furthermore at max range i think dtilt beats ftilt, and always beats dash grab from the MK. a lot of MKs purposefully over/undercommit to bait you into doing stuff and confusing your own ranges so that they get more grab/tilt opportunities. the thing that it doesn't beat is shield, nado, a very slightly overcommited ftilt and a perfectly spaced dtilt from the MK, but options one and two are stuff that you should be baiting from MK at that range so that opportunities open up for you

 

[Shaya]

dtilt can beat an ftilt whiff from MK, but MK's ftilt does outrange it.

 

[Saki-]

I think I'll just stop using jab and ftilt against Metaknight it really ends up hurting a lot more than most options.

 

[Reizilla]

What if, when we all turned on our Pokemon Black/White versions, we got Rick Roll'd?

 

[Duskshadow]

What if, when we all turned on our Pokemon Black/White versions, we got Rick Roll'd?

Do not give them any ideas.

 

[Sake-Hato]

Getting rick rolled seems kinda played out by now right? =/

 

[Reizilla]

It would kill Rick Roll because no one could ever top it.

 

[**Havok**]

Hey guys, I'm trying to give something back to the community!

Take a look at my blog!

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=)

 

[tibs7]

Luke posted this in the aus boards.
You're a champ.

 

[∫unk]

any beer experts in here? i need recommendations

just wanted an excuse to post the picture

 

[clowsui]

Hey could somebody like address my point about dtilt? I feel as though it's a legitimate question LOL

Mikehaze, NEO, I'm lookin' at you guysssss

 

[Shaya]

The main issue is really the start up time.
By the time you have hit confirm (or whiff confirm) you're not exactly in a better position, especially on the whiff confirm.

Like, marth's dtilt has 7 frames start up, but you are crouching from frame 1; people are aware of what you're most likely doing (but it does open up some "silly" mix ups in terms of crouching/etc) and it isn't exactly hard for anyone with a good dash mechanic (MK, diddy, falco, snake, .... ) to just be all lol over that.

it ***** bad characters severely though.
AND if you actually HIT SOMEONES SHIELD at a safe distance with it, then you are at a surprisingly good position (this is true against all the characters listed above, btw)

The other problem is that if someone does sliding shield.... prone to shield grabbing.
And the move is -9 on shields. It isn't avoiding SGs at all.

Metagame thread question thoughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[En.Ee.Oh]

any beer experts in here? i need recommendations

just wanted an excuse to post the picture

i recommend the double jugs on the lower right


AHAHAHAAHAHAHA

 

[Shaya]

i recommend the double jugs on the lower right


AHAHAHAAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAAHAHAHA
8.727 point infraction for major inappropriate content.
Adding the word "double" wasn't classy and added nothing to the joke imo.

(or mad jealousy because I was going to make a similar joke but was all like "oh that moderator thing").

 

[Raziek]

I considered it, but decided there wasn't really a way to make it work completely.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I'm picking up marth. See me around more often.

Let me just say that Shaya's avatar and bearing on SWF really does fit that classical student council feel.

 

[Pr0phetic]

I'm back guys; sorry for the inconvenience lol, serious break from Brawl.

 

[Jaedrik]

Picking up Marth is fun, he usually glares at you with your Ford at his castle =_=
Hay, it's what horses eat. Who completely ignores the lore that he and sheeda (SP?) are together and makes a fanfic with him and Zelda here? *raises hand* crap...