3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI

[HitokiriBattousai]

loss of vertical vectoring was a huge nerf to Lucario. He's much worse in many matchups now, because his own vertical KO power isn't that impressive, but he dies much earlier off the top

as a Lucario main i can agree with this it is much harder to stay alive with high % now which hurt Lucario overall

 

[Tagxy]

I dont think they banned customs, but I think its too hard to really make an accurate tier list so soon with them

 

[SonicZeroX]

I've never seen the Japanese players use custom moves

Oh hey Olimar isn't bottom, maybe Japan knows something about him.

Zelda really shouldn't be that low, so that leaves the worst character to be Kirby...

...AGAIN

 

[Zorrioh]

I've never seen the Japanese players use custom moves

Oh hey Olimar isn't bottom, maybe Japan knows something about him.

Zelda really shouldn't be that low, so that leaves the worst character to be Kirby...

...AGAIN

WHY does Kirby have to be on the bottom?! I wanted to main him so bad but after seeing he got no buffs here I'm losing all hope...

 

[SonicZeroX]

WHY does Kirby have to be on the bottom?! I wanted to main him so bad but after seeing he got no buffs here I'm losing all hope...

I'm sure this won't be the only patch, and if Kirby is clearly the worst now then he will definitely be the first to get buffed.

 

[Captain Norris]

If Falcon just got a few landing lag frames cut from his dair and fair, he could be A tier imo. But hey, I am not complaining. At least he wasn't really nerfed.

 

[SonicZeroX]

If you really wanna buff Falcon make dthrow to knee a true combo at mid/high percents. Then he'd be SS tier

 

[Tagxy]

WHY does Kirby have to be on the bottom?! I wanted to main him so bad but after seeing he got no buffs here I'm losing all hope...

I wouldnt lose hope just yet regardless, like I mentioned the tier list isnt definitive and the game is still early.

 

[SonicZeroX]

It's ok they buffed zeldas utilt this will save her

Except they actually NERFED Zelda by cutting her pivot grab range

 

[Kofu]

@ ItsRainingGravy what do you mean that a lot of Villager's moves are articles (in reference to your lost a few pages back)? I glanced at the mined data and noticed that Villager's FSmash didn't have a release frame, and wondered if it was related. Are articles projectiles, items, or something different?

 

[Generically Epic]

Guys, I just realized something... The 3DS version was a glorified beta test for the Wii U version that we paid to be a part of...

 

[Terotrous]

Guys, I just realized something... The 3DS version was a glorified beta test for the Wii U version that we paid to be a part of...

A glorified beta test, smash run, and a $40 voucher for a soundtrack CD and Mewtwo. To be fair, we pretty much knew this going in.

 

[Captain Norris]

Shulk is pretty annoying now.

 

[Zorrioh]

I'm sure this won't be the only patch, and if Kirby is clearly the worst now then he will definitely be the first to get buffed.

I hope so. For some reason when I play Kirby, the way he feels just seems powerful like he's actually good.. but he's just not. Oh well guess I'll keep crossing my fingers until the next patch.

I wouldnt lose hope just yet regardless, like I mentioned the tier list isnt definitive and the game is still early.

That's true, and perhaps whatever I see in him will turn out to be something decent someone discovers later on, but it still drives me crazy not to see my dude Kirby succeed. xD

 

[Chakra-X]

I think some people are severely underestimating the ability to play Smash out of their pocket. That is huge to me, I just hope they update it to have more functionality with the Wii U version (why trophies and custom moves can't constantly be uploaded is beyond me).When you used your money to purchase that $40+tax video game for a portable system, knowing that you would pay another $60+tax for a game that would knowingly be superior in terms of content, I do not know what was to be expected. The only thing I could hope for was for more connectivity. I would love to grind for gear, moves, and trophies when I am waiting on a train, then just transfer it to my Wii U version.

 

[Generically Epic]

Why didn't the characters that needed buffs get them? DK needs something, his brawl form was better.
Also, the removal of DACUS worries me. It's like they want their game to be boring and die off quickly.

 

[Terotrous]

I think some people are severely underestimating the ability to play Smash out of their pocket.

Oh sure, I can't claim I didn't get good value out of it (played like 70+ hours already), though I don't think this is the kind of game I'd usually want to play if I'm traveling or something (and if I'm at home, I can just play the Wii U version).

 

[Aunt Jemima]

Kirby isn't the worst character in the game, lol.

 

[ItsRainingGravy]

@ ItsRainingGravy what do you mean that a lot of Villager's moves are articles (in reference to your lost a few pages back)? I glanced at the mined data and noticed that Villager's FSmash didn't have a release frame, and wondered if it was related. Are articles projectiles, items, or something different?

Thinkaman actually wrote that, not me. lol

But yeah. Articles are pretty much projectiles/disjointed hitboxes. At least to my understanding anyways. Someone else can probably explain it better though.

 

[Lavani]

Except they actually NERFED Zelda by cutting her pivot grab range

Tears were shed, truly.

 

[Judo777]

The biggest problem with it being based off feedback from whiny players, is simply that the patch has been done for FAR too long, to be based on such things (as in, this patch has been done by at least the beginning of October, before the US 3DS version even came out)

And to my understanding, the Japanese community has much different views than some whiny US players do.

TL;DR: Its more than likely not based on whining of any kind, merely Nintendo thinking certain people were too strong

Thats not to say I agree with Mac's aerial side B getting nerfed (no, he didn't need that, the jab nerf was definitely needed though; the only other person in the game who can do 20% with a jab combo is Shulk, in hyper buster mode which only lasts for 6 seconds, and has a 10 second cooldown after it ends)

The only other nerf he got besides the aerial side B thing, was his jab.

But people are the same. Scrubs in Japan will whine about the same things that American players do. The views at higher levels has in the past been somewhat different, but these were not high level decisions. Like I said, there is NO WAY it wasn't based off feedback from bad players (probably Japanese but still).

 

[Shaya]

Please stop the tier list speculah, I brought up those lists for the "what sakurai was potentially looking at" factor, not the validity/accuracy of them, kthx.

 

[SonicZeroX]

Tears were shed, truly.

Okay to be perfectly fair it was pretty silly before.

 

[deathofaninja]

Thanks for the patch notes, guys! I'm surprised Nintendo doesn't offer these.

 

[Myougi]

This probably needs more testing, but from what I can tell I can no longer dash grab and use my momentum to 'pull' characters off the side. It seems that characters in grab now stop their momentum when they are on the edge.

I tested this with Falcon since he's who I saw the technique with first. On another note with Falcon I think they may have changed a few of his voice clips.

 

[SonicZeroX]

This probably needs more testing, but from what I can tell I can no longer dash grab and use my momentum to 'pull' characters off the side. It seems that characters in grab now stop their momentum when they are on the edge.

I tested this with Falcon since he's who I saw the technique with first. On another note with Falcon I think they may have changed a few of his voice clips.

You can definitely still do the grab thing.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Yes I am changing the op when I get the chance.

Getting a haircut and then reformatting the entire thing, fixing small errors and swapping the values we think are bkb to kbg

Can you also add in the key what bkg and kbg are? Because I don't even

 

[KuroganeHammer]

starting OP overhaul in 10 mins

 

[Attila_]

Can I ask what 'Z position' refers to?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

@ Attila_

basically it refers to a hitboxes position on a plane axis like this

z position is actually further into the background ('im fairly certain) while y is up and x is across, so the hitbox of falco's fair hasn't really changed

Remember dedede spotdodge in brawl? he went so far into the z-axis that you couldn't hit him out of it even during frames he was meant to be vulnerable, similar sort of positioning happening here

sorry for the ****ty explaination I'm working on the op atm >.<

 

[SonicZeroX]

For some reason Hydrant -> Bair still works in the Wii U version. Maybe not all of the changes on the 3DS are in the Wii U version yet?

 

[LancerStaff]

I think this might be the most recent Japanese tier list.

...How in the world are Marth and Lucina right next to each other, and Pit and Dark Pit more then a tier appart? Three moves and a Final Smash, guys.

For some reason Hydrant -> Bair still works in the Wii U version. Maybe not all of the changes on the 3DS are in the Wii U version yet?

I heard the Wii U version is still on .3 for some reason. Blarg, what a mess.

 

[SonicZeroX]

There are definitely some 1.0.4 changes in it though like the Luma nerf.

 

[NT 3000]

This has probably already been asked but does anyone have the slightest idea when the wii U version will get 1.04? It's still at 1.03...

 

[icraq]

Was Rosalina's down-b glitch vs DHD fixed where it froze the can/discus in place and prevented DHD from using the attack again? I don't think anyone figured out how to replicate that, but I could be wrong

 

[Attila_]

@ Attila_

basically it refers to a hitboxes position on a plane axis like this

z position is actually further into the background ('im fairly certain) while y is up and x is across, so the hitbox of falco's fair hasn't really changed

Remember dedede spotdodge in brawl? he went so far into the z-axis that you couldn't hit him out of it even during frames he was meant to be vulnerable, similar sort of positioning happening here

sorry for the ****ty explaination I'm working on the op atm >.<

So how does this relate to falco's fair?

 

[Hero-King Marth]

FALCO
FAIR LANDING HITBOX

DAMAGE : 2% ⇒ 5%
Z-POSITION : 11.0 ⇒ 12.0​

LASER

PEW PEW : While grounded Falco shoots lasers faster

Whats Z-Position and how does it affect Falco?​

 

[KuroganeHammer]

So how does this relate to falco's fair?

basically it's in the foreground a bit more. may possibly change the hitbox size by a very small amount

i might reword it to be less confusing

 

[bowz]

Peach can no longer cancel her down tilt on hit.

 

[GreenFlame]

So, is it finally fine for me to update? I mean, surely Thinkaman and the other people who have 1.0.3 and 1.0.4 can take care of it? Plus datamining?

The thing is, I'd really like to play Online etc. but I've been hesitant to update because I wanted to help look for changes. Am I still needed for this?