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A better 'Super Armor List' Thread (4/30, 18:07 EST)
- Thread starter NoVaLombardia
- Start date
Al_Di_Medola
Smash Journeyman
Warios bike has super armor at the very end of the "get on bike" animation.
its not at the begging of the animation, but just before you can actually start moving.
its not at the begging of the animation, but just before you can actually start moving.
whopper_no_onion
Smash Cadet
*pulls thread from grave*
So does DK really have SA on his Fair? I main DK, and I might have seen SA on it, but I'm not sure.
So does DK really have SA on his Fair? I main DK, and I might have seen SA on it, but I'm not sure.
I'm not sure about DK's fair. Just picked him up. I haven't run across this scenario yet.
However as for DDD I have seen this one numerous times while playing:
* Neutral-B, right before he sucks you in, by Mew2King
I have even been hit by another character (not the one being sucked in) during the animation time. So if by SA's definition that a character takes damage but without knockback, then yes this is SA.
However as for DDD I have seen this one numerous times while playing:
* Neutral-B, right before he sucks you in, by Mew2King
I have even been hit by another character (not the one being sucked in) during the animation time. So if by SA's definition that a character takes damage but without knockback, then yes this is SA.
theEffinBear
Smash Apprentice
Every grab in the game gets a single frame of Super Armor if (and ONLY if) the grab connects. This frame of Super Armor does not occur if the grab whiffs. Kirby and Dedede's neutral-B's are both grabs, so they get that single frame of Super Armor on the very frame that the "grab" hitboxes intersect with the victim's hurtboxes. Grabs by themselves don't have Super Armor; only a successful grab does (hence why some say that grabs alone don't have "true" Super Armor).
Typically you will see the Super Armor frame on Kirby or Dedede's successful neutral-B because your victim hits you as they get grabbed and enter your mouth, but sometimes someone else will hit you on that exact frame instead. In the OP, this phenomenon is discussed right at the top of section "4. CONFIRMED" (the part you quoted, iEatPikmin).
Alas, it seems that NoVaLombardia has disappeared from this thread to update the OP with new findings.
Le sigh,
/RtEB
Typically you will see the Super Armor frame on Kirby or Dedede's successful neutral-B because your victim hits you as they get grabbed and enter your mouth, but sometimes someone else will hit you on that exact frame instead. In the OP, this phenomenon is discussed right at the top of section "4. CONFIRMED" (the part you quoted, iEatPikmin).
Alas, it seems that NoVaLombardia has disappeared from this thread to update the OP with new findings.
Le sigh,
/RtEB
zippo074
Smash Cadet
I've seen pikachu's Fsmash have SA priorities..
JCMR-Brawler64
Smash Apprentice
A super armor can avoid the Dragoon attack.
Chis
Finally a legend
Sonic's Up B, side B and Up smash have SA frames.
NoVaLombardia
Smash Journeyman
if you can get more input about sonic ill post it up
sorry i haven't updated in awhile, im really busy at school, doesn't seem that much to update though.
I'm still looking for more frame testers, but more importantly im still looking for someone to test the grab SA frame video that i linked that has the 3 people, only reverse it so that the person grabbed is getting hit by laz0rz first.
As for the charizard thing, maybe i'll retest it eventually, it was my very first test and it could've been me trying to get used to my process first. But, i'm pretty sure i did it with his back facing the attack like i did with all my tests.
But, in the brawl engine, you don't need fancy equipment. Figure out 60 frames in 1 second and divide it, thats how many seconds for 1 frame. All you have to do is just hit the pause button really fast.
Use a wii-mote and a gamecube controller, or 2 wii-motes, but don't use 2 gamecube controllers. Reason being, 2 GC controllers seem to lag in between the pauses for some reason. When you pause with controller 1, you unpause and re-pause with controller 2, in order to get accurate frame-by frame results. It takes a little bit of getting used to the timing, but once you do its a adequate method since brawl does not have down-time before being able to pause again, like melee did.
Oh, and curious, whats the goal of the Armor Project... other than snake's weird type of armor.
I wonder if all super armor is actually armor and youll get flinched depending on the power of the attack, because i swear ive been broken out of ike's up-b before during the SA frames, usually only by ganon's stomp though.
sorry i haven't updated in awhile, im really busy at school, doesn't seem that much to update though.
I'm still looking for more frame testers, but more importantly im still looking for someone to test the grab SA frame video that i linked that has the 3 people, only reverse it so that the person grabbed is getting hit by laz0rz first.
As for the charizard thing, maybe i'll retest it eventually, it was my very first test and it could've been me trying to get used to my process first. But, i'm pretty sure i did it with his back facing the attack like i did with all my tests.
But, in the brawl engine, you don't need fancy equipment. Figure out 60 frames in 1 second and divide it, thats how many seconds for 1 frame. All you have to do is just hit the pause button really fast.
Use a wii-mote and a gamecube controller, or 2 wii-motes, but don't use 2 gamecube controllers. Reason being, 2 GC controllers seem to lag in between the pauses for some reason. When you pause with controller 1, you unpause and re-pause with controller 2, in order to get accurate frame-by frame results. It takes a little bit of getting used to the timing, but once you do its a adequate method since brawl does not have down-time before being able to pause again, like melee did.
Oh, and curious, whats the goal of the Armor Project... other than snake's weird type of armor.
I wonder if all super armor is actually armor and youll get flinched depending on the power of the attack, because i swear ive been broken out of ike's up-b before during the SA frames, usually only by ganon's stomp though.
M15t3R E
Smash Master
There are also SA frames during Pikachu's thunder right when it connects with Pikachu.
Those are all invincibility frames, not super armor.
Ike's SA is hard to time though, and other SAs can eat through Marth's Final Smash.
RadicalDude
Smash Rookie
I always though Snake's BAir attack had SA frames. Every time I've ever used the move nothing can break through it.
Ugg
Smash Champion
No, it just lasts for a day.
Oh wow, just realized that the person before me just bumped a 1 1/2 month old thread. :|
RadicalDude
Smash Rookie
Heh, oh alright...
Edit: This thread has been dead for a month? Geez!
Well I guess you can test moves so many times until you admit the frames are all discovered.
Edit: This thread has been dead for a month? Geez!
Well I guess you can test moves so many times until you admit the frames are all discovered.
Sharky
Smash Master
Dead thread or not, it's still listed in the pinned directory threads, so here's a change that needs to be made:
Yoshi's double jump does NOT have Super Armor. It's different, and it's called Heavy Armor (same as it was in Melee.) Attacks can knock Yoshi back during the jump, provided that they would normally provide a certain amount of knockback. There was a thread a while back which had detailed data on this, but it's lost now, and there's way too many threads with those keywords in them to use the search function. If the Original Poster isn't updating this anymore, can a mod perhaps edit this in? Much appreciated. =)
Yoshi's double jump does NOT have Super Armor. It's different, and it's called Heavy Armor (same as it was in Melee.) Attacks can knock Yoshi back during the jump, provided that they would normally provide a certain amount of knockback. There was a thread a while back which had detailed data on this, but it's lost now, and there's way too many threads with those keywords in them to use the search function. If the Original Poster isn't updating this anymore, can a mod perhaps edit this in? Much appreciated. =)
danielkon369
Smash Apprentice
Falcos is decent!
CbGreiga
Smash Apprentice
Does Yoshi still have SA when he lays eggs?
OmegaXF
Smash Ace
This thread brung back memries.
smashkng
Smash Lord
Even in Super Armor frames you can still be grabbed. Super armor affects on Marth's Critical Hit butt not grab fs like great aether or galaxia darkness.
